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screen printing => General Screen Printing => Topic started by: mk162 on May 14, 2024, 08:26:16 PM
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Man do I feel like a rookie posting this, but recently we are having a dickens of a time getting a good white print on blends like the 6210 or tri-blends.
We are running OneStroke ELT through a 150s mesh with a 155 or 180s highlight, with a smash/flattening screen after the flash. Still, they look weak.
We are running our pressure around 20-25psi. We've stood the squeegee up to almost 0 degrees and run it down as far as 15 degrees. We changed squeegee speeds, checked off contact, flash times, cure times, tried a myriad of white inks, etc. Our tensions are great. We've tried swapping squeegees, different durometers, new blades, etc. We just can get anything that looks great.
It's pissing me off because we used to excel with our whites and we can't get back to it. I should be able to figure it out.
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EOM? Get them stencil walls thickened up maybe?
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EOM? Get them stencil walls thickened up maybe?
I'll check them. I didn't think of that for some dumb reason.
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We are running right at 10% EOM, I might bump it a touch and maybe add a second pass on the squeegee side.
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I bought one of those double blade squeegee's and found it works really well on 135 140 150 s mesh with the ELT white then a 160 regular mesh for a highlight, sometimes a little thicker print than I want but the white is good....plus all shirts just don't print the same for some crazy reason.
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I print a good amount of these. I use house blend of 40% clear and 60% smooth white through 156 on the base (double stroke) then top white is all smooth white through a 156, 135 or 110 depending on art. I find the based down base coat makes it easier for me to get a nice smooth base with less pressure. The top coat sits nicely on top of the thin base.
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I haven't used the ELT before... but i'd question the ink if all other variables check out. With thin thread and a top white that should be bright unless its bleeding fo some weird reason. Did dryer settings recently change? New batch of ink?
Also... unless it has halftones i'd ditch the 150/48 thin thread and rock 135/55 for the base screen. Slightly thicker thread but with better open area since there are fewer and can take higher tensions and more abuse 150's are fragile for us... Joe Clarke (RIP) turned me on to that years ago and its been game on ever since. Clears white ink so easy with light pressure.
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I haven't used the ELT before... but i'd question the ink if all other variables check out. With thin thread and a top white that should be bright unless its bleeding fo some weird reason. Did dryer settings recently change? New batch of ink?
Also... unless it has halftones i'd ditch the 150/48 thin thread and rock 135/55 for the base screen. Slightly thicker thread but with better open area since there are fewer and can take higher tensions and more abuse 150's are fragile for us... Joe Clarke (RIP) turned me on to that years ago and its been game on ever since. Clears white ink so easy with light pressure.
The open area is the same. Both have an open area of 51% but the ink volume of the 135-54 mesh is higher. Tension level is not significantly higher either. But I shall give it a try.
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We'll try some 135s. I am not a fan of that since I prefer a thin ink film.
We've gone back through anything that could have changed, and came up with nothing.
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It could be the chemistry of the ink changed and none of us know... and here people are chasing the way they do things to see if its them..
Im just throwing that out there...LOL
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It could be the chemistry of the ink changed and none of us know... and here people are chasing the way they do things to see if its them..
Im just throwing that out there...LOL
I wondered the same and ended up testing almost every ink I could get my hands on. We had the same problems with all of them.
One thing I did notice was it seemed to be our highlight that was the problem, so we switched that as well. Same issues. Top colors print better than a highlight white.
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So we upped our EOM from roughly 10% to 15%, which are both in what the manufacturer recommends. Zero difference.
We checked off contact again and dropped it to almost zero. then went higher than recommended. Still nearly zero change.
i took the flash down so low that a gnat fart the next county over would blow too hard and cool the bulbs too much.
Switched angles, pressures, speeds, dwell, hard flood, soft flood. double stroke, single stroke, soft or hard squeegee, inks, etc.
Almost no changes in print until it got too far out to get a good print.
I am absolutely baffled. The only thing we haven't tried is a new emulsion, but I don't see how that would fix it, we've been running this since before we had issues.
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" i took the flash down so low that a gnat fart the next county over would blow too hard and cool the bulbs too much. "
I wish there was some situation that would come up where I could use this saying....LOL
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Has anything changed in the shop? New AC unit, maybe higher humidity in the shop? I've never had environmental factors affect the print, that I'm aware of, but it sounds like you've
exhausted all other options.
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We haven't changed anything that I can think of. At first I thought it was ink related because it seemed to start on a new batch of ink, but we've changed to all different brands with zero luck.
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old bulbs in the flash? Maybe it's not properly gelling the base..... I'm assuming you tried a different shirt, like a ring spun vs g2000 garbage bag
Worst case, give it the ol' stink eye, yell at it, shake an angry fist at the clouds...always works here
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Maybe your expectation is to high >:( I know I've battle many times on some prints that printed great on the same screens with the same inks, and out of nowhere I set the job up again and it prints like crap, and low and behold the more I fool with it the worse it gets. Then I just have to walk away come back later if not pressing for time it might be the next day and just print the job, I think we all chase our tails trying to be consistent so every job can be repeated at a drop of a dime...Just walk away Brad and come back later you'll get it right like you want it.
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On cotton we print white base 150, flash, roller and then 180 on top.
For blends we often use a grey barrier base and then 180 white on top.
Make this will solve your problem.
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So we had Sonny(printficient) come in yesterday and he really helped.
We decided there are about 2-3 things that need attention:
1. chemicals. The dehaze is either missing stuff or leaving a residue on the mesh. We are adding a stronger degrease in for the time being to see if that helps.
2. flash. We lowered the heat and upped the time. We are flashing in 1.5 seconds, no way we are printing that fast, so we are slowing the flash time to our fastest production speed
3. angle. We went to 2-3 degrees instead of 5.
Testing was great, but we of course won't know until we get into production and right now we are caught up so our press op has the day off. It all looks promising. I really don't want to get into mixing a special white, but i'm not opposed to it. That may be the next step.
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No double bevel?
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No double bevel?
You know he was pushing for it. I don't mind them, I just think they wear out faster only riding on that single edge. I prefer triple duros.
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Just poking a little fun
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Just poking a little fun
oh I know, and I knew it would come up. He loves those things. And I've printed with them, and they aren't bad, I just feel they dull quickly.