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Title: Couple pictures of the shop
Post by: GraphicDisorder on September 25, 2012, 07:14:59 AM
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Title: Re: Couple pictures of the shop
Post by: tonypep on September 25, 2012, 07:33:18 AM
Nice, very organized looking.
Title: Re: Couple pictures of the shop
Post by: sweetts on September 25, 2012, 07:53:45 AM
wow what a ton of room nice

Sent  from samsung gem(the worst smart phone ever)
Title: Re: Couple pictures of the shop
Post by: GraphicDisorder on September 25, 2012, 08:02:08 AM
It's getting better, we are going to move our exposure unit and such out in the warehouse soon.  Removing some racks out there that are not that useful currently.  Making space for one of our other employees to have a desk/space so she can learn digitizing and become even more independent with embroidery. 
Title: Re: Couple pictures of the shop
Post by: mk162 on September 25, 2012, 08:50:51 AM
are you going to build a room for screens, or just a cabinet and expose them in the warehouse?
Title: Re: Couple pictures of the shop
Post by: GraphicDisorder on September 25, 2012, 09:13:29 AM
are you going to build a room for screens, or just a cabinet and expose them in the warehouse?

We expose every day in the inside light, the warehouse is actually poorly lit compared to inside.  No intentions of building a screen room, screens will come out of our cabinets onto the exposure unit.  Wash out is done in seconds after burn. 
Title: Re: Couple pictures of the shop
Post by: mk162 on September 25, 2012, 09:17:15 AM
cool.  i tend to prefer rooms since it keeps things better organized.  i want to build an ink room as well eventually.  it's what I grew up with though.

nice shop.  I like the shape, ours is long and narrow...makes it hard to fit a decent press in it.  plenty of room, it's just not shaped right.

Title: Re: Couple pictures of the shop
Post by: Gilligan on September 25, 2012, 09:18:16 AM
But isn't your shop lighting metal halide vs fluorescent?
Title: Re: Couple pictures of the shop
Post by: Homer on September 25, 2012, 09:24:38 AM
very nice B, what's your total sq/ft? nice clean floors. I like that.
Title: Re: Couple pictures of the shop
Post by: 3Deep on September 25, 2012, 09:47:37 AM
whats that truck all about wish I could pull my ride in the shop I would just love that, on slow days I could play around with the ride.  Nice place guy!!

Darryl
Title: Re: Couple pictures of the shop
Post by: mk162 on September 25, 2012, 09:54:27 AM
darryl, get yourself a couple MG midgets, they fit just about anywhere.  I restored mine in the warehouse. ;)
Title: Re: Couple pictures of the shop
Post by: inkman996 on September 25, 2012, 09:58:17 AM
Brad we have the same issue our place is long and narrow, our industry really requires a more square lay out. Something we will always keep in mind for the future if and when we move.
Title: Re: Couple pictures of the shop
Post by: mk162 on September 25, 2012, 10:15:37 AM
i am not moving anytime soon.  My dad owns the building and it was understood I would stay here.  I can take over the other offices if needed and convert them to warehouse space or move things around if needed.
Title: Re: Couple pictures of the shop
Post by: Sbrem on September 25, 2012, 10:45:20 AM
Beautiful place. I don't know if I could actually function in such a clean envrironment... ;D  very nice.

Steve
Title: Re: Couple pictures of the shop
Post by: JBLUE on September 25, 2012, 11:16:35 AM
Beautiful place. I don't know if I could actually function in such a clean envrironment... ;D  very nice.

Steve

I was thinking the same thing. Nice looking shop Brandt.

Title: Re: Couple pictures of the shop
Post by: GraphicDisorder on September 25, 2012, 12:21:25 PM
But isn't your shop lighting metal halide vs fluorescent?

Ya 30ft in the air and there is only 5 of them for 6,300sqft.  Ive left screens out there for days no issue lol. 

Title: Re: Couple pictures of the shop
Post by: GraphicDisorder on September 25, 2012, 12:22:29 PM
very nice B, what's your total sq/ft? nice clean floors. I like that.

8,000sqft.  We have 4 offices upstairs not pictured.  Also not pictured there is 2 other vehicles in the shop behind the camera.  LOL.
Title: Re: Couple pictures of the shop
Post by: GraphicDisorder on September 25, 2012, 12:23:10 PM
whats that truck all about wish I could pull my ride in the shop I would just love that, on slow days I could play around with the ride.  Nice place guy!!

Darryl

That's my toy, we keep it inside here, along with 2 other trucks.  3 in the shop at this time (2 were not pictured). 
Title: Re: Couple pictures of the shop
Post by: GraphicDisorder on September 25, 2012, 12:24:39 PM
Beautiful place. I don't know if I could actually function in such a clean envrironment... ;D  very nice.

Steve


Beautiful place. I don't know if I could actually function in such a clean envrironment... ;D  very nice.

Steve

I was thinking the same thing. Nice looking shop Brandt.



Thanks!
Title: Re: Couple pictures of the shop
Post by: Gilligan on September 25, 2012, 12:25:10 PM
But isn't your shop lighting metal halide vs fluorescent?

Ya 30ft in the air and there is only 5 of them for 6,300sqft.  Ive left screens out there for days no issue lol.

I'm sure you know what is best.
Title: Re: Couple pictures of the shop
Post by: GraphicDisorder on September 25, 2012, 12:39:08 PM
But isn't your shop lighting metal halide vs fluorescent?

Ya 30ft in the air and there is only 5 of them for 6,300sqft.  Ive left screens out there for days no issue lol.

I'm sure you know what is best.

I am sure you will keep posting about how you think I think I know what is best. 

I never suggest it was best, but I know that coating, moving, carrying, screens in open light has never once caused us a issue. 
Title: Re: Couple pictures of the shop
Post by: Gilligan on September 25, 2012, 01:36:02 PM
I'm only echoing what you keep telling us, don't get upset with me about it.
Title: Re: Couple pictures of the shop
Post by: IntegrityShirts on September 25, 2012, 01:45:30 PM
Uh oh here we go... :-*

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Title: Re: Couple pictures of the shop
Post by: GraphicDisorder on September 25, 2012, 01:49:29 PM
I'm only echoing what you keep telling us, don't get upset with me about it.

Who's upset? 

If in fact I keep saying it, then why do you need to repeat it?  Redundant no?

You are turning into a nice troll though.  I'll give ya that.  LOL

Title: Re: Couple pictures of the shop
Post by: mk162 on September 25, 2012, 01:57:48 PM
brandt and gilligan are like an old married couple, they bitch at each other all the time and never have sex.
Title: Re: Couple pictures of the shop
Post by: Gilligan on September 25, 2012, 02:16:52 PM
Wanna give me something?

Give me a time that you have come here and someone suggested something different that the way you were doing and you said "Great idea, I'll have to implement that!"

I watch you come on here time and again, asking for advice and then tell all those that attempt to give you the advice you sought how it that doesn't work for you and your business.  I just don't get the point of it, you seem to have it all worked out, why ask for help.  Seems like you are only here in an attempt to show off.  <-- I'll give you that.

Someone sent me a PM laughing at a joke I made a while back and said "I'm sure those socks that he's wearing are the best damn socks you be wearing."  Now, that is funny.

But all in all, it's your life man... I've had my fun with it, now I'm gonna check out... sorry to all my fans but the jokes really write themselves and they are getting predictable at this point I'm sure.

I'm out!
Title: Re: Couple pictures of the shop
Post by: GraphicDisorder on September 25, 2012, 02:41:57 PM
Wanna give me something?
 

Not even the time of day generally. 

Give me a time that you have come here and someone suggested something different that the way you were doing and you said "Great idea, I'll have to implement that!"
 

What makes you think I don't do that without commenting?  I mean since you got it all worked out, you would know...right?  But OK I will bite.  Since coming "here" (which is actually the culmination of several sites IMO), we have began printing on higher mesh, less revolver, changed inks on recommendations, got a better rip, better printer (4880), high quality auto, dryer, etc.  It's interesting you would suggest that me someone that created a thread about what auto to buy then took the exact advice in the thread doesn't really follow suggestions of people.  That's interesting, tell me another cool story bro.  I think you have a selective memory it seems to me. 

I watch you come on here time and again, asking for advice and then tell all those that attempt to give you the advice you sought how it that doesn't work for you and your business.  I just don't get the point of it, you seem to have it all worked out, why ask for help.  Seems like you are only here in an attempt to show off.  <-- I'll give you that.

Sorry to disappoint but I don't create a lot of threads asking for help, so this doesn't make a lot of sense to me how it could be "time and time again".  Have I asked for help and people answer out of context or the answer isn't suitable because of some other detail, absolutely.  It's kind of like you, you were already set on buying a certain embroidery machine, so why did you start a thread to start with.  You already had your mind made up.  I know it drove you nuts when I pointed that out as well.  Because by your own math that makes you just like me ;)

Someone sent me a PM laughing at a joke I made a while back and said "I'm sure those socks that he's wearing are the best damn socks you be wearing."  Now, that is funny.
 

You aren't the only one getting PM's like that ;)

But all in all, it's your life man... I've had my fun with it, now I'm gonna check out... sorry to all my fans but the jokes really write themselves and they are getting predictable at this point I'm sure.

For a second there I thought it was your life the way you follow me around in threads.  LOL

I'm out!

Promise?  LOL
Title: Re: Couple pictures of the shop
Post by: inkman996 on September 25, 2012, 02:55:24 PM
Wheres Musterd when you need him, oh never mind I will do it.

Title: Re: Couple pictures of the shop
Post by: Gilligan on September 25, 2012, 03:10:39 PM
I will only say this... I'm still up in the air on what embroidery machine to get.

I was recently involved in a possible brand new 2 head SWF *gasp* but the details just didn't get worked out like I had hoped.

Happy, SWF, Tajima... hell, I ALMOST went look at some Aymani(sp) XT's that were for sell locally... almost. ;)  As long as the price is right and it will sew out properly I don't care who put their label on it.
Title: Re: Couple pictures of the shop
Post by: ole jobe on September 25, 2012, 03:15:33 PM
Nobody is working?
Title: Re: Couple pictures of the shop
Post by: GraphicDisorder on September 25, 2012, 04:17:26 PM
Nobody is working?

Productive day here.  Stephanie just did a rush order of 150 hats being boxed now for shipping, I just did 50 metal hats (affixed metal logos).  Erik is banging out some art, and Shelly is doing 50 screens for Wed/Thurs/Fri's print jobs. 
Title: Re: Couple pictures of the shop
Post by: whitewater on September 25, 2012, 05:09:32 PM
dude....nice shop
Title: Re: Couple pictures of the shop
Post by: JBLUE on September 25, 2012, 05:13:49 PM
I will only say this... I'm still up in the air on what embroidery machine to get.

I was recently involved in a possible brand new 2 head SWF *gasp* but the details just didn't get worked out like I had hoped.

Happy, SWF, Tajima... hell, I ALMOST went look at some Aymani(sp) XT's that were for sell locally... almost. ;)  As long as the price is right and it will sew out properly I don't care who put their label on it.

Not a good way to think there Gilligan. Buy it right once or spend double doing it right the second time.
Title: Re: Couple pictures of the shop
Post by: IntegrityShirts on September 25, 2012, 05:49:16 PM
Wheres Musterd when you need him, oh never mind I will do it.

Dude I'm here.  My image link broke.  Didn't use the popcorn, figured girl fight was more appropriate lol
Title: Re: Couple pictures of the shop
Post by: Nation03 on September 25, 2012, 06:24:25 PM
Awesome shop.

Hey Brandt.. I just started using the same exposure unit. Do you mess with the exposure times for different mesh counts or do you generally use the same time for everything? I'm trying to get the most detail on our halftone work and sometimes I think I'm overexposing.
Title: Re: Couple pictures of the shop
Post by: GraphicDisorder on September 25, 2012, 07:37:26 PM
Awesome shop.

Hey Brandt.. I just started using the same exposure unit. Do you mess with the exposure times for different mesh counts or do you generally use the same time for everything? I'm trying to get the most detail on our halftone work and sometimes I think I'm overexposing.

Thanks!

Same for all however I'm sure that's not the most correct, however we've had great results doing that. 
Title: Re: Couple pictures of the shop
Post by: Orion on September 25, 2012, 11:25:55 PM
Nice shop Brandt! You guys put out some great looking screen/embroidery designs, kudos to you and the crew there.

Gilligan, get a Tajima.

Someone mentioned an exposure unit, and getting the best detail out of their halftones. There are many different exposure calculators available from different emulsion manufacturers. These are printed films that you affix to your screen and expose to calculate the best possible exposures for variables such as coating method, mesh counts, light source, etc... The problem I see with exposure calculators is that the dMax values of the provided films will not match the dMax value of your film. If your films are weaker (less opaque) than the test film, most of the data from the test is irrelevant. The test films will give you a roundabout figure or a starting point but the trick is to use your film, your own coating technique, and find where you are losing detail and or low percentage halftones vs. underexposure which results in scumming on the squeegee side of the screen and the loss of higher percentage halftones . Emulsion companies would serve us better by supplying us with digital files to output our own test films for more some really dialed in exposures and more accurate results.

Title: Re: Couple pictures of the shop
Post by: JBLUE on September 26, 2012, 12:25:16 AM
Nice shop Brandt! You guys put out some great looking screen/embroidery designs, kudos to you and the crew there.

Gilligan, get a Tajima.

Someone mentioned an exposure unit, and getting the best detail out of their halftones. There are many different exposure calculators available from different emulsion manufacturers. These are printed films that you affix to your screen and expose to calculate the best possible exposures for variables such as coating method, mesh counts, light source, etc... The problem I see with exposure calculators is that the dMax values of the provided films will not match the dMax value of your film. If your films are weaker (less opaque) than the test film, most of the data from the test is irrelevant. The test films will give you a roundabout figure or a starting point but the trick is to use your film, your own coating technique, and find where you are losing detail and or low percentage halftones vs. underexposure which results in scumming on the squeegee side of the screen and the loss of higher percentage halftones . Emulsion companies would serve us better by supplying us with digital files to output our own test films for more some really dialed in exposures and more accurate results.

Great explanation. Kiwo was at the shop the other day and did some testing with us. They used their film done on an image setter. Big difference in exposure times using their film and what we use. My burn times were significantly higher than the sample films we tested with. Like you say its just a starting point. Sometimes not even in the ball park.
Title: Re: Couple pictures of the shop
Post by: Gilligan on September 26, 2012, 10:28:12 AM
I've always agreed with this.  I don't see the need for an exposure calculator like they provide.  It's not apples to apples.

Problem with them giving us digital files (other than them spreading like wild fire and harder for them to "sell" them), is that what most of the calculators I have see are using neutral density filters at various percentages.  You can't print ND filters... you can only print percentages of 100% (if that makes any sense).

Thus leaving you with the ol' step wedge test really being the only way to do it "properly".

It would be nice if you could send them a sample of your films, they could test what 100% opaque was for you and then give you a "curve" to grade their films with.  If you get 95% opaque compared to their 100% then everything is off by 5% (total guess that it would work that linearly).  So then if you need 100 light units for proper exposure with their film then it would mean 95 light units with your films.

The problem comes in on the other side of the spectrum, 100% clear.  If their films aren't "water proof" and are mo' clear than yours then that raises another set of variables.  Bringing MORE to the table of test with your own films... but I would think the master mind mathematicians could figure out some sort of curve... maybe it's a pipe dream. :)
Title: Re: Couple pictures of the shop
Post by: IntegrityShirts on September 26, 2012, 10:33:19 AM
I've always agreed with this.  I don't see the need for an exposure calculator like they provide.  It's not apples to apples.

Problem with them giving us digital files (other than them spreading like wild fire and harder for them to "sell" them), is that what most of the calculators I have see are using neutral density filters at various percentages.  You can't print ND filters... you can only print percentages of 100% (if that makes any sense).

Thus leaving you with the ol' step wedge test really being the only way to do it "properly".

It would be nice if you could send them a sample of your films, they could test what 100% opaque was for you and then give you a "curve" to grade their films with.  If you get 95% opaque compared to their 100% then everything is off by 5% (total guess that it would work that linearly).  So then if you need 100 light units for proper exposure with their film then it would mean 95 light units with your films.

The problem comes in on the other side of the spectrum, 100% clear.  If their films aren't "water proof" and are mo' clear than yours then that raises another set of variables.  Bringing MORE to the table of test with your own films... but I would think the master mind mathematicians could figure out some sort of curve... maybe it's a pipe dream. :)

Solution:

Company supplies same image set film test sheet, with extra neutral density filter piece and file to print/attach ND film to
.....
profit?
Title: Re: Couple pictures of the shop
Post by: mk162 on September 26, 2012, 10:33:44 AM
here's an idea, put a piece of the film you use down on top of the exposure calc.  That way it shoots through both.  The expo calc proabably has virtuall no UV block, where the WP films have a decent amount
Title: Re: Couple pictures of the shop
Post by: GraphicDisorder on September 26, 2012, 10:41:35 AM
Nice shop Brandt! You guys put out some great looking screen/embroidery designs, kudos to you and the crew there.

Thank's! 
Title: Re: Couple pictures of the shop
Post by: inkman996 on September 26, 2012, 10:52:37 AM
here's an idea, put a piece of the film you use down on top of the exposure calc.  That way it shoots through both.  The expo calc proabably has virtuall no UV block, where the WP films have a decent amount

Damn I think you should tip of the week with that one!
Title: Re: Couple pictures of the shop
Post by: Gilligan on September 26, 2012, 11:26:57 AM
here's an idea, put a piece of the film you use down on top of the exposure calc.  That way it shoots through both.  The expo calc proabably has virtuall no UV block, where the WP films have a decent amount

Good idea, just when I was about to right you off for your political views. ;) j/k
Title: Re: Couple pictures of the shop
Post by: JBLUE on September 26, 2012, 11:50:59 AM
here's an idea, put a piece of the film you use down on top of the exposure calc.  That way it shoots through both.  The expo calc proabably has virtuall no UV block, where the WP films have a decent amount

Yes then you throw them for a loop. I was going to do that but I had a very important meeting to go to so I could not spend anymore time with the guy. It is great emulsion and had no trouble holding an 85 lpi dot. Even under a 100 power loop the dots were as perfect as your going to get.