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Artist => Stuff you've done already! - show it off => Topic started by: theMadArtist on December 09, 2016, 12:00:53 PM
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Could get no deposit from one of my best customers, who wanted "something like" this, requesting a 'sketch'....
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The only way I could handle this was by trying endless combinations of clip art shapes- and drawing a better skull!
It was rejected by his prospective client.
How would any of YOU have handled this; budget was only 200....
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laugh in their face?
No seriously...
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Bwahahahahahahahahahahaha! I SHULD have; but he wanted that client SO bad!
Mine ~
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Could get no deposit from one of my best customers, who wanted "something like" this, requesting a 'sketch'....
All you could (should) do is figure time, your hourly rate, and present those terms. Give in, and you are telling this guy exactly what he thinks you may be worth.
As for a deposit, hopefully you learned your lesson from getting stiffed previously, because when his prospective client refuses to pay him, it will go up the food chain.
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So, if any of you want this- it's vector- 2 color- you can have it with a donation!
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Could get no deposit from one of my best customers, who wanted "something like" this, requesting a 'sketch'....
All you could (should) do is figure time, your hourly rate, and present those terms. Give in, and you are telling this guy exactly what he thinks you may be worth.
As for a deposit, hopefully you learned your lesson from getting stiffed previously, because when his prospective client refuses to pay him, it will go up the food chain.
Had NO idea how much time it took!
Ignored your advice on this- and lost my shirt.
My pants, too!
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You do it to yourself.
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I used to take any job that paid me money, and figure it out afterwards. Most of the time i worked for pennies, or worse...for free. But I was desperate and needed to create to eat, and felt any work was better than no work.
Nowadays I do not even get out of bed without getting paid first, and if a client tries to see the art before paying, or gives me the bullsh*t line that they are going to sell 1000 of these, and pay after, I reject them. Right there and then. I would rather not work and not get paid...
I think its clear that these types of clients get rejected, and keep trying until they can take advantage of someone.
My regret in business is that I wasted my time with people like this, when I could have been focusing on clients with budgets, who knows that you get what you pay for.
Keep your chin up, and start rejecting these guys. It feels great.
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Too many customers think your art talent is a gift so they shouldn't be expected to pay for it.
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I used to take any job that paid me money, and figure it out afterwards. Most of the time i worked for pennies, or worse...for free. But I was desperate and needed to create to eat, and felt any work was better than no work.
Nowadays I do not even get out of bed without getting paid first, and if a client tries to see the art before paying, or gives me the bullsh*t line that they are going to sell 1000 of these, and pay after, I reject them. Right there and then. I would rather not work and not get paid...
I think its clear that these types of clients get rejected, and keep trying until they can take advantage of someone.
My regret in business is that I wasted my time with people like this, when I could have been focusing on clients with budgets, who knows that you get what you pay for.
Keep your chin up, and start rejecting these guys. It feels great.
agree 110%, feel the exact same way.... Too many paying customers out there to waste my efforts on deadbeats. I do not understand why you would ever perform a service in the hopes of getting the job? Compare that to other industries. Go to a restaurant and tell the chef you want a steak, if I like it, I'll buy from you. If not, I'll go elsewhere.. when he's done slapping you in the head, he'll hand you a bill.....Only on rare occasions would I draw something for a customer before we discuss numbers. and it has to be a returning customer.
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I used to take any job that paid me money, and figure it out afterwards. Most of the time i worked for pennies, or worse...for free. But I was desperate and needed to create to eat, and felt any work was better than no work.
Nowadays I do not even get out of bed without getting paid first, and if a client tries to see the art before paying, or gives me the bullsh*t line that they are going to sell 1000 of these, and pay after, I reject them. Right there and then. I would rather not work and not get paid...
I think its clear that these types of clients get rejected, and keep trying until they can take advantage of someone.
My regret in business is that I wasted my time with people like this, when I could have been focusing on clients with budgets, who knows that you get what you pay for.
Keep your chin up, and start rejecting these guys. It feels great.
Thank you, Homer!
That job FINALLY convinced me!
But-I have to whine to SOMEBODY! (Leer)
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https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=essNmNOrQto
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https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=essNmNOrQto
Very well said.
Murphy
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https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=essNmNOrQto
I am going to save this...absolutely spot on.
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Ha! 8) That was awesome. And spot on, right down to the parts about fee reductions & intellectual property.
I think every customer who deals with art & graphics, as well as custom goods, needs to see this. And more importantly, every designer needs to see this. I think the biggest reason that the problem persists is that designers & artists persist in doing stuff on spec, and undervaluing their work time. (And I've been very guilty of this in the past, only to wake up to the same realizations ffokazak mentioned.)
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Unfortunately, seeing this video, and/or even knowing how screwed up speculation jobs are, there are, apparently plenty of takers as it even spawned a cottage industry. As pointed out, in this old thread, it's perhaps a good fit for newbies looking for exposure, but not for established, career minded artists with a little pride.
http://www.theshirtboard.com/index.php/topic,3941.msg43306.html#msg43306 (http://www.theshirtboard.com/index.php/topic,3941.msg43306.html#msg43306)
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Loved that video.
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Loved that video.
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Well, you have to factor in 'Free' Trade- where artists in other countries do it for next to nothing....
Good ol' Mugger Sam!
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while back I had a dipsh--t from Ky wanted a pulling truck,his truck..I wanted the job, asked him for a deposit, he went off accusing me of not trusting him, and he was a christian respected in his community and I was accusing him of cheating me...LOL.. I did the job, he screwed me out of $75.00 and he did not get the vector.. there is one on every corner..
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That video is awesome. I love the Greek guy.
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This "*** of choice" concept came up around the inauguration with Marla and Tiffany apparently not wanting to pay for hair styling, but promising to write up the stylist in their tweets and other social media reports.
At the time, their supporters defended their actions saying that this is commonly how the rich and famous do things. I guess that's why they either stay rich, (or sometimes hide the fact that they're not)
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This "*** of choice" concept came up around the inauguration with Marla and Tiffany apparently not wanting to pay for hair styling, but promising to write up the stylist in their tweets and other social media reports.
At the time, their supporters defended their actions saying that this is commonly how the rich and famous do things. I guess that's why they either stay rich, (or sometimes hide the fact that they're not)
This happens A LOT. My dad used to handle the linen and towel account for the MN Vikings.(early 80's) There was a bulletin board in there with all kinds of free offers if you did an ad or endorsed a company. One of them was a free car. This is nothing new and probably only worse with the advent of social media.
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while back I had a dipsh--t from Ky wanted a pulling truck,his truck..I wanted the job, asked him for a deposit, he went off accusing me of not trusting him, and he was a christian respected in his community and I was accusing him of cheating me...LOL.. I did the job, he screwed me out of $75.00 and he did not get the vector.. there is one on every corner..
I've had a couple of small churches not pay. My answer for that one is, no Christian would ask me to work for free... (yes, I am one). Labels, you just can't trust them...
Steve
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When someone tells me they are a Christian, 8), now your deposit is 50% of your total ;D
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Turned this around just yesterday and must give credit to this topic as it instantly jumped into my head.
Guy came in associated with the local high school wanting to sell me an ad in the yearbook.
Told him I have been in business going on 16 years but I have never seen one order from the high school. But I told him if he would give me a free ad that I would seriously consider and major discount in my prices if I've got any activity from the ad. He said he understood thank me for my time tucked his portfolio into his arm and quietly walked out the door I guess it worked.
Mooseman
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When someone tells me they are a Christian, 8), now your deposit is 50% of your total ;D
The point being to me, is that if you have to say it, it's not that obvious? All jobs need a 50% deposit, we don't start art without a sales order for it, not to say I don't occasionally whip out a simple design for someone I know I can trust...
Steve