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Title: Music - The Golden Age (well, actually, waaayyy more colors!)
Post by: Frog on May 08, 2017, 12:43:37 PM
I was just reading the current Rolling Stone's article on the best concerts of the last fifty years. I went and found the poster from my first rock concert. back in '68.
After five or so years of folk, in clubs, coffee houses, and even big shows at the Hollywood Bowl, and a few "Surfers' Stomps", you can only imagine how this powerhouse line-up blew me away!

(https://recordmecca.com/wp-content/uploads/mqc/477_large_1.jpg)
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Post by: nascarstan on May 08, 2017, 01:56:15 PM
That's a great line up!
All super talented musicians!
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Post by: Frog on May 08, 2017, 01:57:30 PM
and. would you believe $4?
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Post by: im_mcguire on May 08, 2017, 02:04:17 PM
You might want to get that framed right there.  That poster is worth some serious money if I am not mistaken...
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Post by: Frog on May 08, 2017, 03:33:22 PM
You might want to get that framed right there.  That poster is worth some serious money if I am not mistaken...
That's actually a link to one online, not one I have.
The sad thing is, though I had a half dozen from Pinnacle (the promoters of that show), and a couple from the Kaleidoscope), a short lived venue that used to be the Hullabaloo and before that the Moulin Rouge on Sunset blvd, the big stash was after I moved to the Bay Area where we had between 2 and 4 shows a week from the Fillmore, Avalon, Winterland, eventually the Carousel, and the Family Dog at the beach.  Whew!
Those shows tended to hand out posters at the door.

That stash, along with the cool billboard murals I had from an old job were lost when my shop burned some time back.
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Post by: Sbrem on May 08, 2017, 03:45:56 PM
I saw Jimi that year, and Soft Machine opened for him... as for the best concerts over the last 50 years, in who's opinion? Not real big on polls...

Steve
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Post by: Frog on May 08, 2017, 03:57:36 PM
I saw Jimi that year, and Soft Machine opened for him... as for the best concerts over the last 50 years, in who's opinion? Not real big on polls...

Steve

Well, obviously subjective, but Rolling Stone has a little bit of cred in the music department.
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Post by: inkman996 on May 09, 2017, 01:50:27 PM
I saw Jimi that year, and Soft Machine opened for him... as for the best concerts over the last 50 years, in who's opinion? Not real big on polls...

Steve

If I had the chance to go back in time and pick one concert to see live I would have to go either with one of Zepplins pre 75 NY concerts, or Dire Straights Alchemy live in London.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Pa9x9fZBtY (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Pa9x9fZBtY)
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Post by: Frog on May 09, 2017, 02:07:14 PM
I saw Jimi that year, and Soft Machine opened for him... as for the best concerts over the last 50 years, in who's opinion? Not real big on polls...

Steve

If I had the chance to go back in time and pick one concert to see live I would have to go either with one of Zepplins pre 75 NY concerts, or Dire Straights Alchemy live in London.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Pa9x9fZBtY (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Pa9x9fZBtY)

Just before leaving Los Angeles, in June of '68, I saw a Pinnacle concert featuring "The New Yardbirds" soon to become Led Zep.
Here's a good read that deals with that transition. (https://books.google.com/books?id=YQYxCwAAQBAJ&pg=PT23&lpg=PT23&dq=the+new+yardbirds+shrine+auditorium&source=bl&ots=H3DM7cp1cL&sig=S4JnWdr8q66SX1jXkLSwEFhjYpg&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiyr_fBsOPTAhVS1WMKHWSYAvgQ6AEIWTAI#v=onepage&q=the%20new%20yardbirds%20shrine%20auditorium&f=false)
Soon after moving to Berkeley, we saw them as Led Zepplin at the Carousel in San Francisco supporting their first album.
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Post by: inkman996 on May 09, 2017, 02:42:08 PM
I saw Jimi that year, and Soft Machine opened for him... as for the best concerts over the last 50 years, in who's opinion? Not real big on polls...

Steve

If I had the chance to go back in time and pick one concert to see live I would have to go either with one of Zepplins pre 75 NY concerts, or Dire Straights Alchemy live in London.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Pa9x9fZBtY (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Pa9x9fZBtY)

Just before leaving Los Angeles, in June of '68, I saw a Pinnacle concert featuring "The New Yardbirds" soon to become Led Zep.
Here's a good read that deals with that transition. (https://books.google.com/books?id=YQYxCwAAQBAJ&pg=PT23&lpg=PT23&dq=the+new+yardbirds+shrine+auditorium&source=bl&ots=H3DM7cp1cL&sig=S4JnWdr8q66SX1jXkLSwEFhjYpg&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiyr_fBsOPTAhVS1WMKHWSYAvgQ6AEIWTAI#v=onepage&q=the%20new%20yardbirds%20shrine%20auditorium&f=false)
Soon after moving to Berkeley, we saw them as Led Zepplin at the Carousel in San Francisco supporting their first album.

There is a lot of history concerning Page and the Yard Birds. Jeff Beck Eric Clapton, page to name a few were the Yard Birds, when The Yard Birds broke up they gave Page permission to use the Yard Bird name hence The New Yard Birds emerged. Frog you are one really lucky person to have seen both versions of Zepplin.
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Post by: nascarstan on May 09, 2017, 03:51:56 PM
Looks like we tore up the same venues in the San Francisco area Frog. Great times were had at all.
I was especially fond of Winterland.
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Post by: tonypep on May 09, 2017, 03:52:38 PM
Genesis w/Peter Gabriel, The Tubes, Bowie Diamond Dogs tour, whole bunch of Punk bands in New Haven clubs. U2 at Toads Place middle of a blizzard. 30 people in the club that night. OK so like most, that's going to be a long list
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Post by: inkman996 on May 09, 2017, 04:14:14 PM
Genesis w/Peter Gabriel, The Tubes, Bowie Diamond Dogs tour, whole bunch of Punk bands in New Haven clubs. U2 at Toads Place middle of a blizzard. 30 people in the club that night. OK so like most, that's going to be a long list

I spent many mahy nights in Toads and New Haven Colosseum, some I truly do not remember. Thats just New Haven, there also The Webster, Sting, Arch Street
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Post by: Sbrem on May 09, 2017, 05:26:26 PM
I saw Jimi that year, and Soft Machine opened for him... as for the best concerts over the last 50 years, in who's opinion? Not real big on polls...

Steve

Well, obviously subjective, but Rolling Stone has a little bit of cred in the music department.

not to me... never read it, and apparently, missing nothing at all. Again, it's subjective, so no actual truth, just someone's opinion. For instance, I would never compare the Sex Pistols to John Coltrane, but somewhere, someone would...

Steve
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Post by: Frog on May 09, 2017, 05:59:26 PM
I saw Jimi that year, and Soft Machine opened for him... as for the best concerts over the last 50 years, in who's opinion? Not real big on polls...

Steve

Well, obviously subjective, but Rolling Stone has a little bit of cred in the music department.

not to me... never read it, and apparently, missing nothing at all. Again, it's subjective, so no actual truth, just someone's opinion. For instance, I would never compare the Sex Pistols to John Coltrane, but somewhere, someone would...

Steve

First off, let me emphasize that I never defended their choices, but merely pointed out that it got me remembering my own first real live rock experience. (which, coincidentally or not, was the same main artist as their first chronological choice as well.)
For those interested, here's their list. And remember, they are not judging musicians as such, but rather specific concerts or tours.
https://atrl.net/forums/topic/32480-rolling-stone-50-greatest-concerts-of-the-last-50-years/
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Post by: ABuffington on May 10, 2017, 06:54:59 PM
I saw Led Zeppelin at a free concert at UCI in Irvine on the lawn and thought, wow they sound great.  So they announce they will play in Anaheim the next night.  Looking for something to do, my date and I buy tickets at the door.  4th row, Jethro Tull opened and Jimmy Page absolutely blew our minds.  I am determined to play like that.  50 years later I can play some of his music, barely.  A golden period for rock and roll.
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Post by: brandon on May 10, 2017, 08:16:33 PM
This will most likely not mean anything to anyone on here but the 1992 Earache "Gods of Grind" Tour. Napalm Death, Carcass, Cathedral, and Brutal Truth. The European tour had Sweden's Entombed headlining. Anyone into Death Metal and it's origins will recognize these names. Amazing show and the shirts!!!! Explains my company's niche perfectly if you look at our instagram account haha.
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Post by: shaneds on May 10, 2017, 11:50:36 PM
This will most likely not mean anything to anyone on here but the 1992 Earache "Gods of Grind" Tour. Napalm Death, Carcass, Cathedral, and Brutal Truth. The European tour had Sweden's Entombed headlining. Anyone into Death Metal and it's origins will recognize these names. Amazing show and the shirts!!!! Explains my company's niche perfectly if you look at our instagram account haha.

thats a rad lineup.  I have only seen Napalm Death once back in 2006 I think.
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Post by: Sbrem on May 11, 2017, 10:30:57 AM
Like some other of us older guys, I also saw Zeppelin in '69 and '71; the first was a 3 hour extravaganza, the second, only about 45 minutes as crazies rushed the stage, knocked down the barriers, so the they screwed on out of there. Very disappointing, I must say, because there were "on" that night. We had a place in our town called the Carousel, a theater in the round under a tent; lots of big time acts were there, stage plays, R&B, Soul, Blues; over '68 and '69 I saw Hendrix, Chicago Transit Authority, Led Zeppelin, The Vanilla Fudge, Iron Butterfly, Blood, Sweat & Tears, Ten Years After and the Mothers of Invention. $6.00 a show, jeez... great shows, bring back lots of memories as Frog said, hair past my shoulders, bell bottoms, tie-dyed tank tops and psychedelic music.

Steve
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Post by: Frog on May 11, 2017, 10:45:52 AM
In San Francisco, our Carousel started life as a big band ballroom in the late '20's, and became the Fillmore West venue when the actual Fillmore auditorium could no longer accommodate the growing horde of music-hungry hippies.
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Post by: numbercruncher on May 11, 2017, 11:45:54 AM
Wow, this brings back memories -Regardless of Golden Days...great times, sorry have to chip in some personal memories first concert --- DC 5 in Chicago in '66 at old Arie Crown, saw the last concert at the Coliseum in '69 James Taylor/Carol King ---best no show concert the Kinks in '67 in Chicago. the undercard band played the entire concert(was the soon to be famous, Moody Blues) ---favorite concert(well one of them), Morrison and the Doors...yes tickets were cheap and the AM radio stations in Chicago often bought up a bunch and ran mini-contests for free pairs of tickets!
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Post by: Doug B on May 11, 2017, 12:53:02 PM
  Chicago (C.T.A.) was the warm-up band for Hendrix on that tour (68?) and I've
seen a bunch- too many to remember them all. Yes, King Crimson opening for
Mountain, Stones in 65- first U.S. tour, Lots of jazz also. Great times indeed.
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Post by: rusty on May 11, 2017, 01:31:50 PM
This will most likely not mean anything to anyone on here but the 1992 Earache "Gods of Grind" Tour. Napalm Death, Carcass, Cathedral, and Brutal Truth. The European tour had Sweden's Entombed headlining. Anyone into Death Metal and it's origins will recognize these names. Amazing show and the shirts!!!! Explains my company's niche perfectly if you look at our instagram account haha.

thats a rad lineup.  I have only seen Napalm Death once back in 2006 I think.

That's an amazing lineup. Except for cathedral I've seen all those bands quite a few times. As for metal my greatest show was finally getting to see bolt thrower at mdf.  I've definitely mellowed out a bit ha ha

And yeah I enjoy your instagram. kudos on the morbid angel tees!
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Post by: tpitman on May 11, 2017, 01:58:12 PM
Young Rascals in Greenville, South Carolina in '69. Steppenwolf here in O-Town at the old sports stadium out near Bithlo in 1970 or '71. Johnny Winter in Jacksonville about the same time. Spirit down in Lakeland about then, too. Bob Dylan and The Band in 1974 down in Hollywood, Florida. Like the Steppenwolf show it was in a huge quonset hut-type building where they herded in as many as they could, with most of us sitting on a concrete floor in the center packed cheek-to-jowel.
Central Florida venues back then tended to suck. Lakeland had a nice Civic Center and had good shows, but the cops were hard-asses when it came to intoxicants.
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Post by: Sbrem on May 11, 2017, 02:25:00 PM
Wow, this brings back memories -Regardless of Golden Days...great times, sorry have to chip in some personal memories first concert --- DC 5 in Chicago in '66 at old Arie Crown, saw the last concert at the Coliseum in '69 James Taylor/Carol King ---best no show concert the Kinks in '67 in Chicago. the undercard band played the entire concert(was the soon to be famous, Moody Blues) ---favorite concert(well one of them), Morrison and the Doors...yes tickets were cheap and the AM radio stations in Chicago often bought up a bunch and ran mini-contests for free pairs of tickets!

Those days were fun when not yet big-time acts opened for established ones; I saw Grand Funk open for Santana, and The Eagles open for Yes, the original Journey open for Electric Light Orchestra..., pretty good nights of music, apparently no shortage of that from all the recollections...

Steve
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Post by: Frog on May 11, 2017, 02:43:37 PM
Wow, this brings back memories -Regardless of Golden Days...great times, sorry have to chip in some personal memories first concert --- DC 5 in Chicago in '66 at old Arie Crown, saw the last concert at the Coliseum in '69 James Taylor/Carol King ---best no show concert the Kinks in '67 in Chicago. the undercard band played the entire concert(was the soon to be famous, Moody Blues) ---favorite concert(well one of them), Morrison and the Doors...yes tickets were cheap and the AM radio stations in Chicago often bought up a bunch and ran mini-contests for free pairs of tickets!


Those days were fun when not yet big-time acts opened for established ones; I saw Grand Funk open for Santana, and The Eagles open for Yes, the original Journey open for Electric Light Orchestra..., pretty good nights of music, apparently no shortage of that from all the recollections...

Steve


In '73, as Lynyrd Skynyrd was starting to take off, (at least before I had heard them) they opened for the Who on a memorable night when a fan had to fill in for a "partied-out" Keith Moon.


http://ultimateclassicrock.com/a-fan-plays-drums-with-the-who/ (http://ultimateclassicrock.com/a-fan-plays-drums-with-the-who/)
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Post by: nascarstan on May 11, 2017, 03:55:49 PM
At the Cow Palace in south San Francisco.
 I was there. The guy did a good job.
I thought I read somewhere later that it was a drum tech for the band.
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Post by: ebscreen on May 11, 2017, 03:57:31 PM
a "partied-out" Keith Moon.


Can you imagine what it would take to party out that guy?
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Post by: ABuffington on May 11, 2017, 06:20:49 PM
The reason why this period of music still holds up is that the record companies were able to filter out the best and then promote and afford to support them.  The labels had a huge hand in making these guys the stars they are.  The creativity then wasn't a canned sample.  They had freedoms and artistic input that was fine tuned, polished by excellent recording engineers, mastered by eq experts, and packaged in great art pieces on their covers.  Vinyl was king, supply and demand was on the demand side for sure. An album release was supported with well thought out tours and professional management that today's up and coming artists struggle to get in a contract.  Today it is almost all DIY in the beginning.  Gone are the days you could open for someone at the Troubador and become the next huge band, like so many LA bands became, Jackson Browne, Linda Ronstadt, the Eagles, the Doors and so many others.

Today you can create a masterpiece and it wouldn't get air play. Music is homogenized, packaged cheaply, tours only happen if you have a huge following already.  Some of the highest grossing tours today come from bands who would fit in an old folks home, we'll gladly pay for the ticket to relive the memories of the days we are talking about. Recording contracts today only go to proven bands, no one is going to take a flier on a young band belting out blues today.  Clive Davis, who found Janis Joplin and many others, has a great read on the music industry, "the Sound track of my life" plus a few other books I can't remember off hand, but all good behind the scenes details we never new.   A link to some his stories of the past: http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/earshot/60-things-we-learned-clive-423616 (http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/earshot/60-things-we-learned-clive-423616)

When I'm not harassing you guys on making better screens, I'm picking up a 72 Les Paul and playing as many songs as I can tonight with my band of 35 years.  It is interesting how many printers are musicians.  For those that love rock n roll, go to a guitar store, pick up a nice electric and a good amp and find some friends to jam with, watch you tube videos, best hours of entertainment possible.
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Post by: Sbrem on May 11, 2017, 06:43:52 PM
a "partied-out" Keith Moon.


Can you imagine what it would take to party out that guy?

He must have been partying with Keith Richards...

Steve
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Post by: Frog on May 11, 2017, 07:16:26 PM
At the Cow Palace in south San Francisco.
 I was there. The guy did a good job.
I thought I read somewhere later that it was a drum tech for the band.

Read the story I linked.
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Post by: Sbrem on May 12, 2017, 05:13:14 PM
The reason why this period of music still holds up is that the record companies were able to filter out the best and then promote and afford to support them.  The labels had a huge hand in making these guys the stars they are.  The creativity then wasn't a canned sample.  They had freedoms and artistic input that was fine tuned, polished by excellent recording engineers, mastered by eq experts, and packaged in great art pieces on their covers.  Vinyl was king, supply and demand was on the demand side for sure. An album release was supported with well thought out tours and professional management that today's up and coming artists struggle to get in a contract.  Today it is almost all DIY in the beginning.  Gone are the days you could open for someone at the Troubador and become the next huge band, like so many LA bands became, Jackson Browne, Linda Ronstadt, the Eagles, the Doors and so many others.

Today you can create a masterpiece and it wouldn't get air play. Music is homogenized, packaged cheaply, tours only happen if you have a huge following already.  Some of the highest grossing tours today come from bands who would fit in an old folks home, we'll gladly pay for the ticket to relive the memories of the days we are talking about. Recording contracts today only go to proven bands, no one is going to take a flier on a young band belting out blues today.  Clive Davis, who found Janis Joplin and many others, has a great read on the music industry, "the Sound track of my life" plus a few other books I can't remember off hand, but all good behind the scenes details we never new.   A link to some his stories of the past: [url]http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/earshot/60-things-we-learned-clive-423616[/url] ([url]http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/earshot/60-things-we-learned-clive-423616[/url])

When I'm not harassing you guys on making better screens, I'm picking up a 72 Les Paul and playing as many songs as I can tonight with my band of 35 years.  It is interesting how many printers are musicians.  For those that love rock n roll, go to a guitar store, pick up a nice electric and a good amp and find some friends to jam with, watch you tube videos, best hours of entertainment possible.


I could tell you were a player from your writing. I played a ton back then, but realized after a while that I probably would be playing in bars for the rest of my life, and as a non drinker, not all that thrilled at the prospect. So, I've been printing since then, but have many blues/rock and commercial bands since. My main electrics are an '86 - '62 reissue Strat and a 335, but I play mostly finger style acoustic for my main pleasure. A few Taylors and a Santa Cruz. When I retire, I will pretty much do nothing but play, eat, and you know... Really, I just want to live long enough to do that.

Steve

Steve