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screen printing => General Screen Printing => Topic started by: Logoman on November 14, 2018, 10:54:01 AM

Title: Print Location?
Post by: Logoman on November 14, 2018, 10:54:01 AM
Does anyone have a chart or something to show New Printers where to print the crest or Back, ect. ?
Title: Re: Print Location?
Post by: Frog on November 14, 2018, 11:52:27 AM
Here's a slightly updated version of the chart I have shared for many years.
Interestingly, this method of positioning the pocket (or crest) was within a fraction of an inch when compared to one of those that used the collar and shoulder seams as the references.
Title: Re: Print Location?
Post by: whitewater on November 14, 2018, 12:58:07 PM
Ive had this exact one taped to my wall for about 10 years...LOL
Title: Re: Print Location?
Post by: Frog on November 14, 2018, 01:31:10 PM
Ive had this exact one taped to my wall for about 10 years...LOL

Me too! LOL!
Except, not this exact one, as I have made a few changes (though none to actual measurements). Just a title, and the addition of a few words for clarification.
Title: Re: Print Location?
Post by: Sbrem on November 14, 2018, 04:29:37 PM
Here's a slightly updated version of the chart I have shared for many years.
Interestingly, this method of positioning the pocket (or crest) was within a fraction of an inch when compared to one of those that used the collar and shoulder seams as the references.


Is that 4" from the center to the left edge of the image, or the center of the image? We use the center here.

Steve
Title: Re: Print Location?
Post by: Frog on November 14, 2018, 04:50:43 PM
Here's a slightly updated version of the chart I have shared for many years.
Interestingly, this method of positioning the pocket (or crest) was within a fraction of an inch when compared to one of those that used the collar and shoulder seams as the references.


Is that 4" from the center to the left edge of the image, or the center of the image? We use the center here.

Steve

C'mon Steve, I even made the word "center" bold!
Title: Re: Print Location?
Post by: mooseman on November 14, 2018, 08:33:50 PM
I struggle with this all the time. What i have reduced this to is to print the left chest image on paper stick it to my tee shirt and jump in front of a mirror. Move it up down left right about 100 times till I think it looks OK??????????
I wear a large tee so that size is my basis. When I think it looks OK  :P I measure it off set from center and down from my collar reference.
So lets say for any given graphic I get a measurement of 3 1/2 off center and 4 inches down to some point of reference on the design.
From there i typically make size corrections as follows
On a medium I use 3 1/4 off x 3 1/2 down
for Xlarge 3 3/4 off and 4 to 4 1/4 down
2xl 4 off X 4 1/2 down
3xl 4 1/4 off x 4 1/2 to 5 down.
Basically for the most part add 1/4 going up in size and subtract  1/4 inch going down in size from my base measurement on my large tee shirt.
At the end of it all I have no clue if this is correct or not but I have not received any complaints form any customers.
it also allows me to judge how different size left chest logos look on my shirt.
For example I would locate a logo that is @ 3.75 wide 2 inches high differently than if it were 3.75 x 3.75 inches.
That is no qualification or standard however as i see left chest logos all over the place , high , low under the arm pit to mention a few I can't be too far from the world. With my method I generally end up somewhere in the ball park but it is a big park.
mooseman
Title: Re: Print Location?
Post by: screenxpress on November 14, 2018, 09:54:53 PM
I've had one very similar to Andy's hanging on my wall, but gives me a little more in print size 'range' selection.

Title: Re: Print Location?
Post by: Maxie on November 14, 2018, 11:40:08 PM
What do you do when you have pocket prints on adult unisex t shirts and also on women’s shirts and large children’s sizes?
The position on the adult t shirts is correct but the others are a bit to the left when worn.     
Title: Re: Print Location?
Post by: screenxpress on November 14, 2018, 11:56:18 PM
I don't do a lot of pocket prints, but I tend to follow the "Horizontal Placement" which says 3.5 inches from the center of the shirt to the center of the design.

I think larger people have most of the "extra" width on the outer edges so using the offset from the center line should pretty much accommodate all sizes.  We all have a "middle". 

However, I suppose there could be some "drift" to allow between XL and XXXXL.

Just my thoughts.
Title: Re: Print Location?
Post by: Stinkhorn Press on November 15, 2018, 09:16:48 AM
left chest and right chest:

LEFT TO RIGHT:
line the center of the art up with the outer edge of the neckline hem (of a standard crewneck neckline).
draw a line straight down from where the neck would come out the shirt. that's your art center.
this is way easier than a measurement from center as it automatically adjusts for ALL sizes.
if the garment isn't a crew neck - simply imagine where the crewneck hem would be.

Title: Re: Print Location?
Post by: Frog on November 15, 2018, 09:33:55 AM
What do you do when you have pocket prints on adult unisex t shirts and also on women’s shirts and large children’s sizes?
The position on the adult t shirts is correct but the others are a bit to the left when worn.     

Ladies sizes I adjust as if 2 sizes smaller (1/2")
Youth, 1"
Title: Re: Print Location?
Post by: Prince Art on November 15, 2018, 12:27:40 PM
line the center of the art up with the outer edge of the neckline hem (of a standard crewneck neckline).

Nice tip! I now want to try this to see how it works out.
Title: Re: Print Location?
Post by: screenxpress on November 15, 2018, 12:51:58 PM
I liked that too and updated mine.
Title: Re: Print Location?
Post by: tonypep on November 15, 2018, 02:22:06 PM
Important to know size and shape of graphic as well as garment. But these are good guidelines for the basic stuff
Title: Re: Print Location?
Post by: Frog on November 15, 2018, 03:03:35 PM
Important to know size and shape of graphic as well as garment. But these are good guidelines for the basic stuff

So true. In the end, it's always what looks right, not what measures right!
Also, tanks and some V-Necks dictate where something goes, charts and guidelines be damned!
Title: Re: Print Location?
Post by: Dottonedan on November 15, 2018, 08:37:04 PM
What do you do when you have pocket prints on adult unisex t shirts and also on women’s shirts and large children’s sizes?
The position on the adult t shirts is correct but the others are a bit to the left when worn.     

If using a DTS output, it will land in the exact same location all the time (unless the artist were to move it manually in a template or document).
Then you would adjust (per size and garment style) on the pallet when loading.  It would not be a drastic adjustment.
Title: Re: Print Location?
Post by: Sbrem on November 16, 2018, 10:42:48 AM
Here's a slightly updated version of the chart I have shared for many years.
Interestingly, this method of positioning the pocket (or crest) was within a fraction of an inch when compared to one of those that used the collar and shoulder seams as the references.


Is that 4" from the center to the left edge of the image, or the center of the image? We use the center here.

Steve



C'mon Steve, I even made the word "center" bold!

D-oh!

Steve
Title: Re: Print Location?
Post by: Shanarchy on November 16, 2018, 03:44:22 PM
I've had one very similar to Andy's hanging on my wall, but gives me a little more in print size 'range' selection.

I've been using this one as my default and have Frog's for a backup.
Title: Re: Print Location?
Post by: Maff on November 18, 2018, 08:38:07 AM
left chest and right chest:

LEFT TO RIGHT:
line the center of the art up with the outer edge of the neckline hem (of a standard crewneck neckline).
draw a line straight down from where the neck would come out the shirt. that's your art center.
this is way easier than a measurement from center as it automatically adjusts for ALL sizes.
if the garment isn't a crew neck - simply imagine where the crewneck hem would be.
This is how we do it as well for left chest prints. We move the print a little higher for smalls, and a little lower for XLs

We don't have exact measurements written down anywhere, we just look at the first couple prints and put it on the mannequin and make sure it looks correct, we have lasers on the boards to mark where the collar is (or sometimes just put the collar down 1 or 2 fingers ???? )
But I'm gonna need to make a chart like you guys have since I hope at some point soon we can hire a printer and we should really have some measurements to reference
Title: Re: Print Location?
Post by: Frog on November 18, 2018, 10:33:33 AM
left chest and right chest:

LEFT TO RIGHT:
line the center of the art up with the outer edge of the neckline hem (of a standard crewneck neckline).
draw a line straight down from where the neck would come out the shirt. that's your art center.
this is way easier than a measurement from center as it automatically adjusts for ALL sizes.
if the garment isn't a crew neck - simply imagine where the crewneck hem would be.
This is how we do it as well for left chest prints. We move the print a little higher for smalls, and a little lower for XLs

We don't have exact measurements written down anywhere, we just look at the first couple prints and put it on the mannequin and make sure it looks correct, we have lasers on the boards to mark where the collar is (or sometimes just put the collar down 1 or 2 fingers ???? )
But I'm gonna need to make a chart like you guys have since I hope at some point soon we can hire a printer and we should really have some measurements to reference

With the pocket/breast/crest prints, I think that for those using lasers, the seams on conventional shirts seem like great reference targets, and as I said, when we compared this method and the actual measurements I use, found them very close.
When I do have shirts with non-standard collars, I place one over a standard shirt and note the difference, and then adjust the position target accordingly. This would work with both rulers and pencil marks, or lasers.