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screen printing => Equipment => Topic started by: Dottonedan on May 14, 2012, 05:05:35 PM
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SHEEEHSH. I said WATT amperege. lol. Get it?
I have a 10.5' or maybe considered 11' x 2' VIDAR dryer that I need to get the amperege on. Anyone have this dryer? Its old and they are out of business. I looked for the Co. plate giving the specs on the dryer but it must have been knocked off or something over the years.
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Are these the quartz bulbs in there?
Here's an old thread, from an old hangout, with some information from an old former friend, that may help you figure it out.
http://forums.screenprinters.net/viewthread/8/218237 (http://forums.screenprinters.net/viewthread/8/218237)
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Thanks, that is a good source of info yet I don't know the amperege on it. My electrician needs to know the amperege on the dryer so he hooks up the 220 correctly (for that dryer).
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Well, are they bulbs like described in that thread? How many?
Are they perhaps marked?
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Yes, bulbs. I guess I need to ask forgiveness for my lack of eletrical lingo.
He asked for the amperage e.g. 20, 30, 60? and didn't even know it had "bulbs" in it. So I didn't realize that was a precursor to a bulb question.
It has 2 sections with 6 bulbs in each (12 total). They are about 12"-18" long (as far as I can tell without opening it up at top.
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If it is quartz bulbs, they are spring loaded in the fitting.
Use a glove of t-shirt...do not touch the bulb with skin or it will burn out from the oil...push to one side and the bulb will come out.
All the watt/amp info will be on the bulb.
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do you have the oven in your possession? There should be a plate on it that says what amperage it is. It may even be inside the control panel.
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I looked for the Co. plate giving the specs on the dryer but it must have been knocked off or something over the years.
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That watt/amps on the individual bulb is just that. You of course need to multiply x how many bulbs to get total.
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Maybe use that info while back at Frog's post with the link and the rest of the formula.
I bet it is inside that box, but I like surprises. ;D
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I have seen equipment with 2 plates, and strangely, they don't often match.
I haven't ever heard of vidar, it might be hard to find them around much anymore.
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when getting the amperage off of one of the bulbs, you need to check the wiring as series or parallel will give differing loads, but I imagine your electrician would figure that out. You'll need to open her up for that, since no schematic is available...
Steve
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Once again.......904-343-0848 for Winston Strickland
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Once again.......904-343-0848 for Winston Strickland
Thanks everyone, I will open it up later today. (Just what i wanted to do). sheesh. You'd think something would be easy every now and then but maybe they are occasionally but go unnoticed since the are easy.
Printficient, What is your post below about? Maybe I missed another somewhere? Does that person own a Vidar dryer?
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Winston is a tech, an expert on dryers, and a member here, and is in Florida even (which explains his name Californiadreamin, lol)
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I thought he was in California actually.
I know, you know who's website is perpetrating like he is good buds with him (possibly suggesting worse) and list his address as Cali.
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I thought he was in California actually.
I know, you know who's website is perpetrating like he is good buds with him (possibly suggesting worse) and list his address as Cali.
Winston is in Jacksonville.
As for "you know who" implying a strong relationship with him, hell, if you were a major dude, "you know who" would talk about the time that you worked together on an install!
Besides, even if Winston could handle being around "you know who" on occasion, he still will very likely have the answers for Dan.
At any rate, let's not let this thread degenerate any further. ;D
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Gotcha...
I know there is no real relationship there and I know how he works. I was just giving the reasons why I thought Winston was in Cali.
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Ok. I took the cap (casing off and still can't get to the bulbs. I must be missing something as this is just not an easy task, like they designed it thinking you'd never had to replace a bulb. I'm able ot raise it up about 3-4" off the base to get more access to the bulbs but still hard to see. I know someones laughing now saying, Dot-Tones don't know what the heck he's doing. You're right. LOL. Can't see any numbers.
Guess I'm going to have to take out a bulb or two but guess what? They seem stuck.
The wing nut is connected to/rusted to the wire and seems to pull/twist the wire. Then, if I do twist a wing nut, the porcelain end cap seems to maybe twist and I'm afraid of breaking them. Sooo, does it look like I need to do something else? I can't see getting these out unless I take a wing nut off. Sprayed with wd40 but same thing. Still twisting everything.
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Dump it and buy the vastex dryer I posted from someone on eBay.
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Dump it and buy the vastex dryer I posted from someone on eBay.
Why, doe sit look that bad?
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I had an old dryer like this, it isn't that bad. Soak it overnight with either wd or PB blaster. a couple hours won't do it.
Don't twist those caps...you will damage the rods.
Those things don't go out often...and when they do they are easy to see when they are out.
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Dump it and buy the vastex dryer I posted from someone on eBay.
Why, doe sit look that bad?
No I'm just newer generation, you know the type that buys something new instead of fixing.
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Dump it and buy the vastex dryer I posted from someone on eBay.
Why, doe sit look that bad?
if I was you, I'd get a Mac!!!! ;D
'kidding aside, you can get a decent dryer for not a lot of money. I would scrap what you have and use the scrap metal money towards something better. Older dryers require tinkering and that is just no you. . .
pierre
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that's true. even some of the new dryers aren't too pricey.
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It might be best to cut your losses. Some folks love to take things apart and fix them, but if it's not your strong point, you can waste a lot of time, I know, it's not my strongest point, and I've wasted tons of time that way. It was still fun though... even last night I had an old Fender Duo-Sonic apart so I could check out the wiring as I get ready to fix it up. I have to stare and stare at stuff like this until suddenly, it all makes sense. Don't eat up all of your time on it.
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Ok. I took the cap (casing off and still can't get to the bulbs. I must be missing something as this is just not an easy task, like they designed it thinking you'd never had to replace a bulb. I'm able ot raise it up about 3-4" off the base to get more access to the bulbs but still hard to see. I know someones laughing now saying, Dot-Tones don't know what the heck he's doing. You're right. LOL. Can't see any numbers.
Guess I'm going to have to take out a bulb or two but guess what? They seem stuck.
The wing nut is connected to/rusted to the wire and seems to pull/twist the wire. Then, if I do twist a wing nut, the porcelain end cap seems to maybe twist and I'm afraid of breaking them. Sooo, does it look like I need to do something else? I can't see getting these out unless I take a wing nut off. Sprayed with wd40 but same thing. Still twisting everything.
If you must get one of them bulbs out, you need to find a slim open ended wrench to put on the nut while you turn the wing nut. Otherwise it looks like you will snap something for sure.
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If it's between 13-16 MM measurement, you can get a cheap cone wrench at a bike shop that should hold it well enough. And JB penetrating oil is great stuff--if WD-40 or PB blaster doesn't do it.
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Hmmmm. The whole reason for my needing to open this thing up is because I can't locate anything about how many amps it takes (so i can get 220 hooked up with proper amperage). I haven't even had this thing turned on at all (ever) because I don't have 220 in the garage. So, I don't even know if it works or works properly.
I'd just put it all back together and plug it in to see, but the electrician says he needs to know what amperage it takes.
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i would try and find a supplier of those bulbs, then see if they know what that unit takes....might be a good place to start
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dan, i know its a vidar, but what is the name of the dryer? There might be some old press techs that know those things pretty well.
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Just says VIDAR Made in America.
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huh, that's funny. i wish rick boarts(sp) from Aero was still around, he would be able to help you with this. That dude knew everything.
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UPDATE:
For those interested, I called Printficient's suggestion, Winston. (He does live in Jacksonville Fl) but recently moved from Cali.
Little did I know, he knows everyone I know and he's worked with everyone I've worked with long ago. We chatted for about an hour. It seems he is going to be able to identify what I need pretty easily. I sent him the requested pics.
I took a pic to send to him. It shows the inner of my front panel with 4 (things) with wires going into them behind the lights. Each of those have a stamp on it, (Made in Mexico) and 125V.
The item Breaker (rectangular black box) has an aged/faded sticker on the side. I enhanced it in photoshop but can't make out all of the other parts. At the least, I have the amps. It shows at the bottom what looks to read TRD AMP 40.5
I have 2 panels with 6 bulbs in each. Thats 486 amps. Then from what Winston says, you go with the next amp setting up. So I imagine it's a 500 amp dryer (but I'm still guessing at that). I'm waiting to here back from Winston.
It turns out that these dryers were sort of like home made jobs and were manufactured very close to me. Something like Sanford. 60 min from me (but years ago).
Anyways, Winston seems to be confident he can get this dryer going quick fast and in a hurry. Not that I'm in a hurry.
He's an old shop owner, manufacturer and supplier. All around good guy to know in this business.
D
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That sounds mighty high amperage wise. I have a 48" and a 60", and they only draw 100 amps each... We had to bring in a separate 300 amp service from another section of our building. So, I really don't think a dryer that small is going to draw 500 amps. If it does, your electric bill will put you out of business anyway.
Steve
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Sure its not 50?
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UPDATE:
500 amp dryer
No. It’s not even close. I would guess the whole thing is a single phase 40 amp dryer. You will run it on a 50 Amp breaker. If you have 12 elements then they are all 3 amps each. My old dryer was a 30 inch belt and each element was 5 amps. I am surprised you have that many elements. My old workhorse dryer is much like this one. The elements look the same. I would maybe even call workhorse and ask them if they know about this dryer. The (Made in Mexico) and 125V on the white element means its single phase. On the other side the white part may have the voltage written on it. Its worth hooking it up and seeing if it works. I would have a pro hook it up and look it over to make sure it is all working right.
What kind of reverse karma is this. As soon as I posted this I went out to finish up a job and my dryer belt was not moving. The drive chain came off. Luckily it was a easy fix.
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Lol... Definitely not 500 ... If it was it would pay to scrap it and buy BRAND new. Ha!
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Ha! You all are correct. I posted too soon before I heard back from him. It's to be 40 amp.
I based that on something I read and took 40 x the 12 bulbs. Good thing I'm not defusing bombs. Lol.
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I might have contributed to that... but I don't know what it meant by 40.5 amps... definitely not per bulb.
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cool, i was gonna say, I had an old 3-phase maxi-cure with a 10 foot heat chamber and a 60" wide belt and that drew 120. I am glad to be rid of that beast. I swear the power in the area dimmed when this thing turned on.
Most newer residential panels are around 200A.
I figured there would be another panel on there. ;)
On a side note, my largest draw item here right now is a air compressor, followed closely by my exposure unit...that sucker is 55A. For a stinking light bulb and fans....the wire and plastic pipe/fittings were $800 on their own.
Dan, do you know an electrician? Winston can probably get it wired if needed.