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Title: Need Advice - Picking Up A New (to me) Manual Press
Post by: easyrider1340 on January 21, 2020, 08:48:05 AM
Picking up an M&R Chameleon - location only has a dock door.   I’ve got a 18’ utility trailer. 

My only thought is to rent a forklift to get from dock height to ground level, in order to put on a pallet jack and push into the trailer.  Load is 1400 lbs or so.  Sucks to pay day rate for 1-2mins work. 

Any other options that I’m not thinking off?  Thanks!


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Title: Re: Need Advice - Picking Up A New (to me) Manual Press
Post by: ThePrinter on January 21, 2020, 09:28:48 AM
See if they have a neighbor that has a forklift and ask them if they are willing and pay them.
Title: Re: Need Advice - Picking Up A New (to me) Manual Press
Post by: Mr Tees!! on January 21, 2020, 10:00:11 AM
Towing company....call in a flatbed wrecker. They pull the crate with the pallet jack onto the bed, tilt the bed flat, then line wrecker up with trailer and pull crate in. Ive done several shipments this way. In fact, it earned us a towing comapny as a client!
Title: Re: Need Advice - Picking Up A New (to me) Manual Press
Post by: Croft on January 21, 2020, 11:16:21 AM
why not break it down , I picked up my 6/6 chameleon in a pickup truck and can't remember it being an issue or taking long.
Title: Re: Need Advice - Picking Up A New (to me) Manual Press
Post by: easyrider1340 on January 21, 2020, 11:34:26 AM
why not break it down , I picked up my 6/6 chameleon in a pickup truck and can't remember it being an issue or taking long.
I’ve considered that - this is an 8/8.  How heavy is the carousel?
Title: Re: Need Advice - Picking Up A New (to me) Manual Press
Post by: easyrider1340 on January 21, 2020, 11:44:05 AM
Towing company....call in a flatbed wrecker. They pull the crate with the pallet jack onto the bed, tilt the bed flat, then line wrecker up with trailer and pull crate in. Ive done several shipments this way. In fact, it earned us a towing comapny as a client!
Thanks for that.   
Seems like that would cost about same as a forklift day rental??   Forklift would probably be quicker too?
Title: Re: Need Advice - Picking Up A New (to me) Manual Press
Post by: Sbrem on January 21, 2020, 12:29:25 PM
If you take it apart, be sure it can be put back together properly; I know with their autos,  you really need and M&R tech to put it together or it won't be right...

Steve
Title: Re: Need Advice - Picking Up A New (to me) Manual Press
Post by: easyrider1340 on January 21, 2020, 12:35:07 PM
If you take it apart, be sure it can be put back together properly; I know with their autos,  you really need and M&R tech to put it together or it won't be right...

Steve
Should I call M&R to ask about that?   
Title: Re: Need Advice - Picking Up A New (to me) Manual Press
Post by: Croft on January 21, 2020, 12:35:55 PM
why not break it down , I picked up my 6/6 chameleon in a pickup truck and can't remember it being an issue or taking long.
I’ve considered that - this is an 8/8.  How heavy is the carousel?

pretty sure i took off each head , then separated the carousel from the base, I was by myself and the owner helped me pick it up.
Title: Re: Need Advice - Picking Up A New (to me) Manual Press
Post by: Croft on January 21, 2020, 12:38:17 PM
each pallet arm has a number stamped  in it that corresponds to the base also has pegs for alignment, I would number the heads but I think they can move around.
Title: Re: Need Advice - Picking Up A New (to me) Manual Press
Post by: gotshirtz001 on January 21, 2020, 04:52:19 PM
I’ve moved several of these and broken them down in varying degrees to make it work. I generally use a pallet jack and a ramp trailer. PM me if you’d like to chat.


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Title: Need Advice - Picking Up A New (to me) Manual Press
Post by: gotshirtz001 on January 21, 2020, 04:53:06 PM
each pallet arm has a number stamped  in it that corresponds to the base also has pegs for alignment, I would number the heads but I think they can move around.
Heads are also stamped/drilled to match the carousel


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Title: Re: Need Advice - Picking Up A New (to me) Manual Press
Post by: easyrider1340 on January 21, 2020, 05:13:27 PM
I’ve moved several of these and broken them down in varying degrees to make it work. I generally use a pallet jack and a ramp trailer. PM me if you’d like to chat.


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Thank you.  We will have a pallet jack, but the 4’ drop from dock door to ground level is my concern. 

Someone else suggested a ramp from dock height to trailer, but I’m not liking that idea.  Lol
Title: Need Advice - Picking Up A New (to me) Manual Press
Post by: gotshirtz001 on January 21, 2020, 07:53:56 PM
Ohhhhhh gotcha. The base is about 42-43”. No double door leading to an exterior walkway, huh?

I have also used 10’ sections of 4x6 to make a slide from one level to the next. I’ll draw a pic and post. $45 in lumber is definitely worth it.


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Title: Need Advice - Picking Up A New (to me) Manual Press
Post by: gotshirtz001 on January 21, 2020, 08:02:39 PM
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1. Place Chameleon at edge having removed arms and heads.

2. Place 4x6x10 (two or three) under the base just far enough to catch rear base tube. The feet should straddle the 4x6 and be riding on the base tubes. Consider 12’ sections if you want a less extreme angle.

3. Lever your 4x6 sections down til they reach the trailer.

4. Slide Chameleon down the ramp.

5. Drink a beer.

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Title: Re: Need Advice - Picking Up A New (to me) Manual Press
Post by: KevinD on January 22, 2020, 07:49:05 AM
Can you request it delivered by a truck with a lift gate? Usually a little extra but less then a lift rental.
Title: Re: Need Advice - Picking Up A New (to me) Manual Press
Post by: easyrider1340 on January 22, 2020, 09:35:14 AM
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1. Place Chameleon at edge having removed arms and heads.

2. Place 4x6x10 (two or three) under the base just far enough to catch rear base tube. The feet should straddle the 4x6 and be riding on the base tubes. Consider 12’ sections if you want a less extreme angle.

3. Lever your 4x6 sections down til they reach the trailer.

4. Slide Chameleon down the ramp.

5. Drink a beer.

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I’ve considered that option too!


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Title: Re: Need Advice - Picking Up A New (to me) Manual Press
Post by: Mr Tees!! on January 22, 2020, 09:35:49 AM
Towing company....call in a flatbed wrecker. They pull the crate with the pallet jack onto the bed, tilt the bed flat, then line wrecker up with trailer and pull crate in. Ive done several shipments this way. In fact, it earned us a towing comapny as a client!
Thanks for that.   
Seems like that would cost about same as a forklift day rental??   Forklift would probably be quicker too?

Tow truck for us was only $50-60. They were happy to take that fee for zero mileage and 10 min total time.

Day rental on a forklift here was near $300, and had to be reserved days ahead based on availability, so the time factor wasnt optimal for that either.
Title: Re: Need Advice - Picking Up A New (to me) Manual Press
Post by: easyrider1340 on January 22, 2020, 09:36:43 AM
Can you request it delivered by a truck with a lift gate? Usually a little extra but less then a lift rental.
Well, delivery cuts in to the good deal I got. 
I was planning to go to Nashville next weekend to see some friends, so I figured it was a good opportunity to break up the drive.  So I’m picking it up myself. 
Title: Re: Need Advice - Picking Up A New (to me) Manual Press
Post by: Croft on January 22, 2020, 09:44:19 AM
dock to trailer via SLIDE is a BAD idea, they are heavy , we cant slide our 6 colour around it needs to be picked up with a pallet mover.
Title: Re: Need Advice - Picking Up A New (to me) Manual Press
Post by: easyrider1340 on January 22, 2020, 10:14:58 AM
dock to trailer via SLIDE is a BAD idea, they are heavy , we cant slide our 6 colour around it needs to be picked up with a pallet mover.
Seems like a “hold my beer” moment.   ...I am from KY.  Lol
Title: Need Advice - Picking Up A New (to me) Manual Press
Post by: gotshirtz001 on January 22, 2020, 11:59:57 AM
Cool, bros... just offering some options for someone who was asking. Everyone should work within their comfort level. It seemed like the primary goal was to save money. Renting a Ryder truck with a lift gate from start to finish (eliminate the trailer altogether) is the easiest option and should be about $120.


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Title: Re: Need Advice - Picking Up A New (to me) Manual Press
Post by: easyrider1340 on January 22, 2020, 12:31:55 PM
Cool, bros... just offering some options for someone who was asking. Everyone should work within their comfort level. It seemed like the primary goal was to save money. Renting a Ryder truck with a lift gate from start to finish (eliminate the trailer altogether) is the easiest option and should be about $120.


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Appreciate the suggestions.  Saving money is not the objective - avoiding unnecessary cost is one of the objectives.   I asked because material handling is not my forte - so keep the options coming!  :-)
Title: Re: Need Advice - Picking Up A New (to me) Manual Press
Post by: ebscreen on January 22, 2020, 12:38:40 PM
Second or third for the tilt bed wrecker. Those guys like the change of pace.

Didn't see how far you have to go but if it ain't much might be worth having them take it there for you.
Title: Re: Need Advice - Picking Up A New (to me) Manual Press
Post by: easyrider1340 on January 22, 2020, 12:41:20 PM
Second or third for the tilt bed wrecker. Those guys like the change of pace.

Didn't see how far you have to go but if it ain't much might be worth having them take it there for you.
Picking up in GA, hauling to W KY.   About 6 hours.
That might be the most cost effective solution. 
Title: Re: Need Advice - Picking Up A New (to me) Manual Press
Post by: ebscreen on January 22, 2020, 12:53:57 PM
Picking up in GA, hauling to W KY.   About 6 hours.
That might be the most cost effective solution.

Get AAA and call in a broke-down press!
Title: Re: Need Advice - Picking Up A New (to me) Manual Press
Post by: Frog on January 22, 2020, 01:37:06 PM
Picking up in GA, hauling to W KY.   About 6 hours.
That might be the most cost effective solution.

Get AAA and call in a broke-down press!

But, of course, if it was completely "broke down" he could probably deal with it himself.  ;D
Title: Re: Need Advice - Picking Up A New (to me) Manual Press
Post by: easyrider1340 on January 22, 2020, 03:47:56 PM
It must be comedy:30

Lol
Title: Re: Need Advice - Picking Up A New (to me) Manual Press
Post by: Sbrem on January 23, 2020, 12:23:44 PM
If you take it apart, be sure it can be put back together properly; I know with their autos,  you really need and M&R tech to put it together or it won't be right...

Steve
Should I call M&R to ask about that?

It wouldn't hurt, though from the descriptions from those that have done it, it may be simple enough to disassemble. It's just a phone call...

Steve
Title: Re: Need Advice - Picking Up A New (to me) Manual Press
Post by: BrazosDesigns on January 23, 2020, 11:26:42 PM
I attached a schematic I got from M&R when I called about breaking down my Sidewinder 6/6 sideclamp/airlock for crating/shipping.  This should give you an idea of weights of parts for breakdown.

The fun part of crating it was I was the only one doing it.  Took the pallet arms and side clamps off, but was able to lift it with a car jack and some push power onto the 48x48 pallet.  Now it's off to Enterprise, Alabama.

And yes, get a wrecker to do the job for you.....

Title: Re: Need Advice - Picking Up A New (to me) Manual Press
Post by: easyrider1340 on January 24, 2020, 10:06:59 AM
Thank you guys - I’m probably over-thinking this.  But 1400-1500lbs is not something I want to get in the way of. 

I’m going to try and call M&R today. 
Terry
Title: Re: Need Advice - Picking Up A New (to me) Manual Press
Post by: BrazosDesigns on January 24, 2020, 10:19:10 AM
Jose Gonzales at M&R was very helpful about breakdown/crate info when I called.  I also asked if he could send a picture of a crated unit and he came through for me.

Good luck, and let us know how it turns out.   
Title: Re: Need Advice - Picking Up A New (to me) Manual Press
Post by: easyrider1340 on February 10, 2020, 04:10:46 PM
Just to follow up and close this out.  Wife and I made the trek to Atlanta area about a week ago. 

Seller arranged with someone next door to use his forklift.  I ended up taking off all of the pallet arms and 4 of the heads.  Took 3 of us to push it into my enclosed trailer on a pallet jack. 

All strapped in and away we went!

Appreciate the thought provoking advice.


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