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General => General Discussion and ??? => Topic started by: JayzTeez on November 09, 2011, 02:59:13 PM
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wow i can't believe what is going on in my backyard less than 20 mins away from me is State College PA. yeah home of Jerry Sandusky and the media circus its a sad sad time to see Joe Paterno go out this way.
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I agree. its a sad day. Why Pert is getting all the grief for this amazes me.
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you would swear joe pa abused those kids.
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My thought is that if someone tells you they saw something awful, and you follow up by telling the next person in line and nothing comes of it, you (anybody) have to pursue. If you don't this is what happens when it blows up. It saddens me that a man's lauded lifetime is now in the toilet, but he didn't do the right thing. I've seen it argued to the contrary, but I can't make that work in my head. Truly disgusting news...
Steve
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My thought is that if someone tells you they saw something awful, and you follow up by telling the next person in line and nothing comes of it, you (anybody) have to pursue. If you don't this is what happens when it blows up. It saddens me that a man's lauded lifetime is now in the toilet, but he didn't do the right thing. I've seen it argued to the contrary, but I can't make that work in my head. Truly disgusting news...
Steve
True to an extent. But consider this: What if after he told his superiors, he asked about it later as was told it was taken care of? Is he now supposed to be the lead investigator and find out exactly how it was taken care of and if things were handled properly?
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What if he didn't know about it? I imagine sickos like this guy don't exactly go around bragging about their hobbies to their boss.
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my only question is not who knew what and did what but rather why did those 2 directors lie to the grand jury what was there intent for lying, and who did the lie protect?
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My thought is that if someone tells you they saw something awful, and you follow up by telling the next person in line and nothing comes of it, you (anybody) have to pursue. If you don't this is what happens when it blows up. It saddens me that a man's lauded lifetime is now in the toilet, but he didn't do the right thing. I've seen it argued to the contrary, but I can't make that work in my head. Truly disgusting news...
Steve
True to an extent. But consider this: What if after he told his superiors, he asked about it later as was told it was taken care of? Is he now supposed to be the lead investigator and find out exactly how it was taken care of and if things were handled properly?
This seems like one of those "Who is better, the democrats or the republicans) kind of discussions. People view the circumstances differently. Here is what I see. The act is illegal, immoral, hurtful, disgusting, vial, and the list goes on. We have no kind of excuse for that what so ever. So, was Joe guilty of doing it himself? No. Some people would take it as far as to say, he may as well have been if you don't follow up on it (to the point where you know the law is handling it). Was he obligated to follow up and even then pursue/investigate further till he new the real authorities were aware of it and the guy was no longer working and PS etc? I bet the next little boy after the directors were told... was hoping that Joe would have followed up on it. Yes, he is guilty of something. Neglegence maybe? A lack of due diligence?
To have known about an employee who is doing purse snatching and you just tell your boss, then maybe we can see that level of due diligence as justified (although even that is still questionable to some). To have something like child molestation, rape, bestiality or anything of the kind not followed up on should be illegal in an of itself. That should be a crime.
I was/am a Joe Pateno fan. I know he's done much good. far more than the average human being over the years. I more so, probably dismiss his actions as one coming from a semi feeble minded old man. I think this is where many of the people (in his favor) find themselves. He was already too old to be coaching to be affective. They kept him around for nostalgia.
Business owners/people, you all are guilty of something....if you know about something like this...and keep it to yourself.
There is no excuse. None.
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True to an extent. But consider this: What if after he told his superiors, he asked about it later as was told it was taken care of? Is he now supposed to be the lead investigator and find out exactly how it was taken care of and if things were handled properly?
Exactly. Obviously something more should have been done yet at to what extent. All the media is on Paterno and not he idiot that allegedly saw it happening. Remember all this was alleged when brought to Paterno and he did what he was supposed to. Because he is so well known he is the one in the news. Stupid media always twisting everything to get a rise out of the public.
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Joe has got to go NOW or at least they have to chisel off the HUMANUTARIAN line from his statue.
In my mind if he knew anything and it appears he did and nothing came from it and the man in question was till in a position to carry on then he joe and all others who knew are just enablers.
How about this for ever minute joe stands on the side line this guy gets to spend equal private time with joe's grandchildern or great grandchildren. I wonder then who joe would be thinking about.
mooseman
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He just got FIRED
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He just got FIRED
Rightfully so. Joe was not obligated to tell his superiors. He was obligated to tell the police.
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Absolutely.
I had heard that Paterno had been told about it and yet Sandusky was still in a position to continue his deranged activities.
Joe will have to live with the fact that he is to blame for his own downfall by his actions (or lack of).
"Upon learning about a suspected 2002 assault by Sandusky of a young boy in the football building’s showers, Paterno redirected the graduate assistant who witnessed the incident to the athletic director, rather than notifying the police. "
Joe's words from the NY Times - "This is a tragedy. It is one of the great sorrows of my life. With the benefit of hindsight, I wish I had done more"
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/11/10/sports/ncaafootball/-joe-paterno-and-graham-spanier-out-at-penn-state.html (http://www.nytimes.com/2011/11/10/sports/ncaafootball/-joe-paterno-and-graham-spanier-out-at-penn-state.html)
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A crime as serious as this should never ever be directed to your superior but directly to the authorities (police). It is hard to think badly of JP but having two young children myself this whole situation sickens me. And I do place a lot of the blame on JP, not the actual crime but the negligence and the fact the correct authorities were not informed. JP is the one seen in the news and receiving most of the negative attention because he is also Penn States biggest public figure. Being the Public figure he is means you have to deal with the good as well as the bad in the media.
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Well, was the guy that notified joe fired? How about the person he told? It would have been better for BOTH men to take it up the chain of command personally.
I don't know if he should have been fired, but at this point it is a huge distraction.
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I think he could have done more, he should have done more, but I don't know all the details to form much more of an opinion than that. This Sandusky guy is scum, he did way more than we know about, I can promise you that. I think a lot of people knew he was no good and they didn't do anything about it. Going back to 1998 he was accused and ADMITTED to showering with an 11 year old boy and said he did inappropriate "hugging" and people knew about that and swept it under the rug. The police were involved in that and it just fizzled out and went away.
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Some are saying that Paterno had to be dealt with ASAP because there should be more details coming out pretty soon. I guess, the sh!t is yet to hit the fan.
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The really sad thing is things like this are swept under the rug to protect the image of the school. Yet when the cover up leaks it is much much more damaging and guess what crap like this always comes out. I just do not get it if the School just came out immediately and said they discovered so and so was piddling kids and we fired him there would be no damage to the schools reputation in fact the opposite they would gain respect for dealing with a situation correctly. WTF
If Paterno had one ounce of knowledge of what happened he is culpable as anyone else for not going to the police. The moment Paterno realized the scum was still around and not dealt with he should have did something. The freaking excuse of informing my superiors is a joke, his superiors are not the police this is child molestation not freaking pencil stealing.
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My thought is that if someone tells you they saw something awful, and you follow up by telling the next person in line and nothing comes of it, you (anybody) have to pursue. If you don't this is what happens when it blows up. It saddens me that a man's lauded lifetime is now in the toilet, but he didn't do the right thing. I've seen it argued to the contrary, but I can't make that work in my head. Truly disgusting news...
Steve
True to an extent. But consider this: What if after he told his superiors, he asked about it later as was told it was taken care of? Is he now supposed to be the lead investigator and find out exactly how it was taken care of and if things were handled properly?
I guess if he was a cafeteria worker at the school, but he's the head coach of the football team at a major college. This is not a one time scenario, it's been going on for a while. I can't believe he's that naive. I would think he would know it wasn't taken care of, because the offender remained there at the school, in his capacity. How could someone do that and still remain in the employ of the school? Also, this isn't about stealing vending machine money, it's about a violent attack of a large adult on a helpless child, in the shower on school property. It simply requires more follow through. Even saying he would retire at the end of the season proves he doesn't get it. What's the expression, "All it takes for evil to succeed is for good men to do nothing." or something like that. Well, someone there gets it, because he's fired now. And what's with the rioting? How brainless are these kids anyway? What an awful story.
Steve
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It's always said that the "cover up" is worse than the crime, but not in this case. Don't get me wrong, the cover up that the administrators at Penn State took part of was absolutely disgusting but every once in a while a crime can be so outrageously bad that the cover up pales in comparison.
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Looks like Tom Ridge (Director of Homeland Securtiy) will be the next PSU President.
and rumors are flying about Urban Meyer being the next coach.
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Looks like Tom Ridge (Director of Homeland Securtiy) will be the next PSU President.
and rumors are flying about Urban Meyer being the next coach.
Everybody it throwing out Urban Meyer's name. I guess he is the next Ohio State coach too :) Maybe, he will coach both of them.
If I was a coach, I would really think about taking over that program. Those stains would take time to disappear, and recruiting will be really tough for the next few (maybe 10-15) years.
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urban bought a house in boalsburg pa about a stone throw from state college. his daughter a big volleyball star penn state womens volleyball is the best just seems like its a perfect fit.
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urban bought a house in boalsburg pa about a stone throw from state college. his daughter a big volleyball star penn state womens volleyball is the best just seems like its a perfect fit.
I also heard he bought a house near OSU too. He is planning on coaching one of them, and PSU is now looking a lot less attractive.
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I much imagine Penn State is now gearing up for the lawsuits (fittingly so) from the injured parties for complacency by their appointed representatives. And you can bet they will be forthcoming and large.
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I am sure there are so many layers to this, one can't even come close to comprehending. In my opinion, the biggest issue is that the coverup put so many other children in harms way. Nine years went by so who knows how many boys this man hurt because no one stepped up to the plate to report it to the police, all they did was take his keys away-now there is a punishment. Good old boys club at it's peak.
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drudge is reporting this case goes deeper...a lot deeper. To truly sickening levels.
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When we as people put sports ( and its coaches ) above what is right and moral things like this are being swept under the rug. In this case to protect Penn State's reputation. But did anyone hear what the first question was when it was announced that JP was fired? The very first question was " Who is going to coach Sat. game? ". Also ask yourself if it was your college that you loved and supported and it was your coach that had something like this happen would you get mad because of the firing or agree with it. What is your God?
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To be honest you have to look at how the hierarchy or chain of command is written for this situation. Keep in mind it is an Educational institution and I work part time as a teacher myself. In our school if we suspect anything from sexual abuse to harassment we are required to inform our immediate supervisor then after that I am told that I am no long a party to that investigation.
This could be how Penn State has it written in their policy. What we do not know is what the witness told Paterno. Until that comes to light we need to reserve judgement on Paterno.
Frank
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This is the reason I would never let my boys join the boy scouts...I,m not saying the scouts are bad I just didn't trust my kids being out of my site at such a young age. When you can't even trust your pastors and such what in the world is going on with us in this world. I tell you what if they (and I can't put a finger on who they are) keep taking GOD out of the mouths of people and schools and such we're going to have a hell of a mess one day.
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Penn State is my college and i love Joe Pa. he did exactly what he was supposed to do, he told his boss. hell the kid the witnessed the act McQuarrey is still going to coach sats game wtf? that is what pisses me off, its like they just used joe as the scapegoat. hell with all the coverage you would swear joe was the one commiting the crime. hell they seam to be more mad at him then with the guy Sandusky that actually did the acts.
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I do not think that it is fair to have him in the news all the time. McQuarrey's case and him being on the sidelines this Saturday is a disgrace and not many people talk about that.
But, that is because JoePa became something more and bigger than the whole University. You could have seen that yesterday when he came out and told them not to waste time on him and decision about his future, told them to worry about other things.
It is sad what happened to the kids, but that had to be stopped first time they found the guy with the kid in the shower.
You'll see, there will be more stuff coming out. That University is in danger, and football program will suffer for a few years.
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No one and I mean no one Mother Teresa the pope etc. can be excused for this simply because they are some kind of college hero. WTF kids were being raped and all that is expected is to go to your superior? And then you see the rapist still working and not in jail? Joe P should have turned him in, he had nothing to fear from the Higher ups since he did the right hting, and I wonder how many children since first discovered were assaulted?
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Frank I also work part time at a college so I uderstand the chain of command but if I see the person that I reported later on I have got to ask "Was that true what my grad asst. told me?" just saying.... Also if I walked in on someone ( the grad asst. ) doing that to a young boy or girl I would be on his ass like White on Rice!!! I don't care who it was or if I would get my a@# whooped! Hey I follow a chain of commands also with the students and our Dean but if I saw this come on the chain is BROKEN!!!! end of story
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Penn State is my college and i love Joe Pa. he did exactly what he was supposed to do, he told his boss. hell the kid the witnessed the act McQuarrey is still going to coach sats game wtf? that is what pisses me off, its like they just used joe as the scapegoat. hell with all the coverage you would swear joe was the one commiting the crime. hell they seam to be more mad at him then with the guy Sandusky that actually did the acts.
He is the head of football. He reported it and nothing was done. It was his duty not only as a leader but as a human to report it and make sure that something was done. I hope everyone that was involved gets strung up by the nuts. I have a cousin that went through something like this and he's been a wreck ever since. F' him and anyone else that knew about it. Losing his job is appropriate in this situation.
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READ THE INSCRIPTION!!!!!!!!
WHEN LINE NO 2 OVER RULES LINE 3 THE PLANET IS TRULY DOOMED
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This is precisely why you do not do statues and crap like that while people are still in the job or even alive.
Also, I have no problem with 2 being above 3. He was known as a coach first, educator second, and humanitarian 3rd. That makes no difference.
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keep taking GOD out of the mouths of people and schools and such we're going to have a hell of a mess one day.
With all due respect to you my friend, the white collar also brings up headlines that seem all to similar to this subject matter. Sandusky is a bit out in the open for he does not have a Religious Institution to hide behind. As far as I'm concerned there is not a fire hot enough to burn him or any other sick sonofabitch who takes advantage of children in this manner.... golden grid iron or golden domes be damned.
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I agree good ole father john gagen got his in the slammer (then they killed him).
Unfortunately the church protected him for many many years and more people suffered because of it...stuff that in your confessional and repent it father baby, by the way did the pope resign back then?
mooseman
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No "board" able to "fire" him. ;)