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Vinyl and similar products applied without a heat press => Cold Vinyl => Topic started by: Denis Kolar on September 12, 2012, 08:24:10 AM
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I purchased new Graphtec 24" cutter and as a complete newbie, I need a list of supplies I need to buy :)
Blades (Which angele for what), which vinyl, I have seen that there are some liquids that I would need to buy, any tools (Squeegees and weeders I know) and so on.
Homer have already send me a PM with some stuf, but the more info I get it would be better.
Thanks in advance
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Your dealer should help with that... Any of the material vendors like Siser, Stahl's, etc. should have info too. I use a Roland 45° carbide tip, it cuts everything I use. I don't do signs, so can't comment on those materials.
Steve
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I guess that makes sense :)
Thanks, now I'm starting to be like Gilly LOL
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multicraft stocks cutter stuff. give them a call. Ask for Ruth.
pierre
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I guess that makes sense :)
Thanks, now I'm starting to be like Gilly LOL
Ah, so easy to do when you feel lost for a direction isn't it. ;)
Shoot me a PM of what you are trying to do and I can give you the answers that have been given to me. ;)
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Thanks, now I'm starting to be like Gilly LOL
Ah, so easy to do when you feel lost for a direction isn't it. ;)
LOL. I knew you were gonna respond to that.
PM sent
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Yeah, I'm a jerk like that. ;)
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I like sign warehouse good folks
Sent from samsung gem(the worst smart phone ever)
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www.imprintables.com (http://www.imprintables.com) great people to work with.
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I have found Oracal 651 vinyl on 24" rolls and 10' long for $11 each with free shipping if you order more than $70. Is that good price? I'm guessing it is :)
Also, FDC or Oracal? Which one is better?
Thanks
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FDC is junk, FDC is a converter, they do not make the vinyl., they just relabel the vinyl. Avery is crap too. Oracal is great stuff, we use it on everything from wraps to signs. just don't buy 3M. . .
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FDC is junk, FDC is a converter, they do not make the vinyl., they just relabel the vinyl. Avery is crap too. Oracal is great stuff, we use it on everything from wraps to signs. just don't buy 3M. . .
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Oracal only then :)
GT?
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there are other's out there -don't just take my word on it - 3M is a bunch of sneaky bastards. If interested, I'll pm you the info.
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As I mentioned in my PM... Greenline or whatever it is called that US cutters has is pretty decent stuff as well.
I personally use it as my throw away vinyl for masking but I'd put out cheap stickers with it as well. Anything LONG term and I'd go Oracal.
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As I mentioned in my PM... Greenline or whatever it is called that US cutters has is pretty decent stuff as well.
I personally use it as my throw away vinyl for masking but I'd put out cheap stickers with it as well. Anything LONG term and I'd go Oracal.
It is Greenstar......And as far as it being "pretty decent stuff", not in my mind......I have some decals on my truck cut from Greenstar (as a test) and they really shrunk and you can see the adhesive peeking out the edges all the way around.....The adhesive collects dirt and it looks ugly......I mostly use Oracal 751 which is about 60 cents a square foot.....If you need to go cheaper, Oracal 651 is about 30 cents a square foot.....
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As I mentioned in my PM... Greenline or whatever it is called that US cutters has is pretty decent stuff as well.
I personally use it as my throw away vinyl for masking but I'd put out cheap stickers with it as well. Anything LONG term and I'd go Oracal.
It is Greenstar......And as far as it being "pretty decent stuff", not in my mind......I have some decals on my truck cut from Greenstar (as a test) and they really shrunk and you can see the adhesive peeking out the edges all the way around.....The adhesive collects dirt and it looks ugly......I mostly use Oracal 751 which is about 60 cents a square foot.....If you need to go cheaper, Oracal 651 is about 30 cents a square foot.....
Thanks for clarifying.
Like I said, I personally use it as throw away vinyl. That stuff only stays on for a couple of days at most and that is only if the wife is working SLOW... she likes to apply it, sand blast and pull it ASAP as it's much easier than if it has time to set in.
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Gilly, are you sandblasting or something? We used to etch beer glasses and things with an etching paste. Hot water makes the vinyl literally fall right off the glass, no peeling required. Has to be hot though.
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Avery is crap too. Oracal is great stuff, we use it on everything from wraps to signs.
Been using Avery almost exclusively for several years now without a single issue, what problems did you find with it? and which line?
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Gilly, are you sandblasting or something? We used to etch beer glasses and things with an etching paste. Hot water makes the vinyl literally fall right off the glass, no peeling required. Has to be hot though.
... she likes to apply it, sand blast and pull it ASAP as it's much easier than if it has time to set in.
tada! ;)
We do LOTS of these at a time and hot water is just slower if we work fast and the glue doesn't really set in. We've tried all sorts of things. Laid hot wet paper towels (and real towels) over them, let them float in water... tons of things. Best thing we have found is peel them ASAP and then some denatured alcohol to get any residue off.
We have quite a process in assembling this product as we make the best in the world (seriously), and we can still knock out over 500 pcs in a week. Cutting, weeding (sometimes intricate designs), applying, blasting, cleaning up... prepping other parts, assembling them and packaging them all up. The wife always impresses me in how fast she can get those orders done. I just deposit the checks. :)
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A few years back they had MASSIVE issues with their vinyl releasing and they refused to admit it was their fault. They screwed over a ton of shops. So many people lost customers and the replacement costs. They have some decent wrap vinyl now but it comes down to the principle, they won't stand behind their product.
On the same note, 3M can go fk themselves. If you want to know about those issues, PM me. I'll send you the link. It's interesting. I always thought 3M was top notch, man was I wrong. Royster knows what I'm talking about.
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What's with the xM companies? ;)
For what we do, we just wanted the CHEAPEST white (easier to see when blasting) vinyl that cut well. Since it all goes in the garbage. If anyone has a better suggestion I'm down.
Till then I'll just keep greenstart for trash and get some 651 or something for the real decals.
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I think that I will go with Oracal and Siser.
Seem to be the most popular choice