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screen printing => Equipment => Topic started by: alan802 on January 09, 2012, 06:55:00 PM
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Our new dryer is on it's way to our shop as of today. After much deliberation and consideration, we decided to buy a new dryer to help us move onward and upward. We will be doubling our production capabilities with plastisol and tripling with discharge/waterbase. Our old dryer could have likely lasted another 20 years but it was very inefficient and was beginning to have more and more electrical gremlins popping up. A few years ago if we were down for a day or two, we could catch back up in the same amount of time, but if we were down for a day this past year, we would have been in real trouble and it could have cost us dearly. Plus the amount of money we are going to be paying per month is likely going to be offset by the savings we will have in electricity and gas. Our dryer now is responsible for about 80% of our $1100-1200/month electricity bill and that should drop considerably since we'll be getting rid of those radiant panels running at 900 degrees for 9 hours a day.
We ended up getting an M&R Sprint International, 60" belt width, 8' infeed/outfeed and 12' heat chamber. I cannot wait to see what this thing has and I'll be taking many pics of the install and I look forward to giving a straight up and honest review of the dryer. I think it is going to be one hell of a piece of equipment and it will fit right in next to our auto and will put us in a category of shop that is truly lucky to have such great equipment. We are blessed to be able to come to work and operate the machines that we have and I hope to never take it for granted. I'd like to thank Rich Hoffman for taking the time out of his busy days to help us decide which dryer would be best for us and the whole crew at M&R has been great to work with. Monty Bartel and Jose Tejada did a great job of communicating with me and helping me get everything ready on my end. This is the first piece of equipment for us to buy from M&R and the way the transaction and business went down makes me think it won't be the last. There is a damn good reason why they are what they are and I appreciate that kind of service and look forward to using their equipment to the fullest of it's capabilities.
Thanks to M&R and Rich Hoffman.
Pics will be here soon after I open that trailer door. I've said this a few times before but there is no better day at a screen printing shop than getting a major piece of equipment. I can't wait.
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Alan,
After a 20 year old dryer anything will save you money on running costs. Make sure to keep track of the power usage and gas usage. I am really interested in seeing that. I have a 52 inch wide belt electric dryer now and I am thinking about going with a gas dryer in the next year or so. I think the M&R dryer are really nice. Sounds like you got a monster 8’ in 12’ of heat and 8’ out? Or is that 4’ in and 4’ out. I don't know what insulation they use but the tops are very cool to the touch. Sounds like a fun new toy.
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Will it be installed by the time you do the workshop?
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We ended up getting an M&R Sprint International, 60" belt width, 8' infeed/outfeed and 12' heat chamber.
Boo YAA!!
you are going to LOVE IT!
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...Alan....i am dangerously close to signing a lease on a bigger building, and am thinkin it might be time to upgrade to a gas dryer too while I'm movin. Ive got my eye on that Boomerang they have as a demo, but I kinda have some needs and questions about it. Did you just call Rich directly? Thats kinda how I would feel better about making this leap. Rich, If you read this, is that cool to do?
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...oh, and where are my damn manners?
...CONGRATS Alan!!
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Congratulations! One more step to optimum efficiency. It must be very rewarding to afford one and it save you money at the same time.
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One more sign that Alan is not dumb.
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Dude your gonna love it. We love our sprint, just set it and forget it. We use to have a little electric ranar with 4 feet of heat. Our gas sprint with 8 feet of heat costs us WAY less to run. It's one of our favorite pieces of equipment!
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Congrats Alan!
Very happy for you guys. Best wishes this year!
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Any customer can call me anytime Mr. Tees. My office number is 800-736-6431 and cell is 630-240-9076. You can also e-mail me at rich.hoffman@ mrprint.com with your phone number and I will call you. Also congratulations Alan on your new purchase. There is something extra that comes with that dryer I didn't tell you about but you will figure it out after the first couple days!
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Any customer can call me anytime Mr. Tees. My office number is 800-736-6431 and cell is 630-240-9076. You can also e-mail me at rich.hoffman@ mrprint.com with your phone number and I will call you. Also congratulations Alan on your new purchase. There is something extra that comes with that dryer I didn't tell you about but you will figure it out after the first couple days!
I can't wait to fire it up. Everyone here has no idea what's coming, they just think we are getting a new dryer and it's going to be just like our old one, but they'll be pleasantly surprised.
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The dryer will be here first thing Monday morning. I've got the forklift coming tomorrow afternoon and we will be breaking down our old dryer and moving it out of the way. I can't wait to start taking some pics of all the action.
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Pretty jealous! I'm seriously considering upgrading when I have my gas line put in in two weeks. Had pricing from Interchange but also will get pricing from M&R. Take pics and post them!!
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Pretty jealous! I'm seriously considering upgrading when I have my gas line put in in two weeks. Had pricing from Interchange but also will get pricing from M&R. Take pics and post them!!
There is an interchange coming to town in a few weeks so I'll go take a look at it for you if you haven't been up close and personal with one. I haven't seen one in person yet and even though we didn't buy one I'd like to know what kind of dryer they are.
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That'd be great. I'm interested to hear a comparison as I'm basing my opinion off of what I read from users. Don't have time to go to a show and don't feel like I'd learn enough to make it worth a trip. I know it sounds petty, but I'm interested in how loud the fans are while running as I'm a one man show and I answer the phone a lot in the shop.
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That'd be great. I'm interested to hear a comparison as I'm basing my opinion off of what I read from users. Don't have time to go to a show and don't feel like I'd learn enough to make it worth a trip. I know it sounds petty, but I'm interested in how loud the fans are while running as I'm a one man show and I answer the phone a lot in the shop.
No disrespect but this is way too big of a dryer for any one man/woman shop. It is very quit but is rated at 2400 shirts per hour. Look at our Heatwave which is also very quite and only rated for 500 per hour.
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That'd be great. I'm interested to hear a comparison as I'm basing my opinion off of what I read from users. Don't have time to go to a show and don't feel like I'd learn enough to make it worth a trip. I know it sounds petty, but I'm interested in how loud the fans are while running as I'm a one man show and I answer the phone a lot in the shop.
No disrespect but this is way too big of a dryer for any one man/woman shop. It is very quit but is rated at 2400 shirts per hour. Look at our Heatwave which is also very quite and only rated for 500 per hour.
something else to think about is the Boomerang. For a one man show, it might be beneficial to have the shirts come back to where they started. They are a little bit more money though. Somebody here is using one, I think it was Graphic Disorder. See if you can get some feedback from him. I don't have one, but did order it a couple of years back. My financing did not go through, so we did not get it in the end. . .
pierre
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I printed with a M&R Sprint dryer...brand new... with electric bank assets and an air knife on exit.
Alan you will love that dryer. And I could not ever get ahead of it from a 10 color sportsman and 2 manuals.
Use cloves on pick up if off the belt.
The damn thing even cools its self down and cuts its self off.
Very Nice dryer. Rich.
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I think it was Graphic Disorder. See if you can get some feedback from him. I don't have one, but did order it a couple of years back. My financing did not go through, so we did not get it in the end. . .
pierre
Ya we have the Boomerang, great dryer, its perfect for us. It's not big enough to run two presses from or anything like that, but it handles our sporty just fine. We do not use it in return mode though, just never had a need yet, but will be handy if we ever get into discharge and such which I am sure we will.
It has the nice auto cool down as well, man that is nice to have. We pull the final shirt off of it, flip it off, flip off the press and lock the shop up and leave all of the time. Really slick.
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That'd be great. I'm interested to hear a comparison as I'm basing my opinion off of what I read from users. Don't have time to go to a show and don't feel like I'd learn enough to make it worth a trip. I know it sounds petty, but I'm interested in how loud the fans are while running as I'm a one man show and I answer the phone a lot in the shop.
No disrespect but this is way too big of a dryer for any one man/woman shop. It is very quit but is rated at 2400 shirts per hour. Look at our Heatwave which is also very quite and only rated for 500 per hour.
None taken. I know his dryer is for high output and would be beyond what I would need. I'm looking to get a dryer that can keep up with discharge printing when I'm running at full speed right now, and when I have people helping for big orders. I haven't run with a loader and unloader because I know my dryer won't be able to keep up.
For reference today I'm running 33dz/hr alone and emptying the catch bucket as needed. Interchange recommended a 48" 8' heat at 6-7 feet per minute. I don't now how that translates into pieces per hour though. Would a heatwave with 36" belt keep up with that? I was thinking 48" belt minimum as I don't want to under-size the dryer or run anything through twice so I'm thinking 800/hr waterbased would be ideal for me and my future needs.
At any rate I'll be contacting you for a quote but this may help people in the future who are trying to get an idea of dryer size for their own applications.
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That'd be great. I'm interested to hear a comparison as I'm basing my opinion off of what I read from users. Don't have time to go to a show and don't feel like I'd learn enough to make it worth a trip. I know it sounds petty, but I'm interested in how loud the fans are while running as I'm a one man show and I answer the phone a lot in the shop.
No disrespect but this is way too big of a dryer for any one man/woman shop. It is very quit but is rated at 2400 shirts per hour. Look at our Heatwave which is also very quite and only rated for 500 per hour.
None taken. I know his dryer is for high output and would be beyond what I would need. I'm looking to get a dryer that can keep up with discharge printing when I'm running at full speed right now, and when I have people helping for big orders. I haven't run with a loader and unloader because I know my dryer won't be able to keep up.
For reference today I'm running 33dz/hr alone and emptying the catch bucket as needed. Interchange recommended a 48" 8' heat at 6-7 feet per minute. I don't now how that translates into pieces per hour though. Would a heatwave with 36" belt keep up with that? I was thinking 48" belt minimum as I don't want to under-size the dryer or run anything through twice so I'm thinking 800/hr waterbased would be ideal for me and my future needs.
At any rate I'll be contacting you for a quote but this may help people in the future who are trying to get an idea of dryer size for their own applications.
If you are planning to do a lot of discharge look into the 38"Mini-Sprint with 10' of heat. You can easily run discharge through it at a fast speed.
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Congrats Alan... your shop is going to be even prettier. Can't wait for the pics. I love M&R dryers. I'd like my next dryer to be a Radicure or a Mini Sprint if we go with gas.
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I'll be posting pics in the morning. I unloaded our old dryer on a flatbed wrecker about 20 minutes ago to take to the buyer's shop so we are ready for the new one. Moving a big ass dryer like the one we had really wasn't near as difficult as I thought it would be. It took us 20 minutes to get it ready to move, just detaching the gas line and electricity, along with the air ducting and we were done. The forklift handled it easily and the whole process took 30 minutes and we were screwing around having fun while doing it. I've got to get everything cleaned and ready for the sprint but we've got time to get that done. I'm ready to uncrate this son of a gun and fire it up!!!
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The damn thing even cools its self down and cuts its self off.
One of, if not, the best thing to ever happen with dryers next to the cool skin technology.
All those years of 20-30 min waits for a dryer to cool off before you could throw the disconnect and go home..
now.. push the OFF button and go home.
Oh yeah.. anyone thinking of doing discharge in a Heatwave R.. don't do it. The squirrel blower is to small to handle the level of moisture, fumes and lint generated from the discharge process.
It can handle 500 pcs of plastisol easliy.. you'll be lucky to do 300pcs an hour when you print full size front discharge. I spent many a day waiting for space on the belt to lay the shirt.
I know this because I had to clean the cage after it was so encrusted the dryer would no longer even fire up. After a cleaning, it ran at new for a month until I had to back off the gas pressure as it started to fail again.
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Here we go boys. I'm waiting on Equipment Depot to drop off the pallet jack I ordered 3 days ago that was supposed to come with the forklift but they forgot it. I told them the truck would be here early and I needed the jack by 8AM at the latest and it's not here yet.
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Enjoy Alan....
Post more pictures when you can!
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Very nice. Moar pics!!
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The two times I've rented a forklift and a pallet jack they've forgotten the pallet jack. Weird.
Congratulations Alan. I think the most amazing thing about new dryers/M&R is how cool the
outside stays. Just amazing. Fire her up!
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The two times I've rented a forklift and a pallet jack they've forgotten the pallet jack. Weird.
Congratulations Alan. I think the most amazing thing about new dryers/M&R is how cool the
outside stays. Just amazing. Fire her up!
I lean on mine all of the time!
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Update: I've been over-thinking the new location all morning and I guess I'm just going to put it in exactly where the old dryer was. I really wanted to put the dryer in the location that it will need to be whenever we buy another auto. I ran that idea by everyone from the owner to my screen prep guy and the majority vote was to put the dryer in the same location as the old one. What sucks the most is the 2 guys (me and my printer) were for putting the dryer in a new location so that when we do get auto #2, we just set it down where it needs to be and then we'll be done. Now when we get the new auto, we will have to move the old auto, the new dryer and the new auto to different locations and also move the electrical wiring along with the gas. I guess it's not that big of a deal for everyone else because I doubt any of them will even be working here by the time we install a second auto. The one's still here sure as hell won't be helping me move all that stuff around when the time comes so I should have never gotten anyone else involved but me and my 2 guys.
Another boring pic or two.
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And I got a sneak peek at the other equipment in the truck that was heading to San Antonio. There was 3 chile flashes and a brand new, so beautiful, looked to be at least a 12 color CHALLENGER III!!!!!!! I was drooling all over it. As badass as the machine I unloaded a few minutes earlier is, the one still in the truck was the one I'd trade everything in our shop to get. Some lucky bastard is staring at the best auto out there right now.
Ok, my break is over and I got to get back out there and start putting this damn thing together.
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Not for nothing Alan but if you are the manager for the screen printing side then the drier should have gone where ever you felt best. You were thinking of the future thats what people like you get paid to do if you cannot act on it then whats the point?
I am the manager here and me and the owner but heads constantly about equipment and etc yet I always win out because he eventually defers to me and my better hands on judgement.
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Update: I've been over-thinking the new location all morning and I guess I'm just going to put it in exactly where the old dryer was. I really wanted to put the dryer in the location that it will need to be whenever we buy another auto. I ran that idea by everyone from the owner to my screen prep guy and the majority vote was to put the dryer in the same location as the old one. What sucks the most is the 2 guys (me and my printer) were for putting the dryer in a new location so that when we do get auto #2, we just set it down where it needs to be and then we'll be done. Now when we get the new auto, we will have to move the old auto, the new dryer and the new auto to different locations and also move the electrical wiring along with the gas. I guess it's not that big of a deal for everyone else because I doubt any of them will even be working here by the time we install a second auto. The one's still here sure as hell won't be helping me move all that stuff around when the time comes so I should have never gotten anyone else involved but me and my 2 guys.
Another boring pic or two.
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And I got a sneak peek at the other equipment in the truck that was heading to San Antonio. There was 3 chile flashes and a brand new, so beautiful, looked to be at least a 12 color CHALLENGER III!!!!!!! I was drooling all over it. As badass as the machine I unloaded a few minutes earlier is, the one still in the truck was the one I'd trade everything in our shop to get. Some lucky bastard is staring at the best auto out there right now.
Ok, my break is over and I got to get back out there and start putting this damn thing together.
The one thing I will tell you is position of belt to press is the most important part right now. The unloader of the garment should not have to take a step to deliver the shirt to the belt easily. This usually dictates that the dryer belt is no further than 18-24" away from the unload pallet. The rest won't be as important when it comes to operator fatigue
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Damn, what a day. We are a little more than halfway done with putting it together. I'll take pics in the morning, my phone is dead so I can't do any tonight. Nice little 12 hour day today, but it felt like 4 since I was like a kid on Christmas morning.
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Well then, Merry Christmas!
That sure is a nice present to find under the tree.
I am very happy for you!
winston
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Well then, Merry Christmas!
That sure is a nice present to find under the tree.
I am very happy for you!
winston
That must be a big Christmas tree :)
Congrats Alan
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I love the equipment coming out now. It's so clean and well thought out for the most part. I remember the original "big" dryer we got. There was an asbestos warning on the side...no joke. I can't remember who made it, I'll have to ask my dad. We ditched it in the 90's for a maxi-cure....we ditched that in 2009 for the interchange MD-8.
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The new M&R Sprint Interrnational dryer is assembled and looking good. Now we have to get electricity and the gas attached. Unfortunately I wasn't in control of getting the electricity and gas hooked up so you know where this is going...it didn't get done. I had to make a few phone calls at 3:30 this afternoon when I found out that the one who was in charge of getting one of his "buddies" to come to the shop and extend the lines and that guy was supposed to have a buddy that could do the same thing with the gas line. Hopefully some lessons were learned and I won't have to let others get so involved but it is over and done with and it's a family issue that I shouldn't bore all of you with our drama.
I have to hook up the air output but it's mostly intack from the old dryer so I just need to cut a few feet off the old one. I still haven't put the auto in the perfect location yet but I'll be putting it a lot closer than the old setup. Here are some pics of the almost complete new toy.
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Looks awesome Alan. I would love to have a gas dryer! Where is the envy emoticon?
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Lookin' good buddy!
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Does this one have to Donut Probe that hooks to it??
This is a great feature to have on a dryer.
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Let me stand next to your dryer :)
neat
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Does this one have to Donut Probe that hooks to it??
This is a great feature to have on a dryer.
It does, and that is one feature that I will use the hell out of on this thing. I'm going to use all the job data storage units for all of our major repeat jobs as well. I cannot wait to fire it up. Now I need to come up with a proper name for it. The old dryer was "the dragon".
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The new M&R Sprint Interrnational dryer is assembled and looking good. Now we have to get electricity and the gas attached. Unfortunately I wasn't in control of getting the electricity and gas hooked up so you know where this is going...it didn't get done. I had to make a few phone calls at 3:30 this afternoon when I found out that the one who was in charge of getting one of his "buddies" to come to the shop and extend the lines and that guy was supposed to have a buddy that could do the same thing with the gas line. Hopefully some lessons were learned and I won't have to let others get so involved but it is over and done with and it's a family issue that I shouldn't bore all of you with our drama.
I have to hook up the air output but it's mostly intack from the old dryer so I just need to cut a few feet off the old one. I still haven't put the auto in the perfect location yet but I'll be putting it a lot closer than the old setup. Here are some pics of the almost complete new toy.
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What an awesome dryer!!! congrads
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She's alive. We finally got power and gas ran to the beast and guess what? We turned it on, turned on the burner and within seconds, it fired right up and ran for the next 5 hours without a single issue and held perfect temp and damn is all I got to say. What a piece of equipment. I can't wait to see other manufacturer's dryers to compare this thing, but the few that I have seen couldn't hold this things jock strap, what a freaking tool this is. I am as impressed with this equipment as I was the auto when we got it installed, and that is saying something right there.
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Matt, M&R tech hard at work.
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Thank you Rich Hoffman and M&R crew, you've done a hell of a job here with this dryer and I am very proud to have it in our shop.
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Matt is an incredible tech and an awesome guy! That dryer is beautiful, I'm hoping to install one later this year.
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Your post reminded me on "you-know-who's" posts. A lot of pics of a "blue" equipment. LOL
Dryer looks great, but I could not see where the press is located next to the dryer. I hope it is not too far away :)
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Your post reminded me on "you-know-who's" posts. A lot of pics of a "blue" equipment. LOL
Dryer looks great, but I could not see where the press is located next to the dryer. I hope it is not too far away :)
From the end of the pallet to the edge of the belt, it's 26 inches. Perfect fit, it's about a foot closer than with the old dryer. My printer was a little hesitant with the new distance but I told him to get back with me in a few weeks and if he still doesn't like it, we can move it.
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My bad. I did not even see the press in second-to-last picture.
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I wanted to bring this thread back to the top since getting our latest electricity bill. This is the first full cycle that the dryer was on because the last bill had about one week of the old Texair still running.
DRUM ROLL PLEASE.....................................................................
Old average monthly bill for the screen printing building using a 1991ish, American Texair gas and 3 radiant panels, 48" belt width, 10' long heat chamber................$1150.00
Electricity bill for February with the M&R Sprint International 60" belt width, 12' heat chamber...$496.00
I'll admit, I was nervous when Charlotte was opening that envelope, and the look on her face at first was not good so I was bracing myself for the worst. It turned out that she was not reading it correctly the first time she looked at it then her jaw dropped to the desk and she showed me the bill. I am freaking pumped right now. I need to go find the latest gas bill and compare that too. I'll post back, good or bad, when I find that bill.
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When you do I want to know the ROI on that baby...
sam
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Jesus Alam that easily pays for itself
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A potential $7800 a year. You just paid for the Sidewinder plus a holiday dinner party for the crew.
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Can't ever go wrong with an M&R Sprint. Hello profits! :)
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I'm also thinking that it might be using less gas even though it's significantly bigger than the old texair.
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Alan
that is why I would love to figure out the ROI on that machine...
sounds great..I know we went from our 800's electric bill to around 140 bucks a month and our gas is still only 170ish for the month....we are killing it....plus have a better dryer and bigger dryer
Sam
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I'd be interested in seeing the gas usage just for academic reasons.
A BTU is a BTU and turning energy into heat is pretty simple... obviously it's easy to be wasteful with gas but only when you aren't trying to use it for heat. I'd HOPE that the difference is minimal... if you make commercial gas burners you better know a thing or two about it and make it fairly efficient. Then again, when you got thousands of jets in there if you "cut corners" to save cost that can DEFINITELY get exponentially wasteful and quick!
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I'd think the major difference would be insulation.
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True, I hadn't thought of that... design from that perspective definitely would make a difference.
I was strictly thinking of heat like in a heater like my grandparents had in their old house or a burner on a stove or torch. But in an "oven", especially an "open" one... things do get muddied up in that regard.
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I'd be interested in seeing the gas usage just for academic reasons.
A BTU is a BTU and turning energy into heat is pretty simple... obviously it's easy to be wasteful with gas but only when you aren't trying to use it for heat. I'd HOPE that the difference is minimal... if you make commercial gas burners you better know a thing or two about it and make it fairly efficient. Then again, when you got thousands of jets in there if you "cut corners" to save cost that can DEFINITELY get exponentially wasteful and quick!
The gas consumption on the dryer will be minimal. I estimate his gas bill for the dryer will be about $1.60-$1.80 per running hour which will be around$64-$72.00 per week or $256.00 - $288.00 per month. Just a guess but I won't be far off either way and that electric bill is not just for the dryer. the electric bill for the dryer is less than $100.00 per month.
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Ok, I just averaged the last 10 months gas bill and that came out to $230/mo. The latest gas bill was $176. So we have more production capability, a bigger dryer and no worries of down time and it costs us less in gas. Our gas bill went down $50 so far and obviously I have to have more months to get a good average but right now I'm pumped that it was so much less. I'll keep an eye on the gas bill because typically the summer months are averaging about $170/mo with the old dryer so this could mean the new dryer might be around $125/mo which would kick some ass.
Based simply on the electricity and gas savings, we could pay the dryer off in 3.7 years, but that doesn't include anything else other than the savings we are getting from running the new dryer. If we would have financed the dryer for whatever term, and say our payment was $600/mo, we'd be paying for the dryer with money we saved and still have $100 left over. We actually have something to show for our payments instead of paying the power company all that unnecessary money by running an old, inefficient dryer.
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Even if your gas bill doesn't change a penny you are saving since it's bigger.
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now that is using your head and running a business....it makes zero sense ( and cents ) to keep that old equipment...nice job..
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Great move Alan, will pay for itself in no time and your capabilities are much larger.
M&R should focus on details like this, HINT HINT lol.
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I would definitely display this sort of thing on the m&r site or somewhere.
It sounds like crazy talk when you say the payment on financing a piece like this is the same as the utilities you're wasting with old equip but when you see a real life example it now makes me feel crazy for having old, inefficient, unreliable equip.
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Great move Alan, will pay for itself in no time and your capabilities are much larger.
M&R should focus on details like this, HINT HINT lol.
We do. we have ROI's on just about everything we make.
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I would definitely display this sort of thing on the m&r site or somewhere.
It sounds like crazy talk when you say the payment on financing a piece like this is the same as the utilities you're wasting with old equip but when you see a real life example it now makes me feel crazy for having old, inefficient, unreliable equip.
We tell this to a lot of people but their thought process is we are just trying to sell them something. When a end user states it the difference in response is so drastic we just wait for them to tell others ! LOL! Just kidding.
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I would definitely display this sort of thing on the m&r site or somewhere.
It sounds like crazy talk when you say the payment on financing a piece like this is the same as the utilities you're wasting with old equip but when you see a real life example it now makes me feel crazy for having old, inefficient, unreliable equip.
I knew that there was going to be some savings due to the radiant panels on the Texair, and everyone I talked to said the same thing, but hearing it and actually seeing it are completely different. I worried that it might shave 100-200 off the electricity bill and that I would be disappointed overall but the numbers are literally better than the best case scenario that I was playing out on paper. I knew the texair was drawing some major juice, but I can't believe that the bill was cut in half, and then some.
For all of you shops out there that are running an electrical dryer that could be running gas, this should give you the real world proof that you are looking for. And if anyone would like to see hard copies of these electricity bills for absolute proof that we are getting these kinds of savings then let me know.
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Yeah, those numbers are crazy. Personally, I'm less worried about our texair supporting a manual press or a slow auto as we'll be using either the forced, heated air, middle segment only for wb/discharge or possibly with a panel or two on very low wattage to bump up plastisol prints. To me, given the fact that the texair dryer was insanely cheap, this was the most cost effective route. Running that thing full-on sounds horrifying at 110+ amps of 3phase. Seeing this example now, I'm going to look hard into financing a Heatwave or Sprint in the coming years, probably a Sprint with it's expandable drone chambers.
One of those rare cases where the funny sales math actually adds up it seems! Rather than saying "you can't afford not to buy this dryer" you could quite honestly say "You can afford this dryer. In fact, you're already paying the amount of it's monthly payments, with interest included, in your utility bill". Who wouldn't rather have a 5 year old M&R dryer, easily re-sold on the used market, or kept in service, expanded as necessary in 5 years over a big fat utilities expense on the books? So many other advantages there in productivity, less downtime and not to mention your balance sheet which give you additional leverage for other funding. I'm impressed.
Nice work Alan, I'm sure the boss man (your father in law right?) is happy with you after seeing that last bill.
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We didn't have that much of a drop off here since we didn't have gas hooked up, and now we heat the shop in the winter. There are about $75 in Georgia Natural Gas fees on our bill that weren't there when we didn't have gas. That being said, now it's more comfortable in the shop in the winter, and in the office...although the furnace up front reeks of burning lint the first couple times it runs every year.
We still shaved off over $100 a month on our utilities..even with having to get natural gas hooked up, so it isn't that bad. The inks are easier to use in the winter now.
I need to get a new AC unit for the front office, that would save some serious coin. In the summer the air comes on, and doesn't shut off until the sun goes down.
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I need to get a new AC unit for the front office, that would save some serious coin. In the summer the air comes on, and doesn't shut off until the sun goes down.
Have you had that thing serviced? A cleaning and top off of freon can go a long way... but depending on it's age nothing like a newer unit with a better seer rating and such.
If we were closer, I'd have you a hook up.
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I've got a good hookup, the unit is probably from around the late 80's early 90's. I clean it yearly inside coils and outside coils. It just needs to be replaced...and I need to finish coating the roof with reflective white paint and insulate above the suspended ceiling better.
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Word.
That spray foam insulation is a beast! It ain't cheap but it works like a sunnavabitch! I have it in my 30x30 shop, walls (10') and ceiling (about 32 linear feet)... cost me 2400 (maybe 2600)... I rarely run the AC or Heater in that thing.
If this new unit sucks like the one I'm in now I'll have to do something in there also... but being that it's not mine, I will be going with some cheap pink panther sh!t. ;)
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I will be looking into spray foam, if not it will be the cheap stuff rolled out. It did wonders in another section of the shop.
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That was labor and all... they came in with a big box truck and did all the work.
That stuff is amazing, sprayed on like a few mm's thick and then it swells up to 3"+ in seconds.
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Problem in the shop is I already have the white vinyl backed insulation, I might have to remove that first.