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screen printing => Non Textile => Topic started by: doorjamm on January 02, 2017, 05:13:51 PM
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Hello all, We're a startup company called DoorJamm...we have a product to keep secured doors and gates open.
It's made of natural gum rubber and we'd like to put some printing on it to do a few things for us. I've been unable to locate inks that will adhere to the natural gum rubber surface.
The printing will also need to do a few things:
1. Stay on the rubber product without peeling and still allow it to be stretched and wrapped around doors/gates.
2. Withstand physical abuse while placed on doors/gates, stored in pockets and all types of weather.
Thanks for your time and attention, I appreciate it!
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What about laser engraving?
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Well, my first suggestion would be to check with Nazdar, one of our longest running sponsors. They have inks for a lot of substrates.
https://www.nazdar.com/en-us/SCREEN-INKS (https://www.nazdar.com/en-us/SCREEN-INKS)
If they can't help, ask these folks about their 800 series
http://www.unionprocess.com/inks.html (http://www.unionprocess.com/inks.html)
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Thank you... I wrote to NAZDAR earlier today, waiting for their reply. Union Process already said they don't have anything in their lineup that will adhere.
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Crazy Mike, that's something I'm checking into also... The material is 1/16" thick and approx 40 durometer. Do you have any experience with engraving?
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We don't use a laser but I know you can laser a design on t-shirts among thousands of other items.
Also I think I have seen where you can use a laser to make rubber stamps.
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Perhaps similar as to how they imprint silicone wristbands
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Perhaps similar as to how they imprint silicone wristbands
Hi Frog, thanks for your replies! Yes, I'm interested in that approach, as long as the process doesn't make it prone to tearing.
The quest continues on laser forums too... ;)
Most screen print shops scratch their heads when it comes to printing on the natural gum rubber...
I did a trial with StazOn solvent based ink pad (the kind found in craft stores for stamping) and the ink rubs off...
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Well, the imprinting on silicone wristbands is essentially engraving, no added color as far as I know. (except ewhen thy cut through layered colored material.
As for screen printing, no, nothing from a craft store is going to work, hence the two industrial ink suggestions I posted. Nazdar may have a solvent based suggestion with some "bite". They will even test on your material if needed.
Union Process 800 rubber ink is made for adhesion to latex, probably more like balloons. Let's see of our resident balloon printer chimes in.
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My thought would be depending on the qty. product size/shape, pad printing may be the way to go also.
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If it's a flat surface look at screenprinting with a 2 part padprinting rubber ink with some retarder added to make it screenable. I do pucks all the time.
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If it's a flat surface look at screenprinting with a 2 part padprinting rubber ink with some retarder added to make it screenable. I do pucks all the time.
Thanks for all the tips so far! I know NOTHING about inks or printing, so when I read the replies about mixing this and that, I really don't even know how to decipher. :o However, I know a solution will make itself known if I keep asking the right people.
The product is essentially a flat, wide natural gum rubber strip (3" x 10") with a couple holes on either end of it.
the URL for my site is in my profile, but for convenience for those who wish to see the product and pictures of the practical applications, please see the pictures on http://www.instagram.com/doorjamm (http://www.instagram.com/doorjamm)
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As for screen printing, no, nothing from a craft store is going to work, hence the two industrial ink suggestions I posted. Nazdar may have a solvent based suggestion with some "bite". They will even test on your material if needed.
Union Process 800 rubber ink is made for adhesion to latex, probably more like balloons. Let's see of our resident balloon printer chimes in.
Thanks Frog, I asked Union Process directly about their inks for rubber, and explained my requirements...and specifically they told me their inks won't adhere to this type of rubber. You're right, their stuff is made for other types, like latex.
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I also have screen printed with pad printing ink if it is slightly reduced...
http://www.inkcups.com/printing-inks/screen-pad-printing-ink/sb/Default.aspx (http://www.inkcups.com/printing-inks/screen-pad-printing-ink/sb/Default.aspx)
This will stick to some products that NO other ink will adhere to.
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I also have screen printed with pad printing ink if it is slightly reduced...
[url]http://www.inkcups.com/printing-inks/screen-pad-printing-ink/sb/Default.aspx[/url] ([url]http://www.inkcups.com/printing-inks/screen-pad-printing-ink/sb/Default.aspx[/url])
This will stick to some products that NO other ink will adhere to.
Thank you Doug... I had already sent my product to InkCups for adhesion testing... got their results today: "Our test results failed. I do not have an ink that will work on your product. Sorry about that. I was hoping our SB would work but it failed miserably."
Also, NAZDAR replied too: "We do not have anything for printing on this type of material. You may want to contact Union Process for information..."
...and Union Process already told me: "I am sorry to say that our ink will not adhere to your gum rubber."
I mean no disrespect to InkCups, NAZDAR, Union Process at all by mentioning them in these posts...it's simply incompatibility with the material...
...and I consulted a laser engraver operator who told me: "It would burn/melt the rubber making it weaker and I don't think would be very legible."
So....with that, I am open to any other creative or unorthodox solutions and ideas.
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So, here comes a question, how do you rank the need to decorate these with the choice of material? Are there other rubbers or synthetics that would do the same job yet allow decoration?
for instance, I know that they print on some of the wide rubber bands used for broccoli and other produce.
btw, shirt printers, especially those who accept goods from clients often have to hold brief seminars on compatibility issues. I often mention that they, perhaps, should have checked with me before buying what they did.
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So, here comes a question, how do you rank the need to decorate these with the choice of material? Are there other rubbers or synthetics that would do the same job yet allow decoration?
for instance, I know that they print on some of the wide rubber bands used for broccoli and other produce.
btw, shirt printers, especially those who accept goods from clients often have to hold brief seminars on compatibility issues. I often mention that they, perhaps, should have checked with me before buying what they did.
Yep, you've got me cornered now Frog...HAHAH. I decided on this material based on price point...given it was my first run, I went "quick and fast" model of prototyping with the (WAIT for itttttt) assumption ;D ;D ;D that I'd be able to print on it later on.
So, yes, I'm realizing I may just need to research other materials that will offer the same physical characteristics and be printed, engraved or molded.
And I've reached to custom imprinted rubber band companies to see what solutions they might have.
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Another question, just for considering possibilities: If you stick with this material, could your manufacturing process include molding your emblem into the items during production, rather than printing/engraving/applying after the fact?
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Another question, just for considering possibilities: If you stick with this material, could your manufacturing process include molding your emblem into the items during production, rather than printing/engraving/applying after the fact?
Thanks Prince, I asked that during the production discussions...the rubber company I worked with uses stock sheet rubber rolls (approx 100 feet long), which they are not capable of customizing from their source.
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Where is our resident balloon printer, he should have something that works.
try these guys:
http://www.dischem.com/inks.php (http://www.dischem.com/inks.php)
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Where is our resident balloon printer, he should have something that works.
try these guys:
[url]http://www.dischem.com/inks.php[/url] ([url]http://www.dischem.com/inks.php[/url])
Thanks Inkworks! Email sent moments ago...
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Hello all, so I bit the bullet and decided to change materials. One great substitute for me is black neoprene sheet rubber. Anyone have experience printing on that?
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Hello all, so I bit the bullet and decided to change materials. One great substitute for me is black neoprene sheet rubber. Anyone have experience printing on that?
ohh your rolling now, all of us can print that all day long. no problem.
on the other material, I was going to mention a branding iron. Most metal shops could make one for you.
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Sorry I'm late. I don't come on the board until I have enough work done to justify some fun time. I use dischem ink (saw a link earlier) for all my latex balloons. we tried a few other companies but I always come back to dischem. They are a great company and their ink is the best for what I do.
Good luck.