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screen printing => Waterbase and Discharge => Topic started by: Doug S on June 03, 2012, 03:07:51 PM
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I've never attempted to do this before so I wanted to ask. I need to print the image attached. Would it be possible to use regular discharge base and print 4 color process on red shirts? If so, would you flash the discharge base before printing the process colors or just print on top of the wet base or should I just stick to simulated process?
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I can't answer your question, but I do question that art, with all its red being a good fit for a red shirt.
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That's what I thought when the customer insisted on red. The "incrediworld" is more of a red/pink looking color. I told her it would look much better on a white shirt, but she's not hearing it.
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I have never done 4cp so take what I say with a grain of salt but I don't think a clear discharge base will give you a white enough plate to support 4cp.
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What size press do you have? If your press is large enough I'd discharge the UB and use spot colors on top but even a plastisol UB would work great. I'd stay away from 4CP and do sim process if you can't do spot colors. I like to do a quick flash to reduce the tackiness of the shirt but it's not necessary at all. I know most of the gurus don't flash it at all but it's more of a habit than anything for us.
You better get that red to be very different from the shirt or it's gonna look like garbage. That would look so much better on a light colored shirt than red. Maybe you should print all of this out and show her what we are all saying about the design and shirt color?
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You better get that red to be very different from the shirt or it's gonna look like garbage. That would look so much better on a light colored shirt than red. Maybe you should print all of this out and show her what we are all saying about the design and shirt color?
I couldn't resist a few keystrokes between innings.
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To be fair I saw this with a lot of white filling in the spaces. More like a contour cut opaque transfer (3g).
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You better get that red to be very different from the shirt or it's gonna look like garbage. That would look so much better on a light colored shirt than red. Maybe you should print all of this out and show her what we are all saying about the design and shirt color?
I couldn't resist a few keystrokes between innings.
I agree. I wouldn't touch it on Red.
And you know who's going to take the hit on this, right?
Get 100% up front because it's gonna be a pissy fight.
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I'm betting that the artist was not told from the get-go that this was going on red, but, yes, the art could be tweaked with white contours or outlines here and there.
Now, whether the custy will pony up the extra expense is another issue. They sound a might stubborn.
Jobs like this remind me of the recurring "why isn't the skull on my black shirt white like in the art I drew and gave you ?"
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What size press do you have? If your press is large enough I'd discharge the UB and use spot colors on top but even a plastisol UB would work great. I'd stay away from 4CP and do sim process if you can't do spot colors. I like to do a quick flash to reduce the tackiness of the shirt but it's not necessary at all. I know most of the gurus don't flash it at all but it's more of a habit than anything for us.
I'm betting that the artist was not told from the get-go that this was going on red, but, yes, the art could be tweaked with white contours or outlines here and there.
Now, whether the custy will pony up the extra expense is another issue. They sound a might stubborn.
Jobs like this remind me of the recurring "why isn't the skull on my black shirt white like in the art I drew and gave you ?"
I have a 10 color sportsman e. I do agree about how bad this would look.. A lighter shirt would definitely be better. I think I'll show her this one with a white outline since she is insisting on red.
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That's the way I saw it.
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Def would work in spot/sim process colors. And a discharge base white would be awesome. I posted up a race tee done on red tees in sim process with a discharge base at 7 colors a few months ago. 95% of all jobs I do are spot / sim process colors and many initially thought CMYK.
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What size press do you have? If your press is large enough I'd discharge the UB and use spot colors on top but even a plastisol UB would work great. I'd stay away from 4CP and do sim process if you can't do spot colors. I like to do a quick flash to reduce the tackiness of the shirt but it's not necessary at all. I know most of the gurus don't flash it at all but it's more of a habit than anything for us.
I'm betting that the artist was not told from the get-go that this was going on red, but, yes, the art could be tweaked with white contours or outlines here and there.
Now, whether the custy will pony up the extra expense is another issue. They sound a might stubborn.
Jobs like this remind me of the recurring "why isn't the skull on my black shirt white like in the art I drew and gave you ?"
I have a 10 color sportsman e. I do agree about how bad this would look.. A lighter shirt would definitely be better. I think I'll show her this one with a white outline since she is insisting on red.
Yes, I like that, I'd like it more if you could get rid of the red ink and use the garment for that part of the design.
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I've never attempted to do this before so I wanted to ask. I need to print the image attached. Would it be possible to use regular discharge base and print 4 color process on red shirts? If so, would you flash the discharge base before printing the process colors or just print on top of the wet base or should I just stick to simulated process?
Just an FYI, but red doesn't discharge well at all. You had said a discharge base, not discharge white. Why not just use a softhand white for the base, then your top colors including the highlight white? If you haven't already shown your client the art on the red tee, you should as it's horrible. Any light color tee would be better than red. Just my opinion:)
Good luck,
Paul
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Just an FYI, but red doesn't discharge well at all. You had said a discharge base, not discharge white. Why not just use a softhand white for the base, then your top colors including the highlight white? If you haven't already shown your client the art on the red tee, you should as it's horrible. Any light color tee would be better than red. Just my opinion:)
Good luck,
Paul
Paul, if you read this thread, you'd know it's not just your opinion! lol!
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The red Gildans print very well with a DC base and spot sim plastisols on top. We do itall the time.
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I've never attempted to do this before so I wanted to ask. I need to print the image attached. Would it be possible to use regular discharge base and print 4 color process on red shirts? If so, would you flash the discharge base before printing the process colors or just print on top of the wet base or should I just stick to simulated process?
Just an FYI, but red doesn't discharge well at all. You had said a discharge base, not discharge white. Why not just use a softhand white for the base, then your top colors including the highlight white? If you haven't already shown your client the art on the red tee, you should as it's horrible. Any light color tee would be better than red. Just my opinion:)
Good luck,
Paul
I agree that the design will look horrible on red. I think I'll give it one more attempt to persuade her to go with another color tshirt. If she still insist, I'll tell her that we'll make it look our best.
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And I see 8 colors with the top white.
That includes an orange and a yellow.
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I've never attempted to do this before so I wanted to ask. I need to print the image attached. Would it be possible to use regular discharge base and print 4 color process on red shirts? If so, would you flash the discharge base before printing the process colors or just print on top of the wet base or should I just stick to simulated process?
Just an FYI, but red doesn't discharge well at all. You had said a discharge base, not discharge white. Why not just use a softhand white for the base, then your top colors including the highlight white? If you haven't already shown your client the art on the red tee, you should as it's horrible. Any light color tee would be better than red. Just my opinion:)
Good luck,
Paul
I agree that the design will look horrible on red. I think I'll give it one more attempt to persuade her to go with another color tshirt. If she still insist, I'll tell her that we'll make it look our best.
Make up a waiver and have them sign it so you dont get screwed in the end.
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Actually there is more than that although the three blues and the orange can be achieved with halftones in the right hands
If you want to pick it apart looks like more than one red
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Is she just trying to save money? Is that why you mentioned cmyk?
I'd do
1 White or even white discharge.
2 Yellow
3 Green
4 Medium Blue type color.
5 Black
6 Red
7 Top white - would be best to assure a bright white.
I would print the blue and black under red to get the more maroon color. mix to get the Gray, the dark red and Orange shades.
Since you have room on press, we could then also use another lighter blue to assure best quality.
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I just checked the dischargability (is that even a word?) of the gildan red shirts and they all get a B grade which is "acceptable for discharge printing".
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Is she just trying to save money? Is that why you mentioned cmyk?
I'd do
1 White or even white discharge.
2 Yellow
3 Green
4 Medium Blue type color.
5 Black
6 Red
7 Top white - would be best to assure a bright white.
I would print the blue and black under red to get the more maroon color. mix to get the Gray, the dark red and Orange shades.
Since you have room on press, we could then also use another lighter blue to assure best quality.
Yes she wants them cheap. I just didn't know if you could print cmyk after a disharge base on darker shirts. Such as printing a photograph on black. I'll probably just set it up sim process and eat the loss.
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Probably won't be a loss as a sim, in fact you'll probably make more money due to ease of setup.
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Probably won't be a loss as a sim, in fact you'll probably make more money due to ease of setup.
I know this is off topic, but I was going to tell you that you will love your gas dryer when you get it. I've only used my mini sprint 1 full day and oh man "what a difference"
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This is the Red tee I mentioned while using discharge white as a base and plastisol on top.
230 mesh on base, 305's on top colors. 55 lpi halftone. Print was 16x19 tall I think er that was the max at standard screens.
1 Base
2 Black
3 Blue
4 Red
5 Yellow
6 Top white
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Pretty dang awesome prints.
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I sent Dan I sim process DC base maroon shirt pic earlier today. DD you can post if you like. Still having problems att pics when i save them to desktop. Probably files too big.
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These were printed by TonyPep and seps by his guy.
The photo of the guy is just breathtaking. Love it. Smooth.
I did one yesterday that is a 3 color similar to the photo below, sort of tone on tone. I used 3 colors. It was going on several different garments to I needed to keep the image consistent.
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...the guy is just breathtaking. Love it. Smooth.
Didn't know you were that kind of guy Dan. ;)
Context, it's everything. :)
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I would check what shirts your going to use, so,e reds are great some aren't. I have done 4cp over a discharge base before..it's ok. If you can get more opaque 4cp ink thanknit would prob be better. Again though it should be done sim pro.
Tony was that country guy all discharge or dis and plastisol?
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DC base (255), plastisol overprints (305+355) Wasn't enough shirts to do all discharge. 1,000 pc minimum for that.