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screen printing => Screen Making => Topic started by: rmonks on September 03, 2012, 07:48:53 PM
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I just ordered some tape from Uline PVC Tan 3" wide tape I use to tape off the inside and outside of my screens. I just figured this weekend that I can tape 14 screens with one roll of 3" tape, and I figured the cost of that tape and the freight is running me .67 cents per screen. Never dreamed it would cost that much.
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i only tape the inside of the screen.
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Are you using blockout in addition to the tape, or just tape? Once we stated using blockout we were able to cut our tape use back by more than 75%. Also, that brown packing tape, or whatever it is, leaves a hell of a mess.
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Are you using blockout in addition to the tape, or just tape? Once we stated using blockout we were able to cut our tape use back by more than 75%. Also, that brown packing tape, or whatever it is, leaves a hell of a mess.
The PVC tape does not leave the mess that other tapes leave behind, have you got a figure on what it cost to blockout per screen, I may need to check into that as of now I use blockout to fix pin holes.
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It's not necessarily the "brown" that is messy, or the PVC that is not.
It's a matter of wanting rubber adhesive rather than acrylic adhesive whether the tape is tan or clear, PVC or polypropylene
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Speaking of Andy... I got a case of that tape you recommended.
Only issue I have with it is that if I tear it, it kind of stretches and "bunches"... this causes crevasses and creases for the ink to collect in when you have to wipe a screen (using it to cover pin holes or reggy marks).
Do you just cut it or not use it for anything but taping the inside of the screen?
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I never tear, I cut from a dispenser. whether for screens, or cartons. The only real difference is I cut in advance when taping screens, and usually off of the dispenser directly when sealing cartons.
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Can you explain that better?
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This will probably make some of you nuts but I use a tape dispenser gun when applying to the underside of the screen. Been doing it that way for a couple of decades and never have the teeth ripped a screen.
Much faster and more accurate.
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Can you explain that better?
Sure, at least I can try.
When I am taping the inside of a screen, I cut from the dispenser, but not as I attach the tape where I am sealing the screen. I do it along the edge of the frame, sort of a temporary "parking place", which I then re-position to where it belongs, sealing the mesh to the frame. I have attempted to illustrate the two steps.
Tony is braver, and, at least on the print side, uses the dispenser as it was designed, like on cartons. btw, I don't have one of those fancy dispensers with a handle, but rather the minimalist type, that does little more than hold the roll, and provide a cutting blade.
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"I just ordered some tape from Uline PVC Tan 3" wide tape I use to tape off the inside and outside of my screens. I just figured this weekend that I can tape 14 screens with one roll of 3" tape, and I figured the cost of that tape and the freight is running me .67 cents per screen. Never dreamed it would cost that much."
I don't see any amount for labor? Just saying
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Like Tony, I use a dispenser, but a table top type. After training and and actual practice of taping, my guys (gals) can tape a screen with three pieces on the inside and one on the print side in about 40 seconds.
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Nobody is mentioning the length of the rolls they are using, seems that is an important part?
Anyways I use a generic tape from Nazdar. It is called white blockout 3" wide by 110 yards long for $7.36. Its not the best tape but it works fantastiic, zero residue easy to cut and work with. Compared to blue block out and pretty much all other tapes they all come in 60 yard rolls you cant beat the price!
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Like Tony, I use a dispenser, but a table top type. After training and and actual practice of taping, my guys (gals) can tape a screen with three pieces on the inside and one on the print side in about 40 seconds.
How does that work? Where are the 3 pcs going on top and the piece on bottom?
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Can you explain that better?
Sure, at least I can try.
When I am taping the inside of a screen, I cut from the dispenser, but not as I attach the tape where I am sealing the screen. I do it along the edge of the frame, sort of a temporary "parking place", which I then re-position to where it belongs, sealing the mesh to the frame. I have attempted to illustrate the two steps.
Tony is braver, and, at least on the print side, uses the dispenser as it was designed, like on cartons. btw, I don't have one of those fancy dispensers with a handle, but rather the minimalist type, that does little more than hold the roll, and provide a cutting blade.
Thanks Andy... so you always use the despenser, just off the screen.
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Thanks Andy... so you always use the despenser, just off the screen.
Well, to be completely honest, I've been known to misplace it a few times and have been forced to rely on scissors on those occasions. ;D
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Like Tony, I use a dispenser, but a table top type. After training and and actual practice of taping, my guys (gals) can tape a screen with three pieces on the inside and one on the print side in about 40 seconds.
How does that work? Where are the 3 pcs going on top and the piece on bottom?
We use Newman M3 frames, all 23x31. Almost everything is done on an auto. We use a "split-liner' tape on the inside. One piece on each long roller, and one piece on the top short roller. A small piece of 2" clear on the print side to tape off information box
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Gotcha.
Thanks!
(Andy, try sleeping more than 4 hours) ;)
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We get about 30 screens to a roll, at 5.15/roll, coming out to about .17 per screen in tape. It takes us about 30-40 seconds to tape a screen, sometimes a minute, using tape dispensers mounted to a table. Our tape is 3" clear from a local tape supplier, rubber based adhesive and we use 1.8, 2.0 or 2.2 mil, depends on what is closer usually since I don't know we are running low until it's too late.
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Thanks Andy... so you always use the despenser, just off the screen.
Well, to be completely honest, I've been known to misplace it a few times and have been forced to rely on scissors on those occasions. ;D
Scissors? They still make those?
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Thanks Andy... so you always use the despenser, just off the screen.
Well, to be completely honest, I've been known to misplace it a few times and have been forced to rely on scissors on those occasions. ;D
Scissors? They still make those?
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Way too high tech for Andy, I'd bet.
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of course, the cost to tape a screen is half the battle, there is a cost in untaping that screen as well.
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We leave the tape on while the ink is being washed off in the wash out booth, by time that part is done the adhesive has loosened up enough to easily pull right off, small bonus is the adhesive is mostly wetted down and makes tossing the tape in a bag or box easier.
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As long as I don't use a dip tank, my tape often stays on for a dozen or more jobs!
I consider it semi-permanent.
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I only tape the insides of our screens (squeegee side) never tape the back side...never really had a problem with ink getting pass.
Darryl
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Just for paper, but more my style :D
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When I figured labor in on frame tape for 23x31s we were right under a buck--split tape at the frame, two pieces of cheap rubber base going in from each roller. Manual statics run about half that (and 1/3rd the tape) Even ganging on screens it pulls in 6-8 seconds.
I used to play around a bit with keeping tape in, but never had very much luck between reclaiming and coating right up to the edge--stinks having flakes of emulsion falling off the tape into your ink... >:(