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screen printing => Ink and Chemicals => Topic started by: kidink on March 04, 2020, 04:24:07 AM
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Sorry I know this topic has been done to death and probably pops up every other week BUT my main point being here that i'm trying to simpifly my shop and ideally I only want to carry 2 different white plastisols.
1 for underbases
1 for white highlights
How many do you carry and what are your go-tos
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No polys?
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3 whites for us. Sprint 100% cotton, Quick 50/50, Performance LC 100% poly.
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wilflex amazing bright white - daily use for underbase and highlight
union 1070 polywhite - for 100% polyester
we mix the amazing bright white and 1070 polywhite 50/50 and use this on blends/hoodies...
we have sprint white for when we print on 100% cotton and want to avoid leaving ghost images on certain garments (i forget which brand/style).
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Wilflex Quick for everything except Poly
Rutland Super Poly White for Poly
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Wilflex Quick for everything except Poly
Rutland Super Poly White for Poly
Dirk, I used super poly for years but not like the hand of it. Last year I went to Rutland endurance plus white! Much better!
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Wilflex Quick White bases and highlights
Union Sport LC or One Stroke ELTS for poly
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Wilflex quick white for everything except poly and then we use one stroke ELTX white
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Wilflex Amazing White for everything but poly
Onestroke ELTx for bleeders. It's nice to have a white that you can use on 100% cotton or poly. We have a lot of jobs that have both types of shirts in the same order.
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Rutland Super Poly ---> Poly
Rutland SF2 - LB ---->50/50 and others blends
Rutland SF2 - Cotton ---->Cotton
Union Athletic White
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one stroke colormax white or eltx white.
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Wilflex Quick for everything except Poly
Rutland Super Poly White for Poly
Dirk, I used super poly for years but not like the hand of it. Last year I went to Rutland endurance plus white! Much better!
Dirk is a rookie, he likes that hand.... 8)
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Wilflex Quick for everything except Poly
Rutland Super Poly White for Poly
Dirk, I used super poly for years but not like the hand of it. Last year I went to Rutland endurance plus white! Much better!
Dirk is a rookie, he likes that hand.... 8)
LOL, But I don't know him but I do like his name on here!
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One Stroke Hybrid FF Low-Cure White for Cotton to Tri-Blends
One Stroke ELT-X for Poly
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One Stroke ELT-s for bleeders and some poly
International coatings 7022
One Stroke #26
for now anyway LOL
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Wilflex Quick white will ghost on certain 100% cotton colors. Ask how we know.
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Wilflex Quick white will ghost on certain 100% cotton colors. Ask how we know.
Yep, if you're going to use a low bleed on cotton, you need to know for sure that it does not contain bleaching agents.
I always found this promotional article from International Coatings valuable. https://iccink.com/2018/04/26/fabric-discoloration-and-how-to-prevent-it/
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Wilflex Quick white will ghost on certain 100% cotton colors. Ask how we know.
That's a bit scary... How do you know?
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Wilflex Quick for everything except Poly
Rutland Super Poly White for Poly
Dirk, I used super poly for years but not like the hand of it. Last year I went to Rutland endurance plus white! Much better!
Dirk is a rookie, he likes that hand.... 8)
Only when its your hand I am using little man!
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From the attached file.
Pretest Epic Quick White on light colored or stone washed garments. Avoid stacking printed garments hot because such colors are more prone to color distortion. Fabric and dye characteristics can vary between manufacturers and from dye lot to lot.
That's called ghosting. We have tested quick and found that it will ghost. We tested using a 100% cotton light grey tee, which seems to be the worst color, but there are others.
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From the attached file.
Pretest Epic Quick White on light colored or stone washed garments. Avoid stacking printed garments hot because such colors are more prone to color distortion. Fabric and dye characteristics can vary between manufacturers and from dye lot to lot.
That's called ghosting. We have tested quick and found that it will ghost. We tested using a 100% cotton light grey tee, which seems to be the worst color, but there are others.
Thanks that's good to know.
How is Sprint white in comparison to Quick white as far as production on press?
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Sprint has been our cotton white for a few years now. We like it.
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Blends - Wilflex Quick White. Just Got in some of their new Bolt LC White and like it so far. Only thing I have to test and get a feel for is if it can cure at the higher temps for overprint colors in the 300 - 320 range and still hold strong against dye migration.
Cotton - 50/50 Mix of Quick White and Synergy Cotton White.
Poly's - Union Cosmic Poly White ATHP1060, but it's on the chopping block. Don't like the satin finish and used it on some Gildan Tech Performance Tees and bled a little. Need something that stays bright. By the recommendations on here I may try out Rutland Super Poly. I've been seeing that name tossed out quite a bit.
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We use both Sprint & Quick White. But I saw that International Coatings have a new white called Cool White. Might get a 5er to see how it compares to the Wilflex whites we currently use.
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We use both Sprint & Quick White. But I saw that International Coatings have a new white called Cool White. Might get a 5er to see how it compares to the Wilflex whites we currently use.
I switched to the ICC Cool White and like it a lot. I use it on cotton, cotton blends, triblends, and works very well. I print Rio colors on top. I also picked up the ICC Performance Pro white (haven't used it yet) for dri-fit/performance wear - it looks like these two will take care of most of my needs. I still have some Sprint white that I'll keep handy in case I run into any ghosting, but curing at 295-300 hasn't created any issues.
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We use both Sprint & Quick White. But I saw that International Coatings have a new white called Cool White. Might get a 5er to see how it compares to the Wilflex whites we currently use.
I switched to the ICC Cool White and like it a lot. I use it on cotton, cotton blends, triblends, and works very well. I print Rio colors on top. I also picked up the ICC Performance Pro white (haven't used it yet) for dri-fit/performance wear - it looks like these two will take care of most of my needs. I still have some Sprint white that I'll keep handy in case I run into any ghosting, but curing at 295-300 hasn't created any issues.
As noted in the information in link in my previous post, IC low bleed inks do not contain the bleaching agents that contribute to ghosting on white garments. You should be good to go!
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As noted in the information in link in my previous post, IC low bleed inks do not contain the bleaching agents that contribute to ghosting on white garments. You should be good to go!
Thanks for that info about the ICC and bleaching agents. I had one issue with the Cool White on some Port performance shirts (yea, the cheap ones) and it caused a white shadow around the white. Probably had the dryer up too hot for that style, but everything else is spot on.
Guess I'll sell off the Sprint and just have the Cool White and Performance. Just saw that I also picked up the ICC All Pro white, which with a catalyst, is good for nylon, but can also be used with powder for good transfers. Wonder how the All-Pro would work for transfers on cotton and poly/cotton garments.
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btw, be careful with that screen printing product alphabet soup out there, it can be treacherous.
We have
IC -International Coatings, an ink manufacturer
ICC - International Chemical Corporation, auxiliary chemicals for cleaning, etc
CCI - Chemical Consultants Incorporated, emulsions and cleaning chemicals
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We use both Sprint & Quick White. But I saw that International Coatings have a new white called Cool White. Might get a 5er to see how it compares to the Wilflex whites we currently use.
I switched to the ICC Cool White and like it a lot. I use it on cotton, cotton blends, triblends, and works very well. I print Rio colors on top. I also picked up the ICC Performance Pro white (haven't used it yet) for dri-fit/performance wear - it looks like these two will take care of most of my needs. I still have some Sprint white that I'll keep handy in case I run into any ghosting, but curing at 295-300 hasn't created any issues.
As noted in the information in link in my previous post, IC low bleed inks do not contain the bleaching agents that contribute to ghosting on white garments. You should be good to go!
This is from IC`s website in regard to the Cool White
"Do not hot stack cotton shirts" - i assume this is a precaution to avoid any possibility of ghosting.
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We use both Sprint & Quick White. But I saw that International Coatings have a new white called Cool White. Might get a 5er to see how it compares to the Wilflex whites we currently use.
I switched to the ICC Cool White and like it a lot. I use it on cotton, cotton blends, triblends, and works very well. I print Rio colors on top. I also picked up the ICC Performance Pro white (haven't used it yet) for dri-fit/performance wear - it looks like these two will take care of most of my needs. I still have some Sprint white that I'll keep handy in case I run into any ghosting, but curing at 295-300 hasn't created any issues.
As noted in the information in link in my previous post, IC low bleed inks do not contain the bleaching agents that contribute to ghosting on white garments. You should be good to go!
This is from IC`s website in regard to the Cool White
"Do not hot stack cotton shirts" - i assume this is a precaution to avoid any possibility of ghosting.
Good catch. looks like Cool, with its lower cure temps, may be a different formula than the low bleeds they had when that article i linked was written years ago.
Might be the time to go back to thinking cotton whites for cotton, and the lower cure temp Cool White for poly blends. Myself, I'm running their Legacy 7014 low bleed (which carries no such warning) on both 50/50 and cotton.
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One Stroke Hybrid FF Low-Cure White for Cotton to Tri-Blends
One Stroke ELT-X for Poly
Kirkwad....why do you use the ELT-X over the ELT-S
Currently using One Stroke Hybrid & ELT-S.
I may look into the Hybrid Low-Cure. It should play nice with the Rio mixing colors at 280 deg.
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One Stroke Hybrid FF Low-Cure White for Cotton to Tri-Blends
One Stroke ELT-X for Poly
Kirkwad....why do you use the ELT-X over the ELT-S
Currently using One Stroke Hybrid & ELT-S.
I may look into the Hybrid Low-Cure. It should play nice with the Rio mixing colors at 280 deg.
We get a lot of orders that'll have 100% cotton all the way to 100% Poly & we weren't happy with the fiber matte-down of the ELT-S on non-poly garments. The ELT-X has great fiber matte-down & can take a flattener screen well.
We use the RIO system for pantone matching & everything plays nice together with top colors & low-cure.
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btw, be careful with that screen printing product alphabet soup out there, it can be treacherous.
We have
IC -International Coatings, an ink manufacturer
ICC - International Chemical Corporation, auxiliary chemicals for cleaning, etc
CCI - Chemical Consultants Incorporated, emulsions and cleaning chemicals
As well as emulsions and cleaning chemicals we also make inks; discharge and a new plastisol range.
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btw, be careful with that screen printing product alphabet soup out there, it can be treacherous.
We have
IC -International Coatings, an ink manufacturer
ICC - International Chemical Corporation, auxiliary chemicals for cleaning, etc
CCI - Chemical Consultants Incorporated, emulsions and cleaning chemicals
As well as emulsions and cleaning chemicals we also make inks; discharge and a new plastisol range.
Duly noted! ;)
And, for the record, I'm still trying to straighten out Steely Dan, Steeleye Span, and Stealer's Wheel