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screen printing => Equipment => Topic started by: sqslabs on January 24, 2017, 05:24:47 PM

Title: Richmond Solarbeam Integrator Question
Post by: sqslabs on January 24, 2017, 05:24:47 PM
Finally tracked down a new keypad/integrator for my Solarbeam, and its a newer model than the one we previously had but still similar enough that the install wasn't an issue. It's now up and running but the light units are going ridiculously fast, even at the slowest setting (4). So 500LU is less than 30 seconds, and even at the max LU setting we wouldn't be able to get the time required to burn most of our screens. Our previous longest setting was 47LU.

I'm using the integrator that came with the new keypad, and velcro/ziptied it to the old integrator so its probably about 3/4"-1" closer to the light than the old one. Would that little bit of distance make such a drastic difference in the light that gets picked up? I'm not able to try the old integrator with the new keypad as it has a different connection type.

I can take videos/pics of anything if needed.Any help would be appreciated, we haven't had an integrator for a couple months and are looking forward to getting this thing back up and running properly again.
Title: Re: Richmond Solarbeam Integrator Question
Post by: CGS on January 24, 2017, 06:11:20 PM
Did the new one come with the dark blue lens diffuser and is it still glued in position over the hole ? 

Also you can try adjusting the angle of the photocell, so it is not aiming directly at the lamp. 
Title: Re: Richmond Solarbeam Integrator Question
Post by: sqslabs on January 24, 2017, 06:27:53 PM
Did the new one come with the dark blue lens diffuser and is it still glued in position over the hole ? 

Also you can try adjusting the angle of the photocell, so it is not aiming directly at the lamp.

Not sure on the diffuser, will take some photos in the morning and post them here.  Will also try the angle, thanks!
Title: Re: Richmond Solarbeam Integrator Question
Post by: sqslabs on January 25, 2017, 08:41:17 AM
Haven't had a chance to try the angle yet, but here's a few pics of the integrator.

Are there different integrators for different bulb sizes?  Or does one work across the board?
Title: Re: Richmond Solarbeam Integrator Question
Post by: CGS on January 25, 2017, 08:48:28 AM
Is there a dark piece a glass on the inside of the hole that is shown on the bottom photo ?
Title: Re: Richmond Solarbeam Integrator Question
Post by: sqslabs on January 25, 2017, 08:58:36 AM
Is there a dark piece a glass on the inside of the hole that is shown on the bottom photo ?

Yep, definitely.

Thanks!
Title: Re: Richmond Solarbeam Integrator Question
Post by: RICK STEFANICK on January 25, 2017, 09:22:47 AM
Brett, I think your problem may be CELL SPEED. for each channel there should be a cell speed setting 1,2 or 3.. we use 2. that will significantly reduce the countdown speed when exposing.
Title: Re: Richmond Solarbeam Integrator Question
Post by: sqslabs on January 25, 2017, 09:57:54 AM
Brett, I think your problem may be CELL SPEED. for each channel there should be a cell speed setting 1,2 or 3.. we use 2. that will significantly reduce the countdown speed when exposing.

Hey Rick, thanks for the recommendation. I've tried all four cell speeds and although we are seeing a difference between them, even the slowest setting runs way faster than would be required to get a proper burn.  This is completely different than our old keypad/integrator in which the light units ran much slower.
Title: Re: Richmond Solarbeam Integrator Question
Post by: CGS on January 25, 2017, 10:03:54 AM
another thought... is there a potentiometer on the keypad or board that you can adjust ?
Title: Re: Richmond Solarbeam Integrator Question
Post by: sqslabs on January 25, 2017, 10:11:37 AM
another thought... is there a potentiometer on the keypad or board that you can adjust ?

Just checked, and the only adjustment I can find is a switch for 115 and 230. It arrived at 115 and I switched it to the 230 setting before installation. Is it possible that could be the issue?
Title: Re: Richmond Solarbeam Integrator Question
Post by: sqslabs on January 25, 2017, 12:14:14 PM
Update: I angled the integrator down so its pretty much parallel with the glass, and it helped a lot. Still much faster than our old integrator, but there will now be enough light units to cover our longest exposure time.

Following the adjustment (and once the bulb is warmed up), we're currently getting 30 seconds per 100LU, as opposed to the 5 seconds per 100LU we were seeing before the adjustment.  This is all at Cell Speed 4, the slowest setting. As a comparison our old integrator was roughly 5.5 minutes per 100LU, so a significant change there.

Thanks much to CGS for the tip on the angle adjustment.
Title: Re: Richmond Solarbeam Integrator Question
Post by: CGS on January 25, 2017, 12:39:35 PM
Did you get the new parts from Nexmark by chance ?
Title: Re: Richmond Solarbeam Integrator Question
Post by: sqslabs on January 25, 2017, 12:57:12 PM
Did you get the new parts from Nexmark by chance ?

No, I went through Lee's Screen Process Supply. Found them on a google search as a distributor of Solarbeam bulbs.
Title: Re: Richmond Solarbeam Integrator Question
Post by: Frog on January 25, 2017, 01:25:44 PM
This may be a kind'a crude suggestion, but assuming that you have to rethink your light units with this new set-up anyway, what about covering part of the sensor? Would that trick the integrator into thinking it needed to increase your times?
Title: Re: Richmond Solarbeam Integrator Question
Post by: sqslabs on January 25, 2017, 02:03:09 PM
This may be a kind'a crude suggestion, but assuming that you have to rethink your light units with this new set-up anyway, what about covering part of the sensor? Would that trick the integrator into thinking it needed to increase your times?

Yeah, I think that would probably work. But since we now have more light units available than needed for our longest exposure, we could theoretically dial our exposures in even better due to the smaller increment size. Not that I think it'll make much of a difference in real-world results on a 1.5-3 minute exposure, but in any case, it couldn't hurt either.

I do still think its not running as intended and would like to understand why, but it is working and as long as the new keypad/integrator keeps the unit running as long as the last one did (15+ years) I'll take it as it currently is.
Title: Re: Richmond Solarbeam Integrator Question
Post by: jsheridan on January 25, 2017, 02:04:30 PM
Does the light integrator itself have any other adjustments on it other than just that little small window with the dark glass behind it. sometimes there might be a small set screw or something you can turn that will focus the lense.
Title: Re: Richmond Solarbeam Integrator Question
Post by: sqslabs on January 25, 2017, 02:20:57 PM
Does the light integrator itself have any other adjustments on it other than just that little small window with the dark glass behind it. sometimes there might be a small set screw or something you can turn that will focus the lense.

There's another hole on the front of the integrator, but nothing inside that looks like it can be adjusted.