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Computers and Software => Computers and Software - General => Topic started by: inkman996 on August 23, 2012, 03:18:21 PM
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I am in some serious need of help from someone that is both MAC and VM fusion able. I am going out of my mind with both systems nothing is working correct at all, i cannot get my epson 1430 to be recognized by windows correctly there is all kinds of strange ports and it even confuses one printer with another! I some one to please call me and help me out before I chuck this $1500 hunk of aluminum on the high way! PM for a number if any one can hep TIA
BTW the mouse that comes with a MAC what a night mare!
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Don't trip inkman. This sounds stupid but it works-
unplug the printer's usb cable.
open your vm of choice in fusion
while clicking inside the vm, plug the usb back in.
you should here that windows noise and have recognition.
port settings....I can't remember exactly how I set it up but there help/support docs were easy enough to follow. If you can give me a screen shot or two maybe I can remember.
I happily ditched vmware (well I still have it somewhere around here) and windows awhile back and, while it's limited me a little, am all mac now, except our POS at the retail store but that could be mac too really. I chose not to use filmmaker because of this.
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Hey zoo unfortunately I tried that over and over, when I installing the Epsom software it can't find the printer but the Mac side sees it even tho I wish it didn't but for some reason I can't get Mac to ignore the printer so it's windows only.
When I do get it installed manually I get three or four copies in the devices and printers. No clue as to why, now get this I also have an hp laser installed, when I pick one of the epson copies to print a test page it prints out of the hp laser? When I install FM I cannot get it to work on any of the epson copies, I tried everyone listed but nothing. When I unplug the USB and plug back in windows does not notice.
I think tomorrow I am going to uninstall VM and reinstall and see if I missed anything. VM also pissed me off because it offers simple easy pC migration, simply hook the two punters together by an ethernet cord and easy peaty yea frigging right lol. Neither system could see each other let alone do a migration.
I am venting but I am sure Mac is good right now I am all thumbs using it and it's adding to my frustration level ten fold. I am seriously lost on the things I always took for granted from windows so I have to learn all the navigation etc. I did finally install a standard mouse and now have my right click back, plus a scroll wheel! I can't understand how anyone can use that touch scroll easily on the Mac mouse especially not with a graphics program.
I need a beer!
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LOL... and you were promised all that green pasture :)
Yeah, that whole Mac mouse stubbornness baffles me.
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to get the right click menu on a Mac with the Mac mouse, you hold down the control key click. I use a Kensington trackball myself, 4 buttons. To delete a printer, go to System Preferences in your dock, It looks like gears, click on it, then choose Printers and Fax (this window should remind you of your control panels window). In your Printers and Fax window, all of your printers should be listed on the left; click once on the one you want to delete, then at the bottom of that window, click the minus sign (-) and that will remove the printer. That being said, when I hooked up VM Fusion and loaded a copy of XP, it talked to my printers already, so I really can't help with that, but, since you've registered, call 1-800-myapple, sometimes you get through right away, sometimes you wait, just like everywhere else. They are extremely helpful, and will help you solve your problem. The last time I called them, I had upgraded my system and all of my email disappeared. Had them on the phone for a couple of hours, they finally got it fixed, but they wouldn't give up, and kept moving me up the expert ladder. Hang in there my friend, you'll be OK.
Steve
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to get the right click menu on a Mac with the Mac mouse, you hold down the control key click.
How about I punch you in the face when I click!! Just kidding but seriously I think that is the STUPIDEST answer anyone ever gives for "why doesn't Mac just give you a two button mouse?"
I also use the Kensington Expert mouse... expensive as all hell but I haven't been without one for about 15 years. I own several.
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I use a microsoft brand mouse, right click all the time. Apple mice can (used to be able to) be set to right click, just turn it on in the options. I am one of those left hand on the keyboard, right on the mouse guys and I think that's why macs have this as standard, they got their start with design professionals and that's how you get 'er done on design programs. Don't mind the "magic" one or whatever it is, we have one at the printshop on the imac there but I do very little design work on that machine.
This sounds like an issue with Windows being what it is and also not knowing the ropes yet with VMware. Some of the interface stuff is a little weird naturally but it's a vm, once the interface stuff is worked out it's just as good as whatever os you install on there. Well, a little better I guess with the snapshots and all.
If it's looking like it's really not worth it just go on and get a pc for the rip station and network them or pop your files onto a thumb drive to go back and forth.
I personally have found working on macs to greener pastures indeed, takes a second to adjust to but far more time to focus on my work and not my computer machine.....and posting on this internet forum of course.
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Again, my issue is why don't the just give it up out of the box. Why do you have to buy yet something else on top of the already expensive computer? What about the laptops... now I have to either hook up a 3rd party mouse or hold a key down while clicking.
It's just stubborn BS. Maybe they got their start with designers and they had that habit so it worked... but how many decades ago was that?! How many bankruptcies ago? Cars started with manual transmissions and at some point some genius invented an automatic transmission. No major car manufactures and not many niche ones refuse to make a car with an automatic option... and those that do are designed for that VERY niche market. Or if you are a purist (like myself) you CHOOSE to get it as an option. A lot like using the keyboard with one hand and the mouse with the other.
Hell, the windows keyboard has a key that is literally a right click "context menu key"... I'd venture to say 99.999% of the users out there never us it. I, personally use it all the time and would hate to lose it. But I also wouldn't insist I NEED it or that Macs are stupid for not including it... because it's not something everyone uses. Right click... EVERYONE is using it... even die hard mac users say "I have a 3rd party mouse, I can right click" like I was suggesting it's not possible. But there is exactly my point... you bought a 3rd party mouse because you wanted to right click and the one that came with your system was total BS and is one of the first things to be tossed when someone in the "know" buys a Mac.
How long did it take you to toss that soap bar Mike? Exactly! ;)
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Gilly.
Will you stop complaining about something you do not like. We get it. You can not make any money with fixing Mac and you can not sell any parts because nothing breaks. It is OK, there is enough broken down PC's for you to fix.
I will never use anything else than a Mighty Mouse on Mac. I think that is the best mouse ever. You just need to get used to it. One button thing is for a hardcore mac users, but you have option to set it up to be two buttons. I use it with 2 buttons, and I love the touch scrolling feature and "two-finger swipes" for going back and forts in the browsers.
Mike, do not give up on it, keep working with it and give it a few hours/days. You'll love it.
Also, with the mac, when you learn basic, it will be easy. And believe me, if you have a patience for a few days, your life will be much easier when it comes to the computers when you learn how to use it.
I have sent you PM with my phone # about an hour ago. If you have any questions, give me a call.
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Gilly.
Will you stop complaining about something you do not like. We get it. You can not make any money with fixing Mac and you can not sell any parts because nothing breaks. It is OK, there is enough broken down PC's for you to fix.
I will never use anything else than a Mighty Mouse on Mac. I think that is the best mouse ever. You just need to get used to it. One button thing is for a hardcore mac users, but you have option to set it up to be two buttons. I use it with 2 buttons, and I love the touch scrolling feature and "two-finger swipes" for going back and forts in the browsers.
Mike, do not give up on it, keep working with it and give it a few hours/days. You'll love it.
Also, with the mac, when you learn basic, it will be easy. And believe me, if you have a patience for a few days, your life will be much easier when it comes to the computers when you learn how to use it.
I have sent you PM with my phone # about an hour ago. If you have any questions, give me a call.
LOL... actually I get more Mac than Linux and I'd bet that the numbers line up ALMOST with the market share. I'd also be willing to bet the other few customers that are missing from that are the ones that think they have to go to the local Mac store to get raped service.
Sadly I've had customers come to me and tell me some pretty terrible horror stories of how the Mac store (independent, not run by Apple, mind you) has treated their situation... just a lack of understanding of how the OS truly works.
They also sold one of my clients (before they became my client) a "mac mini" as a "server". :o
BTW, the internal parts are all the same as PC's now... I thought that was a bad move on Apple's part to move away from the PowerPC, I felt that really did give them an edge over the PC world.
Relax Dennis, it's just a pet peeve of mine about the mouse issue... more so the excuses that Mac fanboys use, but all the same.
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DK I got your message I will try calling tomorrow when I am back in front of the rig.
About the whole right click thing, I also am a power left hand key board right hand mouse guy but that is on a pc key board lay out. No matter what the right click in windows is extremely useful. And something I am glad to have back by silly switching to a multi button mouse.
I am liking the system no doubt, the speed on boot up and other things is sweet but some things are really strange to me lol.
As for the epson,printer something is just goofy with it, I installed the hp laser perfectly fine and windows and Mac both see it correctly I also installed a zebra label printer for ups on the windows side with no issues, it's just the epson printer that is giving fits and naturally that is the most irritant one to have sigh.
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Gilligan, you are missing a point why Mike started the thread!
Not because he does not like the mouse, not because he hates or he has issues with mac. He started it because he needs help.
Ne does not need you or anyone else pour more salt on the wound, or to make fun of it. He have just spent $1500 for a system that he never used before. If you can not help, leave it alone. But as I can see that you have more customers with Mac issues, and as I can see that you help them with Mac issues every day, why didn't you post something that would help him instead of making him even more pissed off and uncertain about his decision to buy a Mac. Probably you made him thing about did he make the right choice.
Mouse is not the issue, having issues with something that is relatively unknown or slightly different that he was used to is an issue in this case.
Maybe I was bit too harsh on my response to your first comments on this thread, but I just can not understand someone who acted like you did today.
There are some threads that you do not comment on if you are not certain that you will help. This one was one of those.
he spend a lot of money on an iMac, if you know how, help him, if not, leave it alone.
There are other threads where all of us can have fun and make fun of each other.
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Dennis, I made a small joke at Mike's expense... I'm willing to bet he didn't get too upset (if any) about it.
HE mentioned the mouse and I simply stated, "yeah, that whole Mac mouse stubbornness baffles me." Basically agreeing with Mike. That was the end of what I had to say.
It wasn't until people started chiming in with what I feel is the most ridiculous cop outs when someone mentioned their disdain for the Mac mouse.
You are right... I didn't offer anything else... though I wasn't trying to go down this crazy tangent that we went down. It just happens sometimes (kind of like, the one going on between you and I). I didn't offer any other help because as it has been stated before, I don't have any experience with VM ware in the environment that he is using it in. I have mainly dealt with VM stuff from a server perspective. I have also said how cool Fusion sounds with it's abilities to drag and drop from one system to the other. Didn't see you jumping my a$$ over praising the Mac on that thread even though I wasn't helping to further the conversation that was at hand.
Just reread this thread and see where it got derailed. If you TRULY believe it was because of some half backhanded comments that took up a whopping TWO lines then I don't know what to tell you. From there on out it was just basically a lot of joking around... unless you really believe I want to punch someone in the face vs right clicking. *shrug*
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i think what this whole past says it that it doesn't matter what kind of computer you use, when you cram it full of programs and peripherals, there are going to be some conflicts. Not a surprise that Epson is at the center of it either.
I have to trick so many things into working. My computer thinks our plotter is a laser printer. Same as the RIP. It's tricky, but it works great.
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OH SWEET BABY HEYSUS.
Mike I use Fusion on my iMac but I dont have any printers at home so I cant be of much help. I do know some things were super easy yo get working on fusion and some were near impossible. Had to seemingly stand a certain way, shirt on side way, wearing a big bird suit(don't ask), and then it all "just works".
I hope you get it sorted out. I really bought our iMac in hopes of moving to macs in the work environment. Quickly saw no way I would have the patience. LOL
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to get the right click menu on a Mac with the Mac mouse, you hold down the control key click.
How about I punch you in the face when I click!! Just kidding but seriously I think that is the STUPIDEST answer anyone ever gives for "why doesn't Mac just give you a two button mouse?"
I also use the Kensington Expert mouse... expensive as all hell but I haven't been without one for about 15 years. I own several.
It's really the same thing, whether you right click, which is what I do with my trackball since I hate mice, or hold a key while you click, 6 of 1, 1/2 dozen of the other. Everyone here uses trackballs, it takes like 90 seconds to get used to. So, why does one go to the Start menu to quit? hee hee I had to get a new machine at home a month ago, and the new mouse which acts like a trackpad if you run your finger over the top is kinda cool; still, I went back to my trackball. And, I don't think that was a stupid answer, because it wasn't about why Mac doesn't offer the 2 button, but how to access the menu, geez man.
Steve
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Because Mac proponents seem to NEVER just say "yeah, they should send a two mouse button". They almost ALWAYS give the "well, you just hold down control while clicking."
I disagree on the 6 of one thing... if I've got my hand resting on my chin or something then it's a lot different than just moving a finger an 1/8 of an inch to right click vs moving my hand off my chin blah blah blah.
Point is that you don't ALWAYS have your other hand on the keyboard where as you ALWAYS have your finger on the right mouse button if you are using a mouse.
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I bought a Mac in college.......Hated the mouse, hated the user interface......Last Mac I ever owned......
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I bought a Mac in college.......Hated the mouse, hated the user interface......Last Mac I ever owned......
How long ago was that?!
That wasn't OS X was it?
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It was along time ago.....Version 5.0 or 6.0 I think....
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LOL... well X is a LOT different.
Personally it takes a bit of getting used to for me... probably due to the fact that I'm always on someone else's system and you never know where they keep their "smart bar" or whatever it is called.
I'm also not a fan of they system configuration system but it isn't all that bad. I personally hate the Windows 7 version of it even more!
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You can set your might mouse up for both left and right click, so what's the problem?
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You can set your might mouse up for both left and right click, so what's the problem?
He need to see two buttons :)
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Because Mac proponents seem to NEVER just say "yeah, they should send a two mouse button". They almost ALWAYS give the "well, you just hold down control while clicking."
I disagree on the 6 of one thing... if I've got my hand resting on my chin or something then it's a lot different than just moving a finger an 1/8 of an inch to right click vs moving my hand off my chin blah blah blah.
Point is that you don't ALWAYS have your other hand on the keyboard where as you ALWAYS have your finger on the right mouse button if you are using a mouse.
Really not a deal changer. My left hand is always on the keyboard, not my, uh, chin. ;D. As far as System 6, 20 years ago, there was no Windows, and a complete newbie could be using a Mac in 5 minutes. Now, whether they lifted the idea from Xerox is another thing altogether, but DOS was simply not easier to use. When I want to turn on a light, I don't want to wire a house to understand it, I just want the damn light on. All of my my most technical friends are Windows guys, because they can dig in further, which I understand completely, but that's not really what it's about for most of us. Hell, I know a ton more about music theory than the average music listener, that doesn't mean they extract the joy in the music to a lesser degree, or me to a greater degree. By the way, I typed all of this without my finger on the right button of my trackball.
Steve
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You can set your might mouse up for both left and right click, so what's the problem?
He need to see two buttons :)
I'm talking about sans mighty mouse days.
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You can set your might mouse up for both left and right click, so what's the problem?
He need to see two buttons :)
I'm talking about sans mighty mouse days.
10 years ago?
That is still an issue even if it is adjustable so you coud set it up as an 2 button mouse?
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Time flies when you are having fun... 7 years feels like 10. ;)
My issue is also mainly focused on the touch pads of their laptops. Until recently there was just one massive button.
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You have been able to set up all four corners of the track pad to do a number of actions, including right click, for at least 7 years.
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Right... but that isn't intuitive by any means.
If they are trying to bring people over from windows then why not make them feel more comfortable (a split button, like they are used to). I don't know ANY average user that knows about gestures or any of those tricks that you can do with a touch pad. Even on a windows laptop.
It just has always felt like they just won't "cave in" and give Bill the 2 mouse button thing. Seems petty at the expense of user friendliness.
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UPDATE
Talked with DK earlier even tho we did not figure out anything directly i did come across a new set of settings that turns out is key, a major KEY!
My biggest issue was nothing being plugged into a USB port was showing up in windows. Well in VM ware there is "USB and Bluetooth" settings in those settings it shows everything connected to the MAC and it gives the options to either point to MAC or windows or both. Here is where I was able to finally tell Windows to notice the epson printer and from there after fighting with Fast Films I was finally able to get all sorted out. Here is the oddest thing tho, every time I either re-log in windows, or un plug and replug in the epson printer it creates a duplicate, I was up to 9 duplicate printers. WTF? I dont know what that is all about but I just have to keep the dups in line and hopefully everything stays running smooth.
Now come on guys quit arguing over one stupid button on a damn mouse lol. Like I said i swapped out the mac mouse for a wireless multi button and I am good to go. Plus there is no settings to change it automatically operates with the right mouse context menus.\
My next struggle now is to get the key board to work in Corel the way i am used to. For instance on a windows machine the delete key deletes, in VM it does not. There is other odd things i will work on.
Hey guess whats cool ever see windows boot up in ten seconds? well thats the timing for windows in VMware freaking awesome lol.
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Delete all the printers on the side you installed them through. (In case you installed the printer while you were in the VMware).
Install everything again on the Mac side, VMware should pull everything from Mac to the Windows side.
You said that you copied some stuff from your old PC to the Windows side and that it has disappeared or it did something stupid. Do not copy anything to the Windows side, copy directly to the Mac and you will be able to access it from Windows.
Just remember that you bought this Mac to use it as a Mac, and not to have a Mac solely to work on the Windows side. That is not what is VM made for, it is made to help run Windows only software on the Mac machine and it should be treated like that.
Hope that helps
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even better:
Apple Introduces Revolutionary New Laptop With No Keyboard (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9BnLbv6QYcA#)
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Brafd I hope that was a marketing joke what a retarded thing wow.
OK back to reality
two questions
How the hell do i change my home page in safari?
And how the hell do i change the time VMware wants to do a snap shot, right now it tries to do it at 1 in the afternoon ugh.
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it's an onion news story, they do a lot of satire stuff. (i almost wrote sapphire, I need to go home)
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O)K i am done any one want to buy a brand new MAC?
The printers are going crazy, I am now up to 31 copies of the epson printer, I have zebra printers acting as eltrons , rip is not working any more, nothing is working fusion sucks, going Mac sucks I have no choice but to go back to a windows, everything we need is PC based everything.
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After one day of issues with a Mac you are ready to quit? :) (Not really a Mac issue, more of VMware and Windows on a Mac issue)
After 20 years of issues with Windows, you are ready to go back to it after one day?
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Its not that Dennis, VM sucks you are right not MAC. But we cant operate like this I need things working and right now I cant keep any thing working long enough to be acceptable.
VM is crazy i dont get this problem it has with printers at all.
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It's pointless to complain about what mouse ships with the Mac.
I started out with a Mac so I never missed the 2 button mouse. It's only the people that converted from pc to Mac that have an issue.
The way to solve it is to just plug in any 2 button USB mouse.
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Inkman call VMware support they can walk you through getting your printer recognized by windows.
Or call me Saturday 503 476 6818, we can do a screen sharing session and I'll get you hooked up.
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For everyone involved in this... this will be my last post about the stupid mouse debacle!
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Doesnt it seem slightly counter productive to buy a Mac only to have to run Windows to get anything done? Lmao. I only point it out cause I felt your pain once. Haha
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Inkman call VMware support they can walk you through getting your printer recognized by windows.
Or call me Saturday 503 476 6818, we can do a screen sharing session and I'll get you hooked up.
Thats a cool thing to do.
Mike dont give up yet. Everything will work out.
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Doesnt it seem slightly counter productive to buy a Mac only to have to run Windows to get anything done? Lmao. I only point it out cause I felt your pain once. Haha
That's one way to look at it. The way I look at it is I enjoy using my Mac. I only use Windows because I have to.
If software companies would write the drivers or the applications I needed to run on the Mac, I would never use Windows.
Just because software companies have their head up their ass, why should I have to suffer by using windows as my daily operating system?
So I don't. Like I said, I use the Mac for everything I can, and windows only when required.
Actually the nice thing about this set up, is it's better than having an actual Windows PC. Windows has problems, viruses, malware, and from time to time decides to self-destruct.
This way I can keep virtual Windows machines separate from each other, and only doing one function per virtual machine.
This eliminates any software conflicts I might've had, if I installed all the software on one machine.
Also I can set the machine up to snapshot on a daily basis, so when it does get borked I can just roll back to a previous version.
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Ink if you were in front of me I would hug you! Yu may not realize it but you just solved all my problems!
I will install two virtual windows and use one just for the rip. the other will be just the basic printers. Now I won't have strange porting issues etc. damn I am buying a beer just for you at the bar tonight!
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Serious question Ink.
Why not just run something like Xen, or something else that is nothing more than an extremely lightweight "base" to launch your VM from and forgo the expensive Mac and overhead that comes with X?
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Hey Gilligan,
I was trying to simplify the explanation as to how we do things here.
We have a Linux box that runs KVM that does all our virtual machines for our business.
Instinct man's case he's using a Macintosh. And that is there one main computer at the shop.
So the explanations were for him even though that host hardware and software we use are different.
My personal Mac laptop has a Windows VM that just has QuickBooks on it, because QuickBooks Mac version sucks.
I have a bunch of other Vms Ubuntu, FreeBSD, various versions of Windows going back to Windows 98, nexenta, Novell etc. it's the best testing lab I've ever had ;)
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Hey Ink, I'm psyched that we got you going.
That's the best way to do it man, whenever you're doing something freak it just make a new virtual machine!
You can always make a clone of your current virtual machine, then install some software you're not sure about, and if it's great awesome, if not, screw it delete the virtual machine.
Another great thing is to always make sure you snapshot before installing any updates. Microsoft updates, accurate updates that sort of thing. That way if they freak up your machine just roll back to the one that you know it's good.
Virtual machines have been a game changer for me in so many different ways my regular job, the shop, and even my personal computer usage.
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I love a good Mac/PC Debate.
That's one way to look at it. The way I look at it is I enjoy using my Mac. I only use Windows because I have to.
It was actually just a joke. Ironic if you will.
If software companies would write the drivers or the applications I needed to run on the Mac, I would never use Windows.
Software/drivers always are written for OS's that it can be largely sold for. It's just that simple. I do not blame the software people for not spending tons of man hours writing software for something that just wont sell well. It's like many of us screen printers, we dont set up a auto for 6 shirts. Same concept here.
Just because software companies have their head up their ass, why should I have to suffer by using windows as my daily operating system?
See above. Curious though, what exactly are you "suffering" through on Windows? My guess, it's like many Windows users that complain about it. They are/were running a computer that has some weak hardware in it and they are comparing it to their new Mac which ironically has high end hardware in it. I find it is that when you build/buy a computer with quality hardware, be it Mac or PC, it's night and day difference in performance, life, and so on VS buying a mid to low level off the shelf POS Dell/HP/etc from the latest big box store. In other words, comparing your 1k computer to your 2,300 dollar computer should be the first hint that you are maybe cheating yourself on a comparison. After all do you often really compare Chevy Cobalts to Corvettes? LOL.
So I don't. Like I said, I use the Mac for everything I can, and windows only when required.
I think they are fine machines, I have a 27inch iMac, MacBook Pro, iPhones, Apple TV, and 2 iPads. I am a Apple fan not a doubt about it. BUT, they do not compare with a Windows machine when built with good hardware, in fact you can often build a similar or more powerful PC based system for less money than you can buy a Mac that will probably come with a 1/4 of the ram, 1/2 the drive space, and be locked into smaller limits on RAM/etc. Plus for me PC is still a winning choice because on many macs there are components are not easy to, or even able to be replaced. You certainly can't run down to Best Buy and fix your iMac same day if your graphics card in it fails. (Had 2 friends have this happen to them). If my PC would have a card fail, I could fix it and be back up in a hour including driving there and back. A iMac may be down days, weeks, if out of warranty may just have to buy a new iMac all together. So you could be out over 2k for a $150 dollar part that could take you years more down the road.
Actually the nice thing about this set up, is it's better than having an actual Windows PC. Windows has problems, viruses, malware, and from time to time decides to self-destruct.
As Macs get more popular this will plague them as well. Same concept applies here as software. Why bother attacking a tiny % of the market with Virus/Malware/etc when there are plenty of idiots running Windows that have no idea how to use it. But let's be REAL honest. Avoiding Viruses and Malware is SO easy. It really is and overstating it like its some massively hard to avoid deal is just IMO reaching. I haven't had a computer virus since probably the 90's and I am very lax with the way I use a computer.
This way I can keep virtual Windows machines separate from each other, and only doing one function per virtual machine.
Good advice here since he went mac, I would say that may be a great way to solve his issue.
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Very good post Brandt.
Usually your post are laced with some condescending vocabulary or a stubborn tone, this one was clear and to the point. Not sure it was the right place but this thread has gotten WAY off original intent many times over now. (I'm guilty for that).
Apple makes a great product and maybe a PC manufacture should come out and be TOP notch ONLY and they would likely have a similar rep. It would just be a hard sell due to the bad rep that PC's in general have. Alienware kind of did it... they just went after gaming and made their cases kind of goofey looking, but people knew it was a good machine. The trick though was that you couldn't buy a $500 pc from them. You paid a premium for a system that you knew would be a good system. Basically the same thing that Mac is doing.
Mac is certainly not immune from viruses, they just don't have a market share worth going after... sadly I think their snootyness towards this "you can't get a virus on a mac" attitude will be their downfall. They will get under the wrong person's skin and he will set out to make a Melissa virus for the Mac and prove that diatribe wrong.
I as well have not gotten a virus in MANY MANY years (since I stopped using IE so long ago). I don't even run antivirus software or anything. I'll go to any site, never a concern.
VM's really are a great way to go for all the reasons Ink stated though... no matter what OS you are running, ish happens and it would be great to just roll back to before that happened.
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I have been immune to viruses for a very long time, just using common sense' firewall, and malware scanners have kept me clean. But the stupid root kit I got over night come how blew my mind. I still cannot understand where or how it got on the PC. Windows has built in firewall, user account control so supposedly nothing can be installed with out permission first, firewall at the router and malware running in the back ground, so how the F did a root kit get in? Sure I open tons of attachments daily all business related, I never open anything that is not work related period. I occasionally peruse face goof but I absolutely never click on any links from with in FB posted by people I know.
I wish I was more windows literate so I could some how track down when that root kit arrived and from where.
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Yeah, Mike... I've seen some of the most conservatives users get hit. Maybe we've just been lucky all this time to a degree.
I know they say out of date Java and Acrobat reader can be a cause for infection and that is the only thing I can think of for one of the previous users that I know didn't do anything stupid that still got a pretty intense virus infection.
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Very good post Brandt.
Usually your post are laced with some condescending vocabulary or a stubborn tone, this one was clear and to the point. Not sure it was the right place but this thread has gotten WAY off original intent many times over now. (I'm guilty for that).
No doubt it can happen, but that's generally after someone makes a off the wall absolute comment that is usually already false before they typed it. Other than that I am very easy going and just matter of fact. A lot of people make a lot of assumptions about computers and a lot of them are misconceptions from the word go.
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Yeah, Mike... I've seen some of the most conservatives users get hit. Maybe we've just been lucky all this time to a degree.
I know they say out of date Java and Acrobat reader can be a cause for infection and that is the only thing I can think of for one of the previous users that I know didn't do anything stupid that still got a pretty intense virus infection.
Thats good food for thought. I hate java with a passion, I try to avoid it at all costs it always seems to be required and running processes in the BG. I hope it goes away and dies eventually. Acrobat is not much better, again it is something you seem to have to have and when you install it there is three or more processes running in the BG relating to it. WTF it opens and shows a file what the hell does it need to be running in the BG for? I have tried third party PDF readers but disliked them all.
While on the topic when will flash die? Surely apple not supporting them in the mobile market must be a death blow for them because now everyone that wants their content viewable by all will use html5.