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General => General Discussion and ??? => Topic started by: jesterapparel on July 09, 2012, 10:33:09 AM
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That is all...................... :-\
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what do you mean "that is all". Got more info? What makes you think this?
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http://www.digitsmith.com/print-shop-manager-seeking-tech-counsel-33951.html (http://www.digitsmith.com/print-shop-manager-seeking-tech-counsel-33951.html)
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Sorry for lack of info, was just so mad wanted to make it short and sweet. It's in the above link.
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If this actually happened, I would personally steer clear of that software he is selling as well. Your customer info could be compromised.
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If this actually happened, I would personally steer clear of that software he is selling as well. Your customer info could be compromised.
Didn't know he was selling software, haven't been to his site in months.
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Got it. I'm not surprised. ::) Although, no offense to Printficient, but we really still don't know the details and can only assume at how it went down.
It's a shame. He was very knowledgeable. Goes to show, you can be poses much knowledge and yet be unethical at the same time. I think he's a good person somewhere inside. He started of good. He just let his heart get misguided by following the Devil luring him in with money.
I saw on facebook today, Killer had a link promoting Prestons Quoting promgram.
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If this actually happened, I would personally steer clear of that software he is selling as well. Your customer info could be compromised.
Didn't know he was selling software, haven't been to his site in months.
Saw it on Johnnys Facebook. I dont go to his site either.
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I've seen mention of the software in his posts at T-Shirt Forums. It's been about a year since I went to his site. The bull$h!t finally got to me.
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Well, I still like Preston, and still go to and join in there, with Johnny, Darryl is there, a lot of folks still there. Preston denies this emphatically, and calls Sonny out for this. In fact, he says straight out that Sonny is lying... Go to SPOF and check it out for yourselves, I haven't seen a spider there in months if that's an issue for some.
Steve
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Well, after reading Sonny's explanation, I don't feel that he acted improperly. But I think that the information I put in my profile at any forum shouldn't be witheld from anyone except non-members. Charging a premium for what little info people put in their profile is just a tad sleazy if you ask me, especially when said member puts it in there knowing that others will see it. I've never thought that any info I put in my profile would be hidden from anyone besides non-members and I'd be pissed if I found out it was sold. Makes me want to log on and erase my profile info from there. I can't even remember my login info though.
Well, the plot thickens. I stopped going to the site because of my issues I had with P, and I continue to ignore it because there hasn't been anything said over there in a long time that was of any info to me. It's pretty much just a sales site for P's new software or the new auction website that nobody knows who is really behind the scenes. It's probably still a viable option for some, although I can't for the life of me figure out why, but it is worthless to me.
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Ok, I just read the most hypocritical thing ever at SPOF from P, which is saying something. He's saying nobody has the balls to discuss this on his site but what's the difference in us talking about it here or DS than talking about it at HIS site, where we can all claim he is protected and has complete access and control over everything that is written there??? What a hypocrite. There is no site that would qualify as being the best place to discuss an issue with P, especially his own.
Fact is that someone is lying and someone is a hypocrite and most of us are being accused of protecting each other if we don't fight about it on the accused's property...how funny.
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Funny how could he call us cowards for not addressing him personally on his site when if I remember clearly he purposely drove us all off lol.
MAKE UP YA MIND!
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Well, I still like Preston, and still go to and join in there, with Johnny, Darryl is there, a lot of folks still there. Preston denies this emphatically, and calls Sonny out for this. In fact, he says straight out that Sonny is lying... Go to SPOF and check it out for yourselves, I haven't seen a spider there in months if that's an issue for some.
Steve
I explained what Preston said about the Premium membership on his site on DS. What exactly am I being accused of Steve?
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It's he lure of excitement. It's got a little of the "car accident in the road and the restaurant owner on the side of the road is thrilled as it draws people into his restaurant" sort of feel to it. Like they say, "say what you want, just spell my name right".
It's the same old story tho. I've seen it hundreds of times between arguments on forums. he said, she said. Nobody ever really knows the full story. Many times we won't believe it if we do here the full story. LOL.
I think it's bet we let sleeping dogs ly or lie or lye, however you spell it.
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Funny how could he call us cowards for not addressing him personally on his site when if I remember clearly he purposely drove us all off lol.
MAKE UP YA MIND!
From what I was told, he ran us off...but my own account was much different. He very well could have closed my membership and account, but I had left long before that ever happened. So the guy is dillusional if he thinks he directly forced me to stop posting over there, I left on my own free will just like everyone else.
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I for one dont trust Sonny and the BS he is trying to pass as screen printing ink! Preston is in RB's back pocket .Buying people's info is just as grimey and shady as selling it. Good work fellas! I will continue to avoid both of them.
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WTF Shawn...do we really agree on something!!!
miracles will never cease to amaze me...
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If I understand this correctly, one man's "buying information" is a another man's paid premium membership which allows access to the information, and perhaps this is much ado about nothing.
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If I understand this correctly, one man's "buying information" is a another man's paid premium membership which allows access to the information, and perhaps this is much ado about nothing.
Probably
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And the ones asking for the truth and to get things cleared up will be made out to look like the bad guys. Because we are just out there looking for trouble right?
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funny thing is, that same info is free here! That is if the members choose to share it.
And to brings up an important point (again): be careful with which info you make available to other users! We did bring this up before, but it has been a while.
pierre
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Well the way I see it our info has been sold by our phone companies, banks credit cards etc, whats the big deal, I don't think you can keep your info to yourself nowadays.
Darryl
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Well the way I see it our info has been sold by our phone companies, banks credit cards etc, whats the big deal, I don't think you can keep your info to yourself nowadays.
Darryl
The scary part is that we have been forced to accept this as the norm. What's next?
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Ah ahahah! Frog jumped on that one quick, fast, and in a hurry. LOL. SPLITS VILLE BABY!
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I wish I was smart enough to figure out to sell people's info :) j/k I'm having enough trouble just trying to sell film!
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And the ones asking for the truth and to get things cleared up will be made out to look like the bad guys. Because we are just out there looking for trouble right?
Just by one person.... Who doesn't at all mater. LOL
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Ok, I just read the most hypocritical thing ever at SPOF from P, which is saying something. He's saying nobody has the balls to discuss this on his site but what's the difference in us talking about it here or DS than talking about it at HIS site, where we can all claim he is protected and has complete access and control over everything that is written there??? What a hypocrite. There is no site that would qualify as being the best place to discuss an issue with P, especially his own.
Hey guys, that sounds like Preston wants to get some traffic to his site, so people can start talking about it.
I think I'll stay here........
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Over the pass few years I,ve seen our adults act like children, really, take a good look for yourself at some of the news reports we hear and you'll think the same thing.
Darryl
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Big D...you cannot say viewership over there did not decline when Preston got in bed with Robert. Now information is being passed around ( sold) or whatever you want to call it...we all know what Robert did with usscreen info and that was just wrong...
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Place has been dead as far as posting for many many months, no reason to even go look.
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it seems the thread was deleted on DS. Does anybody know why?
pierre
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it seems the thread was deleted on DS. Does anybody know why?
pierre
Marc put "under review" in the status of it, but I was asked to delete some of the posts so I did that.
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Well, I still like Preston, and still go to and join in there, with Johnny, Darryl is there, a lot of folks still there. Preston denies this emphatically, and calls Sonny out for this. In fact, he says straight out that Sonny is lying... Go to SPOF and check it out for yourselves, I haven't seen a spider there in months if that's an issue for some.
Steve
I explained what Preston said about the Premium membership on his site on DS. What exactly am I being accused of Steve?
Sorry Sonny, I'm not accusing you of anything, but after reading Preston's post on the subject, I thought others here should check that out, sort of letting him tell his side, just like you telling yours. I thought it all looked like a rush to judgment, but maybe most folks already made up their minds anyway. I personally haven't had any issues with Preston. No, I didn't like what happened there last year, but I think that's in the past. Sorry if I offended you.
Steve
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Well, I still like Preston, and still go to and join in there, with Johnny, Darryl is there, a lot of folks still there. Preston denies this emphatically, and calls Sonny out for this. In fact, he says straight out that Sonny is lying... Go to SPOF and check it out for yourselves, I haven't seen a spider there in months if that's an issue for some.
Steve
I explained what Preston said about the Premium membership on his site on DS. What exactly am I being accused of Steve?
Sorry Sonny, I'm not accusing you of anything, but after reading Preston's post on the subject, I thought others here should check that out, sort of letting him tell his side, just like you telling yours. I thought it all looked like a rush to judgment, but maybe most folks already made up their minds anyway. I personally haven't had any issues with Preston. No, I didn't like what happened there last year, but I think that's in the past. Sorry if I offended you.
Steve
No problem Steve. You are right. I went back and looked at the profile for 8ill. Had his name. Company name and city. Went to yellow pages and got the number from there.
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Well, I still like Preston, and still go to and join in there, with Johnny, Darryl is there, a lot of folks still there. Preston denies this emphatically, and calls Sonny out for this. In fact, he says straight out that Sonny is lying... Go to SPOF and check it out for yourselves, I haven't seen a spider there in months if that's an issue for some.
Steve
I explained what Preston said about the Premium membership on his site on DS. What exactly am I being accused of Steve?
Sorry Sonny, I'm not accusing you of anything, but after reading Preston's post on the subject, I thought others here should check that out, sort of letting him tell his side, just like you telling yours. I thought it all looked like a rush to judgment, but maybe most folks already made up their minds anyway. I personally haven't had any issues with Preston. No, I didn't like what happened there last year, but I think that's in the past. Sorry if I offended you.
Steve
No problem Steve. You are right. I went back and looked at the profile for 8ill. Had his name. Company name and city. Went to yellow pages and got the number from there.
I personally don't have a problem with an active member of the forum, that tries hard to help others, using the public profiles to contact ppl and try to make a sale too. Sonny called us on several occasions and it was always for the purpose of helping first and selling second. He has always been polite and considerate when trying to create that sale too.
So thank you Sonny for doing it the way you are!
pierre
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Well, I still like Preston, and still go to and join in there, with Johnny, Darryl is there, a lot of folks still there. Preston denies this emphatically, and calls Sonny out for this. In fact, he says straight out that Sonny is lying... Go to SPOF and check it out for yourselves, I haven't seen a spider there in months if that's an issue for some.
Steve
I explained what Preston said about the Premium membership on his site on DS. What exactly am I being accused of Steve?
Sorry Sonny, I'm not accusing you of anything, but after reading Preston's post on the subject, I thought others here should check that out, sort of letting him tell his side, just like you telling yours. I thought it all looked like a rush to judgment, but maybe most folks already made up their minds anyway. I personally haven't had any issues with Preston. No, I didn't like what happened there last year, but I think that's in the past. Sorry if I offended you.
Steve
No problem Steve. You are right. I went back and looked at the profile for 8ill. Had his name. Company name and city. Went to yellow pages and got the number from there.
I personally don't have a problem with an active member of the forum, that tries hard to help others, using the public profiles to contact ppl and try to make a sale too. Sonny called us on several occasions and it was always for the purpose of helping first and selling second. He has always been polite and considerate when trying to create that sale too.
So thank you Sonny for doing it the way you are!
pierre
Selling 101.Lure them with your kindness then hook em with the sales pitch. Damn... not sure why I never thought of that! ;D I wouldnt be so hard on the guy if 4 others on this board hadnt shared a simular experience. Ok now I'm done... carry on.
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Selling 101.Lure them with your kindness then hook em with the sales pitch. Damn... not sure why I never thought of that! ;D
He did the same to me, called me about Auto's gave some advice then tried to sell me ink. I appreciated the advice on autos. I didn't the sales pitch. So I don't buy from him. Was a turn off for me.
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Selling 101.Lure them with your kindness then hook em with the sales pitch. Damn... not sure why I never thought of that! ;D
He did the same to me, called me about Auto's gave some advice then tried to sell me ink. I appreciated the advice on autos. I didn't the sales pitch. So I don't buy from him. Was a turn off for me.
It's funny that the issue he called me about, his ink gave me the same issue and worse lol. I'm still a little hot under the collar because I have 3/4's of a 5 gallon and 3/4 of a red gallon that I will NEVER use and would feel pretty bad about giving it to someone else even for free. 300 bucks down the crapper. I know that some members here including Frog have had a postive experience with the ink but I can only make an honest judgment from my personal experience. Sonny is a damn good salesmen it's a shame it's not for a better brand.
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Selling 101.Lure them with your kindness then hook em with the sales pitch. Damn... not sure why I never thought of that! ;D
He did the same to me, called me about Auto's gave some advice then tried to sell me ink. I appreciated the advice on autos. I didn't the sales pitch. So I don't buy from him. Was a turn off for me.
I know that some members here have had a postive experience with the ink but I can only make an honest judgment from my personal experience.
I hadn't heard any. Just being honest. I was all about trying it but all I hear about it is bad.
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Nothing new, and I am a champion of the dynamics of tangential thread development. This one is really straying but I have to contribute.
Shawn, I would never buy a five gallon bucket without first trying a smaller sample.
I know that Xenon or Sonny is not into samples per se, but in lieu of that has always offered money back if not satisfied.
Did you ever pursue that route, or merely bad mouth him here over and over?
And @GraphicDisorder,
I hadn't heard any. Just being honest. I was all about trying it but all I hear about it is bad.
I have bought the white ink more than once, and I know that I have discussed it here, complaining only of its tendency to creep. (that can be solved with the addition of reducer, or even soft base, but I questioned why it wasn't in the mix to start with) .
Lack of local distribution, and nothing highly unusual, is the biggest reason that I rarely buy Xenon.
As for Sonny, he is a salesman by trade, 'nuff said. For many of us, sales seems the most distasteful part of the job.
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he is a salesman by trade, 'nuff said. For many of us, sales seems the most distasteful part of the job.
Aint that the truth. You know what I hate, when you're pitching and you make the mistake of saying, "I'm not really a sales person" and the snotty business people say, "Yes, I can see that". I did that one, but, I was only about 23 at the time. I saw this on Shark Tank the other day. A lady was trying to sell the idea and she said "I'm not a sales person" and the snotty guy in the center, sarcastically said "I can tell". I had a flash back. Ha!
Makes you think that to be a better sales personal never be straight up with them. Hold all your cards. I read this once in a sales book. Never let anyone know how much you don't know. It WILL be used against you. This was often a downfall of mine. I was too much like and open book.
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Yes, Sonny is a salesman and he uses the phone call to try to get a foot in the door. For one, I would rather talk to a salesman that is trying to help, than one trying to push the goods on me and nothing else. And second, even if you chose not to buy anything from him, he will still try to help. That is the difference between him and other sales ppl.
Yes, he is a polarizing individual and some here don't care for him, but there are just as many that do and are happy with his services.
pierre
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Yes, Sonny is a salesman and he uses the phone call to try to get a foot in the door. For one, I would rather talk to a salesman that is trying to help, than one trying to push the goods on me and nothing else. And second, even if you chose not to buy anything from him, he will still try to help. That is the difference between him and other sales ppl.
Yes, he is a polarizing individual and some here don't care for him, but there are just as many that do and are happy with his services.
pierre
Sonny called me few times and helped me a bit with his insights. Also, he tried to sell me some stuff, some I liked some I did not.
I had issue with the white ink but I have released that it has to be cured at a lot higher temp then they advertise (I believe 300-320).
I had to run it at 360-370 to get it cured.
I do not have nothing against him, he is a good dude, but unfortunately I will not be buying anything from him because of did not like some of the products.
He is more that welcome to call me at any time :)
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Funny we all bitch about someone trying to sell to us, but we sell to wtf, sure we might not call you (some do aka cold calls, flyers)but we still sell. Sonny sold me what he believe to be really good ink and other products and I thought they were good products too until I got a bad batch. And for the guy that everyone of you hate F him and move on,....far as P,s forum goes yep its empty over there, but you know how us chickens are, where ever theres corn we run to it...some of you might not know what I,m talking about if you,ve never fed chickens. Oh and the next time you get one of those annoying sales calls at night ask them how'd you get my number then call that company or person and give then hell.
Darryl
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Darryl you read my mind.
Everyone on here that sells actually does more than what happened over there. Sonny had no more access than any of the others that paid for the premium membership. None of you that walk into somewhere on a cold call are any different. Its no different calling on someone because a friend of yours said "hey these guys do shirts all the time you should call them".
You guys lose your information more in one hour than if those profiles were opened up to the public. Your public info is sold over and over everyday. For those of you that have home loans how many times has the loan been sold without your knowledge? Remember going to the ISS show? When you card is swiped you gave your info away. You do not think that some of those companies swap info? Do you ever fill out those contest slips you see on counter tops in liquor stores? All this info gets passed around like hot cakes.
I am not defending Sonny or Preston. I am just stating the obvious.
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Did someone recently have car accident?
How many calls, letters and text messages did you get in next few days/weeks.
I had small accident 3 weeks ago, a piece of truck feel of and hit front of my car. Cop was there and saw everything, so the other drivers insurance is covering the damages.
As soon as that happened and they filed the report, I started getting the call and texts, few days later, I started getting the letters.
Everything is open to the public and cops explained to me that all that info is in public domain. Go figure that one out ??? :o
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Want some real spam? Join ASI. Holy sh!t. In a way though it is good. I have found a few vendors from it.
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Want some real spam? Join ASI. Holy sh!t. In a way though it is good. I have found a few vendors from it.
I know, I'm a member.
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I,m sorry if this hurts some of you guys feelings ,but we are all big boys here..this hold matter has more to do with ppl still pissed with Preston about not bending to what they wanted him to do on the forum and thats why this forum is here and that the same reason his forum is there. Hey ain't nothing wrong with taking your ball and going home its your right and not playing with the kid across the street anymore, so don't tell me this is all about info being sold cuz it ain't.
Darryl
Ps I enjoy most all the forums these things are like TV shows they have spinoffs LOL
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I know personally I do not go there because Preston Lied about his dealings with Barnes...I believe you only have your word in this world and he broke his to many many people...
plain and simple as I am...
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Wow. Thanks guys. All of you. I mean it. My first commitment to sales was not to sell something just because. If it doesn't work than you should not have to buy it.
Shawn,
I honestly did not know you had a problem with the ink. Call me and I will see if I can maybe trade you something or get a refund. I don't know if I can but I will try.
On a side note, not to hijack this thread, an update on my prostate trials. PSA level is now 20 which is 5 times normal. I am now slightly concerned. When your urologist has a sense of urgency then I guess you listen.
Thanks again for all the support and comments (both positive and negative) I am always willing to grow as a person and so sometimes the only way to grow is to be pruned of bad habits and situations.
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I am going to lock this up as it is not really contributing anything any more. If anybody disagrees with me please send me a PM and for a valid point it will be unlocked.
We are, and have always been, about our business, not somebody else's (regardless how much we agree or disagree with what they are doing).
Let's get back to talking discharge and other pertinent topics rather then gossiping . . .
pierre
and Sonny posted as I was typing this. Good luck Sonny! I am sure that even the ones not willing to buy your wares are wishing you the best.