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screen printing => General Screen Printing => Topic started by: Maxie on July 12, 2017, 11:42:36 PM

Title: Checking for pinholes
Post by: Maxie on July 12, 2017, 11:42:36 PM
What light do you use for checking screens for pinholees.
I am using a table with a glass top with 2 fluoresents under it and it's not so easy to see the holes.
Has to be a better way.
Title: Re: Checking for pinholes
Post by: Frog on July 13, 2017, 12:01:42 AM
I use a real light table with four or six tubes, I forget.
In the past in some shops, we merely held them up towards the ceiling lights.

Improved housekeeping and thicker EOM has really reduced mine since the ol' days.
Title: Re: Checking for pinholes
Post by: screenxpress on July 13, 2017, 01:12:55 AM
^^^^^ What he said

I have a light table too, but I have found it more productive to hold the screen up towards the florescent lights in the ceiling as you can move the screen around and detect pinholes better than the light table.

I might just have a light table up for sale soon, lol.
Title: Re: Checking for pinholes
Post by: willy35 on July 13, 2017, 03:53:18 AM
I placed the light table vertically against a wall, we see every tiny holes.
Title: Re: Checking for pinholes
Post by: Maxie on July 13, 2017, 08:07:47 AM
Wily you get 10 points, I like your idea. Thanks.
Title: Re: Checking for pinholes
Post by: tonypep on July 13, 2017, 08:28:55 AM
What are these things you call pinholes? ;)
Title: Re: Checking for pinholes
Post by: Sbrem on July 13, 2017, 08:50:15 AM
When I used to touch up screens, I preferred a single tube over the diffuse light of a light table, it seemed to make them show up better, more contrast I believe.

Steve
Title: Re: Checking for pinholes
Post by: tonypep on July 13, 2017, 09:27:34 AM
In all seriousness, the light table is not ideal. I've built a few "viewing boxes" with old school 40 bulbs around 4' away from a frosted mylar/glass surface. Its why you see printers hold the screens towards the ceiling lights checking for PHs. The flourescent bulb so close diffuses light and does not allow enough contrast.
Title: Re: Checking for pinholes
Post by: T Shirt Farmer on July 13, 2017, 10:21:10 AM
Maxie

Once we went DTS and removed the glass from our exposure unit 99% of pin holes went away, so much so we do not even check for them prior to printing. I know you are trying to take your business to the next level a DTS will get you there so much quicker. As so many have expressed here the DTS has so many great things to better your production, many are small benefits on there own but cumulatively they are a game changer indeed.
Title: Re: Checking for pinholes
Post by: 3Deep on July 13, 2017, 11:13:39 AM
I just got done cleaning our exposure glass because we were getting to many pinholes and I'm thinking most of them are coming from our dirty glass, but I just hold my screens up to the light see just about everything.
Title: Re: Checking for pinholes
Post by: Prince Art on July 13, 2017, 12:24:59 PM
I also just hold screens up to the light, or toward an open door.

Dirty glass is probably the number 1 source of ongoing pinholes. Second thing to watch is where you place your screens between reclaim & coat. Dust can often get on them in seemingly not-so-dirty places; all the more if they dry outside or near the floor. Before coating, I give screens a quick, light brush-off on each side, which helps remove bits of dust. With that, clean glass, and photopolymer emulsion, we rarely get pinholes.
Title: Re: Checking for pinholes
Post by: Maxie on July 13, 2017, 01:34:20 PM
I was waiting for th DTS solution, sounds great it's a big investment right now.
Our holes are definitely from dust on the glass.
I set up a upright light today,bought a LED panel, I'll post photographs.
Title: Re: Checking for pinholes
Post by: ABuffington on July 14, 2017, 02:41:35 PM
Coating too fast can also be a huge issue as it imparts bubbles behind the mesh knuckles that may not be visible now, but will breakthrough during printing.
Title: Re: Checking for pinholes
Post by: tonypep on July 14, 2017, 02:43:43 PM
This is quite true of course, especially with mid to low mesh counts
Title: Re: Checking for pinholes
Post by: Frog on July 14, 2017, 03:03:36 PM
Coating too fast can also be a huge issue as it imparts bubbles behind the mesh knuckles that may not be visible now, but will breakthrough during printing.

Absolutely true, but "bubble breakouts" , like fisheyes, are completely different screen making problems than pinholes, which are usually related to dust after coating, as pointed out.
I know that in some operations where we had housekeeping problems, we used tack rags to ensure that the screens themselves were cleaned before coating to prevent the delayed pinhole effect as these dust spots would break through during the run.