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screen printing => Ink and Chemicals => Topic started by: Prosperi-Tees on April 22, 2012, 11:35:53 AM
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Softhand Base
Suede base
Halftone base
Curable reducer
Stretch Additive
Others?
What is in your shop and what,why, how much, where etc etc do you use them?
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Presently
IC Softhand base (my go-to additive for making stiff whites a little more friendly, and, of course, to soften color inks)
IC Stretch (for obvious stretch materials, and when high school girls order way too small)
IC dulling and suede (have only intentionally used it as a dulling aid. In larger quantities, it produces a suede-like finish)
IC Nylon Bonding Catalyst
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Finese, its better than softhand clear for about the same price.
Nylabond, obivious reasons
Viscosity buster, use in my white when necessary.
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Thinner
Curable Reducer
Suede
Thermoline and miracle clear- used to make tonals
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All of the above plus Puff
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lotsa stuff on the shelf, but not much of it gets used. We try to keep the inks without additives so it makes it easier to repeat the jobs. I think in the last 6 months all we used was reducer, extender and maybe some puff.
We ran out recently and had to order some so the list will be:
flow additive
reducer
three different kinds of bases/extenders (process, soft and regular),
nylonbond,
stretch additive,
transfer additive.
So other than different bases, same stuff as everybody else . . .
pierre
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All of the above and now Flame Retardant! Cool that it makes the ink print like a hot knife through cold butter
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Above plus thickener.
Cool stuff, check it out.
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Fashion base-so far it's ok, added some to a black ink and it made it extremely bad for wet on wet, maybe it was the ink and the fashion base didn't make it worse, but I expected it to make it better for wow printing.
Softee base-meh, doesn't much help for wow printing, but it will cut a bad ink into something usable.
Wet on Wet Base-great stuff so far, I'll be buying more of this product.
Curable Reducer-I'd rather use other additives but it does the job
Soft Hand Clear-Seems to reduce opacity more than other additives, don't use it much anymore
Thickener-rarely used but comes in handy once or twice a year
I think that's about it. I will be adding some HD clear soon, next tough sim process job I'll have a gallon on hand to mix in our ink.
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Alan, where are you getting your wow base? I tried my QCM source and they aren't making it anymore so I'm looking for another brand.
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It is qcm wow base, I got it from Lee's Supply in Houston. Damnit, shouldn't have told you because when they run out, I'm screwed. I had no idea they weren't making it anymore, I hope someone has something similar or they are replacing it with something. It's basically the only additive I've found to significantly decrease the buildup of an ink. Some do a marginal job and most make it worse.
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i realize that some of my list below contains various bases - we use the wilflex PC system with various bases to achieve the look that we need.
our most used:
10140 Softhand clear
AB12004 Amazing Base
FSB10340 Fashion Soft Base
not used much:
Nova base
STRETCH ADDITIVE
Thickener #10
suede base
Curable reducer
Viscosity reducer
FLEXIPUFF ADDITIVE
glow in the dark powder
tons of different colors of glitter from meadowbrook
Nylobond
10080FRA FOIL RESIST ADDITIVE
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It is qcm wow base, I got it from Lee's Supply in Houston. Damnit, shouldn't have told you because when they run out, I'm screwed. I had no idea they weren't making it anymore, I hope someone has something similar or they are replacing it with something. It's basically the only additive I've found to significantly decrease the buildup of an ink. Some do a marginal job and most make it worse.
Exactly what I told my rep. We played a back and forth game where she would call "QCM"/Rutland I guess and ask questions. They'd recommend softee base as a wow additive, I would say, "no that doesn't help at all", she'd go back to them and ask again. I referenced a thread here where Colin himself said softee wasn't intended to modify for wow, I get silence on the other end of the phone lol.
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It is qcm wow base, I got it from Lee's Supply in Houston. Damnit, shouldn't have told you because when they run out, I'm screwed. I had no idea they weren't making it anymore, I hope someone has something similar or they are replacing it with something. It's basically the only additive I've found to significantly decrease the buildup of an ink. Some do a marginal job and most make it worse.
is there a model # on this? i usually dont do WOW printing at all let alone a large run, but i have a 1500+ pc, 7 color run on blacks/whites that is coming up really soon and i'd love to have something to cut down "issues" im going to have....Any 2nd recommendations if i cant find the QCM stuff?
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It is qcm wow base, I got it from Lee's Supply in Houston. Damnit, shouldn't have told you because when they run out, I'm screwed. I had no idea they weren't making it anymore, I hope someone has something similar or they are replacing it with something. It's basically the only additive I've found to significantly decrease the buildup of an ink. Some do a marginal job and most make it worse.
is there a model # on this? i usually dont do WOW printing at all let alone a large run, but i have a 1500+ pc, 7 color run on blacks/whites that is coming up really soon and i'd love to have something to cut down "issues" im going to have....Any 2nd recommendations if i cant find the QCM stuff?
hey Shelly, I have been using this, just bought a 5G of it last week. Seems to work really well. Similar to Wilflex's Finesse base, hence the name...
http://www.texsourceonline.com/p-139-texsource-fine-wet-on-wet-base.aspx (http://www.texsourceonline.com/p-139-texsource-fine-wet-on-wet-base.aspx)
...Let Brandt know I may call him this week if thats cool, I need some hardware help, I know he likes that stufff... ::)
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Integrity: Which thread did I say that is was " not intended to modify for wow".
While it is not my first choice as a wet-on-wet printing modifier, It will improve the wet on wet printing characteristics of the ink you are adding it to.
However...You don't "want" to add it to an ink that will be printed over a white base. This is because it greatly reduces the viscosity of the ink you are adding it into. This will cause the ink to spread out more/have greater dot gain than an unmodified ink. It also makes it's perceived opacity less. Because it is printing a thinner layer than standard ink, it looks less opaque.
THIS GOES FOR ANY LOW VISCOSITY MODIFIER/BASE ON THE MARKET :)
If you are printing directly onto the garment, softee base and the other soft hand modifiers are great to use as a wet on wet modifier.
My wet-on-wet base of choice is the WOW-1001/QMX-1020 mixing clear clear base (I believe it's still called that, been a while). My reasoning for this is:
1) It is shorter bodied. This means it will shear very well. As a result the halftone dots remain very very crisp and clean, recreating your grey-scale image very closely. You know how the word on the street is to add 2%+ of the HD clear to your inks to improve halftone detail? Well, the QCM WOW inks have been doing that since they were introduced back in 2006. That's part of why I love the WOW clear we had on the market.
2) It also maintains it's body, it's form, it's ink shape. This allows the ink to maintain much of it's opacity. It will not print thin or thin-shear when the squeegee is moving.
So guys... check to see if they are still making the QMX mixing clear. It's the same product ;) or it was at least.
Post if you have any more questions :)
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yeah qcm wow bases were the jam, rip sweet bases.
anyone using wfx epic halftone base for this?
fwiw, some bases extend the ink without overly modifying it's print characteristics, some extend but will drastically modify the viscosity like the 'soft' or fashion prefixed ones. like colin says these are no fun over an underbase but great direct to the shirt wow on each other.
both types will decrease opacity at some point of addition. this is where I find a pc system worth the extra effort' to implement.
Sent from my intelligent phone-a-majigger.
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The wow base I used was the QMX-1030. I talked to my supplier today and told him that I'd heard they were discontinuing that product but he said that he ordered a pail of it last week so the 1030 is available as of right now from QCM. He was going to call them back after I told him what I'd heard here on the forums and make sure to find out the status of the 1030 going forward.
Colin, I wonder if the 1030 is the same as the 1020 you mentioned earlier? Maybe they improved it? I have big plans for some of the terrible wow inks that we have to buy currently by modifying them with the 1030, and if they are scrapping the product I'm going to be pissed and then start the long process of testing new products.
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It is qcm wow base, I got it from Lee's Supply in Houston. Damnit, shouldn't have told you because when they run out, I'm screwed. I had no idea they weren't making it anymore, I hope someone has something similar or they are replacing it with something. It's basically the only additive I've found to significantly decrease the buildup of an ink. Some do a marginal job and most make it worse.
is there a model # on this? i usually dont do WOW printing at all let alone a large run, but i have a 1500+ pc, 7 color run on blacks/whites that is coming up really soon and i'd love to have something to cut down "issues" im going to have....Any 2nd recommendations if i cant find the QCM stuff?
hey Shelly, I have been using this, just bought a 5G of it last week. Seems to work really well. Similar to Wilflex's Finesse base, hence the name...
[url]http://www.texsourceonline.com/p-139-texsource-fine-wet-on-wet-base.aspx[/url] ([url]http://www.texsourceonline.com/p-139-texsource-fine-wet-on-wet-base.aspx[/url])
...Let Brandt know I may call him this week if thats cool, I need some hardware help, I know he likes that stufff... ::)
OK i was literally just placing an order with them so i checked this thread for some info first--not sure how much i need to mix into the ink but i got a QT for now to see how it goes., even if it helps with one color better than none lol thanks!
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You are correct Alan, it's the QMX-1030.
I had a brain fart last night on the number designations....that's what happens when you don't play with the stuff for a year ;)
I would be surprised if they are discontinuing the clear base for the QMX mixing system, as it's an integral part of the formulas. I can see them dropping the WOW-1001 halftone base though. But that was just a re-label of the QMX-1030.
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You are correct Alan, it's the QMX-1030.
I had a brain fart last night on the number designations....that's what happens when you don't play with the stuff for a year ;)
I would be surprised if they are discontinuing the clear base for the QMX mixing system, as it's an integral part of the formulas. I can see them dropping the WOW-1001 halftone base though. But that was just a re-label of the QMX-1030.
Both products are available and have no plans of being discontinued. Colin is correct that it wouldn't make sense to discontinue the clear base for the mixing system. The WOW-1001 halftone base is also still available, despite rumors of it being discontinued. >:(
If there are any questions on QCM, Rutland or Union product offerings, feel free to shoot me an email and I can confirm whether or not a product is in production. Hopefully, saving you some time and unnecessary hassle. 8)
Best Regards'
Melissa Cambra
MelissaC@Rutlandinc.com