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Title: Quartz tubes
Post by: T Shirt Farmer on November 28, 2016, 11:45:56 AM
Do Quartz tubes in a flash degrade over time?
Title: Re: Quartz tubes
Post by: 3Deep on November 28, 2016, 11:53:53 AM
Every tube I have replaced the tip's are broken and burn causing it to lose contact nothing wrong with bulb, but I willing to bet they could lose some heat intensity over time.
Title: Re: Quartz tubes
Post by: ebscreen on November 28, 2016, 12:34:31 PM
Do Quartz tubes in a flash degrade over time?


I've always wondered this. I don't know the answer. Same with computers. Aside from software causing issues
do the actual physical components of a motherboard degrade over time? it seems like they do.
Title: Re: Quartz tubes
Post by: blue moon on November 28, 2016, 12:52:51 PM
Do Quartz tubes in a flash degrade over time?


I've always wondered this. I don't know the answer. Same with computers. Aside from software causing issues
do the actual physical components of a motherboard degrade over time? it seems like they do.

If I am not mistaken, capacitors degrade over time, at least the cheaper ones. Inductors should be fine, resistors could if the components re cheap. Integrated circuits degrade with high heat, so it stands to reason that they can develop issues over time. One thing I know for certain is that the RAM can develop "whiskers" that can bridge across gaps and short it out. 'not sure on the time period though.

As far as quartz tubes, i would imagine that everything degrades (even the LEDs contrary to the popular belief), but the question is in what time frame?
If you are talking about MHM bulbs, there are two different kinds out there. The original Calmat are much more expensive and seem to be dimmer than what Hirsch found as a cheaper replacement. Supposedly the originals worked better .  .  .

pierre
Title: Re: Quartz tubes
Post by: T Shirt Farmer on November 28, 2016, 12:56:19 PM
Do Quartz tubes in a flash degrade over time?


I've always wondered this. I don't know the answer. Same with computers. Aside from software causing issues
do the actual physical components of a motherboard degrade over time? it seems like they do.

MSI is what I have

If I am not mistaken, capacitors degrade over time, at least the cheaper ones. Inductors should be fine, resistors could if the components re cheap. Integrated circuits degrade with high heat, so it stands to reason that they can develop issues over time. One thing I know for certain is that the RAM can develop "whiskers" that can bridge across gaps and short it out. 'not sure on the time period though.

As far as quartz tubes, i would imagine that everything degrades (even the LEDs contrary to the popular belief), but the question is in what time frame?
If you are talking about MHM bulbs, there are two different kinds out there. The original Calmat are much more expensive and seem to be dimmer than what Hirsch found as a cheaper replacement. Supposedly the originals worked better .  .  .

pierre
Title: Re: Quartz tubes
Post by: inkman996 on November 28, 2016, 01:17:59 PM
Do Quartz tubes in a flash degrade over time?


I've always wondered this. I don't know the answer. Same with computers. Aside from software causing issues
do the actual physical components of a motherboard degrade over time? it seems like they do.

If I am not mistaken, capacitors degrade over time, at least the cheaper ones. Inductors should be fine, resistors could if the components re cheap. Integrated circuits degrade with high heat, so it stands to reason that they can develop issues over time. One thing I know for certain is that the RAM can develop "whiskers" that can bridge across gaps and short it out. 'not sure on the time period though.

As far as quartz tubes, i would imagine that everything degrades (even the LEDs contrary to the popular belief), but the question is in what time frame?
If you are talking about MHM bulbs, there are two different kinds out there. The original Calmat are much more expensive and seem to be dimmer than what Hirsch found as a cheaper replacement. Supposedly the originals worked better .  .  .

pierre

Typically capacitors in a PC environment shouldn't experience excessive heat issue but years ago some capacitors were manufactured with flaws and were prone to swelling and blowing.

There is a lot of myth out there on the internet about soldering cracking from on/off stress and the usual remedy claimed by many is to reflow your soldered chips in toaster ovens. There is videos of people putting GPU's and mother boards in toaster ovens and getting pissed when the end result is worse than what they started with. Thing is manufacturers use lead free solder that has a high flow temp, chances of solder breaking down internally just from normal use is next to zero. The worse things for MB's and circuits is improper cooling for the chips and cigarette smoke. Also installing massive liquid cooled heat sinks and fans onto the MB's can cause cracks in the board which causes shorts.
Title: Re: Quartz tubes
Post by: mk162 on November 28, 2016, 02:10:04 PM
people putting motherboards in a toaster oven are probably the same ones that tried to drill out the headphone jack on the new iPhones.
Title: Re: Quartz tubes
Post by: Sbrem on November 28, 2016, 04:56:37 PM
people putting motherboards in a toaster oven are probably the same ones that tried to drill out the headphone jack on the new iPhones.

hahahahahahahahahahahaha!

Steve
Title: Re: Quartz tubes
Post by: Gilligan on November 28, 2016, 05:56:28 PM
Reflowing motherboard/laptops/Xbox is a real thing.

It can be done with ovens... Just need to be careful.

I've fixed a few dv5000 laptops that were notorious for poorly soldered gpu's.  I'd just wrap them in a blanket and let them overheat themselves.

They'd fire up and work like a champ after.  I've never had anyone call me back with a subsequent issue.


Guess it's a good think I'm an android guy. ;)
Title: Re: Quartz tubes
Post by: ScreenFoo on November 28, 2016, 07:43:02 PM
It was done with an oven the first time, now you tell me I can use my oven to fix the crappy job they did originally?   

BTW, if you decide to invest serious time into reflowing, you can get a hot air rework station for like fifty bucks...
I don't know how long the caps will last though.  :)
Title: Re: Quartz tubes
Post by: inkman996 on November 29, 2016, 12:52:37 AM
My girl friend is a component level repair person. She works under high powered microscopes and uses rework stations. Not saying  reflowing in an oven is not possible but more often than not you couldnt get the board hot enough to flow leaded solder and not also damage other components.

For fifty bucks and a hot air rework station you could fix just about anything if you have board schematics and access to needed parts. Plus they sell special heat tape to protect certain components from excess heat while working on them.
Title: Re: Quartz tubes
Post by: Gilligan on November 29, 2016, 02:55:36 AM
https://www.sparkfun.com/tutorials/59 (https://www.sparkfun.com/tutorials/59)
Title: Re: Quartz tubes
Post by: inkman996 on November 29, 2016, 08:56:56 AM
Or you can buy one of these, they only cost a few bucks

https://www.manncorp.com/rework-stations?keyword=bga%20rework%20system&gclid=CPGe4pyPztACFUpWDQodQzkKIA (https://www.manncorp.com/rework-stations?keyword=bga%20rework%20system&gclid=CPGe4pyPztACFUpWDQodQzkKIA)
Title: Re: Quartz tubes
Post by: 3Deep on November 29, 2016, 09:17:01 AM
LOL what does any of this have to do with quartz tubes ;D
Title: Re: Quartz tubes
Post by: Frog on November 29, 2016, 10:35:47 AM
LOL what does any of this have to do with quartz tubes ;D
We can thank eb for starting the tangent of other electrical components wearing out in time, and then their ensuing myths and fixes.
I've always marveled at how dynamic threads can be even without intentional hijacks.
Title: Re: Quartz tubes
Post by: Gilligan on November 29, 2016, 10:57:27 AM
I like the fact that Darryl is "complaining" (not really) about a thread hi-jack.

You are the master my friend. :p
Title: Re: Quartz tubes
Post by: ebscreen on November 29, 2016, 12:15:03 PM
If I had known it would lead to putting motherboards in the oven I wouldn't have opened my fool mouth.

I would hazard a guess that the nichrome elements themselves don't wear out, but only fail when resistance at whatever
point becomes too high and they burn out.

Quartz glass however may become less emissive over time/heating cycles. I could be completely wrong on that.

FWIW the Calmat bulbs that are $700 each are the jam. Way faster than any nichrome style. At the price of a new
flash to replace a set though the performance becomes questionable. Energy savings are probably significant however.


Do incandescent bulbs become dimmer over time?
Title: Re: Quartz tubes
Post by: 3Deep on November 29, 2016, 07:01:44 PM
When have I hijacked a thread? just point one out!!!!! :'(