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screen printing => Equipment => Topic started by: ZooCity on January 30, 2017, 01:49:07 PM
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What's the best way?:
- Ryonet's flip ups.
- S.roque's flip ups.
- Double outboard.
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As far as I know we are the only shop running double sleeve boards right now. They make the job much easier but the draw back is the weight of the boards. I prefer the roq flip boards over the ryo flip boards. If it were me I would bring in some double sleeve pallets and some flip roq style. Double sleeve pallet can print on pockets as well where the others are slightly too wide. Right now for anything adult med and larger we use standard flat 5" wide pallets and any garments smaller we use double pallet. Hope that helps
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Totally helps. We were shipped the ryonet flip ups and after inspecting them and speaking with our tech about them I don't see them being used here. The s.roque style flip ups have the features I requested it sounds like.
How is the weight a drawback of the 2x platens, just in handling them?
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Ryonet doubles just came in on friday. I am thinking the older ones might be better, but really have to test them first. Remind me in a month or so and I'll let you know what we find out.
pierre
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Has anyone found a legit solution for smaller long sleeve garments on the s.roques?
Everything we were sent was not in plane with the other tooling.
We did test a flip up honeycomb that was almost in plane and had promise but was not safe to run unfortunately. Needs a positive lock down.
For now the conclusion is to run smaller sleeves on another brand of press.
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Has anyone found a legit solution for smaller long sleeve garments on the s.roques?
Everything we were sent was not in plane with the other tooling.
We did test a flip up honeycomb that was almost in plane and had promise but was not safe to run unfortunately. Needs a positive lock down.
For now the conclusion is to run smaller sleeves on another brand of press.
Wow! Obviously not a viable solution for some shops.
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To be fair, these machines were not designed for our market and printing finished goods. Sleeves being the worst of that lot it's no surprise it's an issue.
But yeah, we're draining a lot of press time here trying to run sleeves on the s.roque setup.
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We just developed our own and should have a set of 10 ready for your new press in a couple of weeks. We are very happy with our prototype. It will have a threadable option, no fancy hinges or other magic. Will do long sleeve, short sleeve, inside neck, koozies, on pocket etc. While not perfect (what is) it's about as close as we can get.
Testing with our wood prototype and we could thread womens and youth long sleeve, over the entire pallet/arm on all adult sizes and hoodies. We expect it to be 7-7.5 pounds each.
I'll post more details when they finally get used in production in about 2 weeks.
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We just developed our own and should have a set of 10 ready for your new press in a couple of weeks. We are very happy with our prototype. It will have a threadable option, no fancy hinges or other magic. Will do long sleeve, short sleeve, inside neck, koozies, on pocket etc. While not perfect (what is) it's about as close as we can get.
Testing with our wood prototype and we could thread womens and youth long sleeve, over the entire pallet/arm on all adult sizes and hoodies. We expect it to be 7-7.5 pounds each.
I'll post more details when they finally get used in production in about 2 weeks.
Please do. Also feel free to email me at any point. Interested to hear how they run in production.
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I'll post pics, pro & cons etc as soon as we have something up and running. The threadable option may need some tweaking but we won't really know until we have them made. Even without the threadable option it will print just about any sleeve etc.
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Resurrecting this thread.
We've been using the 5"w. std honecombs for anything we can and still putting the rest on the M&R style presses. Going to be all s.roques on the autos in 2months and getting nervous about small sleeves.
I know we concluded that a single sleeve is best, flip ups seem to be the way but all the flip up solutions had some big drawbacks. I was told there is an improved 2x sleeve from action but requested that it be tested and checked for sizing before being sent to us for evaluation since the last one wasn't size correctly for printing on an Eco with 23x31 frames.
1964GN, did you make any progress with your solution?
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Zoo... call and talk to Mike 727-581-4066
We might have an extra we could send that you could use to have some made.
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Updates:
1964GN's shop has some really smart custom platens they built that I heavily considered having built for ours. They thread beneath the top piece of the tooling and the arm. Still working out for you all over there? Thanks to you and Mike again for chatting with me on these.
We also received an updated dual sleeve model from Ryonet.
https://www.screenprinting.com/products/ryonets-roq-compatible-dual-leg-and-sleeve-honeycomb-aluminum-platen (https://www.screenprinting.com/products/ryonets-roq-compatible-dual-leg-and-sleeve-honeycomb-aluminum-platen)
The prior dual sleeve models we tested had some big issues that prevented their use but this dual model ticks most of the boxes: tooling is on plane with rest of the standard tooling, deflection minimal. For some reason the video shows loading sleeves through the cuff, which isn't going to yield sustainable run times in a production setting I don't think, but we have had success loading fleece and ls ts through the neck. There's not a lot of room for hoods on the fleece to fall off the platen but it's manageable. You must remove all the support feet on the platen arms.
I think I am going to order a set of these duals since it appears the most viable solution and I honestly don't have time to have someone custom fab the threading option. Anyone else running these suckers?
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We've been in the process of building new arms for one of our presses here that will be used primarily for sleeves. Once we have some videos I'll post it up.
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We've been in the process of building new arms for one of our presses here that will be used primarily for sleeves. Once we have some videos I'll post it up.
Very interested to see. I have daydreamed about chopping out a section of the print arm to make sleeves work.
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We've been in the process of building new arms for one of our presses here that will be used primarily for sleeves. Once we have some videos I'll post it up.
Dang, that seems extreme. Did you try this dual outboard I linked?
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Chris,
Danny has them. He gets all the fun toys.
I am curious what he is cooking up though.
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Chris,
Danny has them. He gets all the fun toys.
I am curious what he is cooking up though.
I actually dont have the new dual pallets LOL........ I saw it first in long beach sitting on the small you press but have not tested those
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Chris,
Danny has them. He gets all the fun toys.
I am curious what he is cooking up though.
I actually dont have the new dual pallets LOL........ I saw it first in long beach sitting on the small you press but have not tested those
Saw them there also, looked legit. Sturdy. I just kinda cringe at the thought of outfitting a press with a full set of specialty pallets... Double indexing would allow you to buy half the amount I just don't like losing the unload station then.
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Chris,
Danny has them. He gets all the fun toys.
I am curious what he is cooking up though.
I actually dont have the new dual pallets LOL........ I saw it first in long beach sitting on the small you press but have not tested those
.... No Way....... Why did we not send you a set?
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Agreed Alex, it does add maybe 4-8 grand to the press, depending on the size of the machine you like to put sleeves on and whether or not double index/cancel pallet is acceptable to you, to print sleeves in a reasonable manner. 1964GN's shop's threading design would have been significantly lower in cost and kept the pre press unified since you could use them in or out of threading mode as a standard 4-5" platen or as a threading one. (again, very clever design) but Ryonet didn't have interest in exploring that option or maybe ruled it out.
Anyways, yes, a bit of an oversight for a market that prints almost exclusively on finished goods but this solution is ok with me if it gets our sleeves running at something that resembles normal print speeds again.
Only real downsides I see of this dual model are:
Have to remove all the feet. Not that the feet are super necessary but I like having them there for support in the event a honeycomb platen takes on some load it shouldn't, i.e., somebody leans on it too hard while scrubbing platens.
Hoodies have to load directionally since there's no room for the hood and add'l fabric. So that's left hoodie sleeve on left side of this platen only, right only on right side.
Requires an 18" wide blade to properly register art on both arms. No big but 23"w frames can't accommodate an 18" wing flood so you're stuck with a 16" flood and 18" blade to get this done proper. Where's action eng. with the dual sleeve, double wing flood bar?....just kidding, mostly.
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Chris,
I have been in a couple shops using the double sleeve platens and we used the standard 16 inch squeegees and floodbars without issues. I helped design it so you wouldn't need to change.
What are you seeing that you need a wider squeegee?
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I was just about to ask about 23x31 frames and 16" floods and squeegees. That's all we run right now on our 8/10 You
So can it work that way?
They are dam expensive. I was thinking about getting just 5 to go every other.
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Updates:
1964GN's shop has some really smart custom platens they built that I heavily considered having built for ours. They thread beneath the top piece of the tooling and the arm. Still working out for you all over there? Thanks to you and Mike again for chatting with me on these.
Yes, they are working extremely well for us. Perfect? No. But pretty damn close and worth every penny. With that said, we would like to pick up a small 3-4 color press dedicated to sleeves, pockets, etc. Put the sucker on wheels and just push it out of the way we not in use.
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Requires an 18" wide blade to properly register art on both arms. No big but 23"w frames can't accommodate an 18" wing flood so you're stuck with a 16" flood and 18" blade to get this done proper. Where's action eng. with the dual sleeve, double wing flood bar?....just kidding, mostly.
You can flood with an 18" squeegee.
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The reg wasn't quite perfect with the 16" w. blade, bang on with the 18". Might be because we round corners? I dunno but it made the press op happy to use the wider one. Works for me!
Yep, 18" blade would be a good flood there.
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The reg wasn't quite perfect with the 16" w. blade, bang on with the 18". Might be because we round corners? I dunno but it made the press op happy to use the wider one. Works for me!
Yep, 18" blade would be a good flood there.
Odd.
Depending on how rounded - and how close you push the width, I can see potential - but you guys had it happen so I am not going to argue :)
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I really don't know why Ryonet or Action don't have any interest in our design. They work amazingly well for long sleeves, short sleeves, on pocket, koozies, you name it. Over pallet arm load or threaded. We aren't engineers. I would think they would be able to improve on our design *shrug*
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Chris,
Danny has them. He gets all the fun toys.
I am curious what he is cooking up though.
I actually dont have the new dual pallets LOL........ I saw it first in long beach sitting on the small you press but have not tested those
Saw them there also, looked legit. Sturdy. I just kinda cringe at the thought of outfitting a press with a full set of specialty pallets... Double indexing would allow you to buy half the amount I just don't like losing the unload station then.
Run it normal and just use the void pallet feature.
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I really don't know why Ryonet or Action don't have any interest in our design. They work amazingly well for long sleeves, short sleeves, on pocket, koozies, you name it. Over pallet arm load or threaded. We aren't engineers. I would think they would be able to improve on our design *shrug*
I know I've been out of the loop for a while, ut do you have any links to the pallets you guys made? You have my interest now.
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I really don't know why Ryonet or Action don't have any interest in our design. They work amazingly well for long sleeves, short sleeves, on pocket, koozies, you name it. Over pallet arm load or threaded. We aren't engineers. I would think they would be able to improve on our design *shrug*
Can you post a photo of your sleeve pallet design?
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I really don't know why Ryonet or Action don't have any interest in our design. They work amazingly well for long sleeves, short sleeves, on pocket, koozies, you name it. Over pallet arm load or threaded. We aren't engineers. I would think they would be able to improve on our design *shrug*
I have to agree. Had an excellent chat with your shop's owner about them and with my rep at the time at ryonet. It seemed like the lowest tech and most straightforward approach in my eyes- run as standard sleeves or remove spacer/bracket and thread. Only drawback I saw to this design was the tooling being naturally higher than regular tooling which can be problematic for fleece and off contact, depending.
How does, say, thick hooded fleece do on them?
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I really don't know why Ryonet or Action don't have any interest in our design. They work amazingly well for long sleeves, short sleeves, on pocket, koozies, you name it. Over pallet arm load or threaded. We aren't engineers. I would think they would be able to improve on our design *shrug*
I have to agree. Had an excellent chat with your shop's owner about them and with my rep at the time at ryonet. It seemed like the lowest tech and most straightforward approach in my eyes- run as standard sleeves or remove spacer/bracket and thread. Only drawback I saw to this design was the tooling being naturally higher than regular tooling which can be problematic for fleece and off contact, depending.
How does, say, thick hooded fleece do on them?
They are the same thickness at the standard roq pallets so no need to adjust off contact. Printing hoodie sleeves sucks no matter what pallets you use :)
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https://www.facebook.com/bgnord/videos/10215574445664717/?query=sleeves&epa=SEARCH_BOX (https://www.facebook.com/bgnord/videos/10215574445664717/?query=sleeves&epa=SEARCH_BOX)
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https://www.facebook.com/bgnord/videos/10215701392838317/?query=sleeves&epa=SEARCH_BOX (https://www.facebook.com/bgnord/videos/10215701392838317/?query=sleeves&epa=SEARCH_BOX)
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1/2" Stock with rubber. 4" tapering back to 5" where the first bracket is mounted. We have been using these things for a while now and can one stroke all colors with very little pressure and no reg issues from deflection (which is minimal when threaded) on multi color prints.
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Is deflection much of a issue?
The only thing I could see being a issue is you have to make damn sure the top of the arm on your press is CLEAN. Great idea though! And you guys are not interested in making them for sale?
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Deflection is going to appear regardless of the design to keep the low profile. The dual outboard we have has some deflection but it's minimal as I'm sure this threadable one is. Doesn't impact prints that we tested on.
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Yes, if you are going to thread you need to make sure it's clean under there. We clean them when we change pallets. Since we do it fairly often they don't get very dirty :)
Deflection is minimal but it is there. Again, multi color prints register just fine for us but we don't tend to do many jobs like that. Squeegee height and pressures are adjusted as needed. Usually up and way back since we haven't purchased small squeegees yet.