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screen printing => Equipment => Topic started by: chubsetc on January 20, 2012, 12:24:27 PM
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I know many people read this board and don't jump in, (I am typically one of them) but I had a thread earlier this week about M&R's Diamondback S and saw on their site they are advertising introductory pricing on them. The 8/6 with all pneumatic option B, is going for $23,625 right now and I assume there is also intro pricing in all configurations of this series, ie 8/7, 10/8, etc. This beats the Workhorse advertised prices for the Javelin Pro with no servo, not sure how it compares to the pricing on a servo index Anatol Horizon with most of the same specs but looks like a great deal for someone looking to get into an auto right now, especially after reading many recent posts about how great M&R does with service after the sale.
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Looks nice. I hope that the 'S' model doesn't have all the heads chopping even when they're off. I can see this model being one of the best entry level autos now that it has a servo indexer.
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I have the 1st Diamond Back S, and its GREAT! Not entry level at all. I have used large M&R machines for 13 years, and this press can stand with the more expensive models. Any questions, shoot! I have been using it for 5 months now.
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From my understanding this is a standard Diamondback and the only change is the servo indexer, is that correct?
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Looks like they have the newer control panel also, along with an index button on each head.
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not the only change, now it has print and reset buttons at every head, no longer needing to spin the control panel around. It is built more sturdy than the previous models. Its basically a sportsman frame with side clamps. Also features an upgraded control panel that is more user friendly than previous models. I am sure there is more, but I never used the other diamondbacks.
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Sounds like some great upgrades. Is the print size still 16x18? I actually have my eye on the Diamondback XL which is 20x21 but that will have to wait until we move into a bigger shop. I spent all day rearranging the shop to squeeze a 12 ft 36" belt dryer and then im done until we move.
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mine is 20x21, but I have the beta model, pretty sure its sold now with the 16x18.
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The 8/10 XL is 20x21 servo for around 35K. Seems like a decent price but I think Anatol would have them beat by a few K but thats neither here nor there.
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True, but I don't think Anatol makes an extry level press with a 20x21 print area.
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An Anatol 8/10 Horizon can be custom ordered in that 20x21 print size with servo and ac heads for about 40K so I think Anatol can definitely be much cheaper than the XL in that regard but you have M&R service and track record that might trump the 5K you would save.
Anatol has the best bang for the buck but M&R definitely has the best service.
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An Anatol 8/10 Horizon can be custom ordered in that 20x21 print size with servo and ac heads for about 40K so I think Anatol can definitely be much cheaper than the XL in that regard but you have M&R service and track record that might trump the 5K you would save.
Anatol has the best bang for the buck but M&R definitely has the best service.
I think Anatol makes a fine press (I almost bought one). The number one thing I found when calling shops (before buying) was that over all they liked the presses and most had little to no problems out of them. But they did say when they would need a part/service that it was at times hard to get. So I think you have to weigh that, wait a little bit for a part and save something up front (thus costing it in the end), or paying up front more and get the service you need when you need it. Its like most things in life, the product is "similar", but the experience/service/support can really set one above the other. M&R's service/support was worth something to me.
Just food for thought.
I would do yourself this favor, go see M&R and Anatol. I was VERY grateful when I got to do that. No substitution for seeing BOTH machines on the same day IMO.
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Anatol makes good presses no doubt but......whenever I need service/parts I often have to leave a message. Inevitably I am always asked to take a pic of the problem or part because they don't know what I am talking about.
This is due to their turnover in these departments.
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I think a network of techs is a huge thing. I have techs I depend on. I know who to call to get me running again. I wish I had that same thing in embroidery. There is 1 awesome tech for our machine. He's hard to get a hold of.
The press techs I use are both good, but they are also independent. I would recommend no matter what press you have, get a couple techs you can count on.
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Anatol makes good presses no doubt but......whenever I need service/parts I often have to leave a message. Inevitably I am always asked to take a pic of the problem or part because they don't know what I am talking about.
This is due to their turnover in these departments.
Same experience with our manual. They are making good on their mistakes but it's taking forever and theres a revolving cast of characters. It's like a movie you just keep watching even though it's too long and kinda sucks. I would not go down this road again with a more complicated machine. I'm patient but not that patient.
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I have an anatol manual that I need a part for, guess what? Not available, and no one knows when it will be.
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I wonder what an 8/10 Diamondback S would run. If its 23K for a 6/8 I would imagine the 8/10 to be around 30K, still not a bad price.
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I wonder what an 8/10 Diamondback S would run. If its 23K for a 6/8 I would imagine the 8/10 to be around 30K, still not a bad price.
The 8/10 runs just under 32K.
I know, because WE'RE GOIN' AUTO! WE'RE GOIN' AUTO!
Ordered one on Friday.
Yep! I been doing the "Happy Dance" all weekend.
We were planning on going auto back in '09, but the "little shop fire" we had at the end of '08 kinda foobard all that. In hindsight, it's the best thing that could have happened. New building, new equipment, set up the way we want it, the auto & new compressor are the last 2 pieces of the puzzle.
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I look at this way both companies make some awesome machines even though I,m an Anatol guy M&R just has so much stuff out in the market they really need all those techs and Rich comes from a tech background of service where as Anatol builds and inovates machines two differene backgrounds. I would think if Anatol had as much in the market as M&R no doubt they would have to beef up there tech to handle service calls. Anyway you you look at it your going to get a good machine from either company.
Darryl
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Anatol makes good presses no doubt but......whenever I need service/parts I often have to leave a message. Inevitably I am always asked to take a pic of the problem or part because they don't know what I am talking about.
This is due to their turnover in these departments.
This right here is why there is an M&R in our shop.
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I wonder what an 8/10 Diamondback S would run. If its 23K for a 6/8 I would imagine the 8/10 to be around 30K, still not a bad price.
The 8/10 runs just under 32K.
I know, because WE'RE GOIN' AUTO! WE'RE GOIN' AUTO!
Ordered one on Friday.
Yep! I been doing the "Happy Dance" all weekend.
We were planning on going auto back in '09, but the "little shop fire" we had at the end of '08 kinda foobard all that. In hindsight, it's the best thing that could have happened. New building, new equipment, set up the way we want it, the auto & new compressor are the last 2 pieces of the puzzle.
Congrats! Life is going to change for you!
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I wonder what an 8/10 Diamondback S would run. If its 23K for a 6/8 I would imagine the 8/10 to be around 30K, still not a bad price.
The 8/10 runs just under 32K.
I know, because WE'RE GOIN' AUTO! WE'RE GOIN' AUTO!
Ordered one on Friday.
Yep! I been doing the "Happy Dance" all weekend.
We were planning on going auto back in '09, but the "little shop fire" we had at the end of '08 kinda foobard all that. In hindsight, it's the best thing that could have happened. New building, new equipment, set up the way we want it, the auto & new compressor are the last 2 pieces of the puzzle.
AWESOME!!! Congratulations!
pierre
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mine is 20x21, but I have the beta model, pretty sure its sold now with the 16x18.
What makes your Diamondack S with the larger print different than the Diamondback XL?
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not much!
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mine is 20x21, but I have the beta model, pretty sure its sold now with the 16x18.
What makes your Diamondack S with the larger print different than the Diamondback XL?
The Diamondback XL has a 20X20 image area and the Diamondback S has a 16X18 image area. That is about it!
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congrats bruce...about time...you will be so so so did i mention so happy..
Sam
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I know Brandt has gotten more out of his press as far as advertised print area is concerned. I am wondering if any Diamondback owner has had the same experience being able to get a longer print than advertised.
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Scrupulous press manufacturers tend to understate the presses capabilities (particularly print size) and overstate
their requirements (CFM and setup space).
Unscrupulous press manufacturers tend to do the opposite.
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LOL, I did not want to bring that up just curious about the Diamondback.
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I know Brandt has gotten more out of his press as far as advertised print area is concerned. I am wondering if any Diamondback owner has had the same experience being able to get a longer print than advertised.
I have been curious about this too.
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I know Brandt has gotten more out of his press as far as advertised print area is concerned. I am wondering if any Diamondback owner has had the same experience being able to get a longer print than advertised.
I bet you can, our press is rated at 20x20. I easily print 23 inches, if you went REALLY slow you could get more. If you did a couple of more tricks I bet you could go even more.
But the important part is they claim 20x20 and it does that in its sleep.
Inkman will tell you how other companies handle that... LOL
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I know our D-back has out performed anything M&R said it could do...the same goes for the Heatwave gas dryer as well..oh yeah and I save a ton of money on my bills by having a gas dryer....
sam
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If you did a couple of more tricks I bet you could go even more.
ssshhh.. you didn't hear this from me but you can cut the rubber stop bumper down by .75-1 inches, you'll need to re-position the prox sensor though.
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If you did a couple of more tricks I bet you could go even more.
ssshhh.. you didn't hear this from me but you can cut the rubber stop bumper down by .75-1 inches, you'll need to re-position the prox sensor though.
If you wanted to, there are a couple of other things you could even do. But we are satisfied with 23 inches. Never printed larger than that on it and dont intend to.
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Anatol makes good presses no doubt but......whenever I need service/parts I often have to leave a message. Inevitably I am always asked to take a pic of the problem or part because they don't know what I am talking about.
This is due to their turnover in these departments.
Tony,
When did you get an Anatol? Last I saw you only had old M&R.
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I have an anatol manual that I need a part for, guess what? Not available, and no one knows when it will be.
This doesn't sound accurate. Are sure this is what happened?
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I am positive this happened, but guess what.....2 days after my post someone called and now the part is available.
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It's like magic Jason, speak and you shall receive!
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Baron, you guys have a good, hard working service team but if you think that you don't have parts issues with the manuals, better think again. Pm me if you like.
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I wonder what an 8/10 Diamondback S would run. If its 23K for a 6/8 I would imagine the 8/10 to be around 30K, still not a bad price.
The 8/10 runs just under 32K.
I know, because WE'RE GOIN' AUTO! WE'RE GOIN' AUTO!
Ordered one on Friday.
Yep! I been doing the "Happy Dance" all weekend.
We were planning on going auto back in '09, but the "little shop fire" we had at the end of '08 kinda foobard all that. In hindsight, it's the best thing that could have happened. New building, new equipment, set up the way we want it, the auto & new compressor are the last 2 pieces of the puzzle.
AWESOME!!! Congratulations!
pierre
That is strange, as my Diamondback 10/8 is around $32400. You think it's worth asking them at M&R why there is a price difference of almost $500 on the same type of press?
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Options all the same? Shipping (distance) all the same? I would not jump to conclusions too fast.
Not to mention 2 months difference in time. Even when I buy something at Best Buy, they only honor prior purchases at sale price for 30 days. Just sayin'
Lol, and you probably already made up that little difference in the first week on orders.
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Well I doubt the shipping distance matters as crating and shipping are added later and don`t matter for the actual price of the press. There is the A package and then there is the B package.We have ordered the B package and so did Catnhat.
Anyway, it`s all good with me.
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Well, I'm jealous of both of you, lol.
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We just installed a dback XL about 3 weeks ago now. I haven't printed any prints longer then 18" or so on it yet as we fitted our other auto for a 28" stroke but I will measure tomorrow what max stroke the XL should be able to pull off. I will say M&R once again exceeded my expectations with the press but just as importantly the service. With our shop doing lots of contract printing under such crazy deadlines these days it was important that our m&r press was built on schedule and quick as possible. Not only did m&r have a salesmen out the first day after inquiring but owner Rich H called personally to commit to building and delivering a press in 3 weeks! This was pretty awesome in itself but m&r pulled it off. Press was delivered on a Monday, tech flew in that day spent a few hours on assembly before calling it a day. Tuesday he had the press dialed by afternoon and we were running our first job on the new little guy as we call it that afternoon. A 5000 pcs order for a tiny little 4c logo going on small 6x4" bags we print on sleeves pallets. The press ran and is running like a champ with 20000 something impressions on it now there's been no issues. We will never buy from another press mnf. plain and simple. If anyone has a ? on the XL let me know.