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screen printing => Ink and Chemicals => Topic started by: GraphicDisorder on October 05, 2012, 09:28:51 AM

Title: Discharge, soup to nuts. Talk to me like I am a 5 year old.
Post by: GraphicDisorder on October 05, 2012, 09:28:51 AM
I am ready to try this stuff.  Soup to nuts, what is best stuff to buy, where is the best place to get it, what all should I know, do I need a full mixing system for colors or should I just be using plastisol for top colors.  Is there like a start up kit to try?  Pretend I have nothing, other than regular ink. 

Leave nothing out.  Like I am a 5 year old.

1000% thanks in advance. 
Title: Re: Discharge, soup to nuts. Talk to me like I am a 5 year old.
Post by: ericheartsu on October 05, 2012, 09:37:49 AM
we've had FANTASTIC results with matsui white through 156 mesh screens.
for other colors we've had really good luck with Sericol.
Title: Re: Discharge, soup to nuts. Talk to me like I am a 5 year old.
Post by: tonypep on October 05, 2012, 10:04:55 AM
Since I'm not fond of repeating myself unless absolutely necessary (plus it's Friday and i don't want to work too hard) try a search for "discharge" there are 7 pages. Should get you started.
Title: Re: Discharge, soup to nuts. Talk to me like I am a 5 year old.
Post by: GraphicDisorder on October 05, 2012, 12:01:51 PM
Ya felt like I was reading less specific info than id like.  Again like I am a 5 year old.

No problem though, I got some people calling me to help. 

Thanks guys!
Title: Re: Discharge, soup to nuts. Talk to me like I am a 5 year old.
Post by: tonypep on October 05, 2012, 12:28:46 PM
OK Brandt here ya go. I use CCI 25WR emulsion using a 19" scoop coater on a 23x31 rigid frame. Block out with emulsion post expose and apply Hardener X.
For ink I have pretty much everything. PC and finished ink. Your choice they all work. PCs perhaps trickier but pick a system that has formulas like Sericol or CCI. Dont know if Rutland has formulas but their PCs are the old Pavonine from Union. Sericol for flos don't even try any thing else. For DC UB try a 70% base to white ratio. Best to leave screen in flood position. Keep fans away. Don't over tape the underside of the screen as the stencil needs to breathe. Too much tape actually traps water and you will get tape lines. Mesh counts from 110 to 305......keep low when printing manually. Gas dryer 10 ft heat minimum. Not impossible on electric.
P-Mail me with any other questions but don't forget to post how easy it was!
Title: Re: Discharge, soup to nuts. Talk to me like I am a 5 year old.
Post by: Rockers on October 05, 2012, 12:30:21 PM
Just did some discharge with Magna Color extreme white through a 276 mesh. Awesome, much better then the Sericol stuff.
Title: Re: Discharge, soup to nuts. Talk to me like I am a 5 year old.
Post by: GraphicDisorder on October 05, 2012, 12:36:39 PM
OK Brandt here ya go. I use CCI 25WR emulsion using a 19" scoop coater on a 23x31 rigid frame. Block out with emulsion post expose and apply Hardener X.
For ink I have pretty much everything. PC and finished ink. Your choice they all work. PCs perhaps trickier but pick a system that has formulas like Sericol or CCI. Dont know if Rutland has formulas but their PCs are the old Pavonine from Union. Sericol for flos don't even try any thing else. For DC UB try a 70% base to white ratio. Best to leave screen in flood position. Keep fans away. Don't over tape the underside of the screen as the stencil needs to breathe. Too much tape actually traps water and you will get tape lines. Mesh counts from 110 to 305......keep low when printing manually. Gas dryer 10 ft heat minimum. Not impossible on electric.
P-Mail me with any other questions but don't forget to post how easy it was!

Thank you sir!
Title: Re: Discharge, soup to nuts. Talk to me like I am a 5 year old.
Post by: Rockers on October 05, 2012, 12:44:57 PM
The hardner is an option when doing long runs but if you do 100 pcs you might as well skip that step. We use Ulano QT-discharge and had no problems so far. I would really look into the Magna Color discharge whites.
Title: Re: Discharge, soup to nuts. Talk to me like I am a 5 year old.
Post by: tonypep on October 05, 2012, 12:45:52 PM
And here is our WB ink room. Note the formula book. Off to the right is a stainless sink and a one color manual jig to test and make samples. Cups and pails of all sizes stored below. Mustard bottles are best for PC dispersal.
Title: Re: Discharge, soup to nuts. Talk to me like I am a 5 year old.
Post by: GraphicDisorder on October 05, 2012, 01:08:15 PM
One brand over another, any bonus or are we talking basically similar results?
Title: Re: Discharge, soup to nuts. Talk to me like I am a 5 year old.
Post by: tonypep on October 05, 2012, 01:10:29 PM
Magna, Matsui, and Rutland for PCs. All work very well. CCI makes a great white and base and they are cheap. Haven't tried thePCs.
Title: Re: Discharge, soup to nuts. Talk to me like I am a 5 year old.
Post by: mk162 on October 05, 2012, 01:12:11 PM
the pc's are good, they don't have pluo colors.  but the wilfex oasis fluo pcs are amazing.
Title: Re: Discharge, soup to nuts. Talk to me like I am a 5 year old.
Post by: GraphicDisorder on October 05, 2012, 01:18:04 PM
Guys SO MUCH I love your help, but please like I am a five year old.

PC stands for? 

Title: Re: Discharge, soup to nuts. Talk to me like I am a 5 year old.
Post by: Frog on October 05, 2012, 01:22:00 PM
Guys SO MUCH I love your help, but please like I am a five year old.

PC stands for?

Ooh ooh Mr Kotter, I know this one!

Pigment concentrates
Title: Re: Discharge, soup to nuts. Talk to me like I am a 5 year old.
Post by: ebscreen on October 05, 2012, 01:24:51 PM
Stands for Phucking Crap that gets dried out if not stored properly or if it's Rutlands black
causing pigment bursts/blanks spots in your screens.
Title: Re: Discharge, soup to nuts. Talk to me like I am a 5 year old.
Post by: tonypep on October 05, 2012, 01:28:22 PM
Wilflex Oasis is Magna. Or was. They dropped it due to availability and stocking issues. Nazdar now carries it and Peter says those problems will be addressed. As far as the black chips......hence the mustard bottles.
Title: Re: Discharge, soup to nuts. Talk to me like I am a 5 year old.
Post by: jasonl on October 05, 2012, 01:37:44 PM
I prefer Sericol, ONLY for the discharge out of the bucket reason.  I used Matsui and Oasis with decent results, but I prefer Sericol.  Gotta try the Magna.
Title: Re: Discharge, soup to nuts. Talk to me like I am a 5 year old.
Post by: ebscreen on October 05, 2012, 01:39:05 PM
I really liked the Sericol as well, very nice out of the bucket. Specifically stress tested some though
and had the same issues with dried particles. Not as bad as with pigments, and I purposely
tried to make it happen, but still could be an issue.
Title: Re: Discharge, soup to nuts. Talk to me like I am a 5 year old.
Post by: GraphicDisorder on October 05, 2012, 01:43:13 PM
Who sells Sericol?

Title: Re: Discharge, soup to nuts. Talk to me like I am a 5 year old.
Post by: Prosperi-Tees on October 05, 2012, 01:44:37 PM
Atlas Screen, Dimensional Products or buy direct.
Title: Re: Discharge, soup to nuts. Talk to me like I am a 5 year old.
Post by: tonypep on October 05, 2012, 02:08:55 PM
Sericol CS# is 800-255-4562 they will give you your rep contact. Brandt I think yours is Bob Weaver 731-293-9530  (if you're in Tenn that is)
Sericol is very generous with samples. I helped a few companies get started this yr and the sent four gallons of color to each shop free of charge
Title: Re: Discharge, soup to nuts. Talk to me like I am a 5 year old.
Post by: ebscreen on October 05, 2012, 02:12:30 PM
It seems like with a gallon size system of the Sericol we'd go through it in a month or two,
and it seems like mixing from fives would be hell. Any ideas?
Title: Re: Discharge, soup to nuts. Talk to me like I am a 5 year old.
Post by: GraphicDisorder on October 05, 2012, 02:12:47 PM
Sericol CS# is 800-255-4562 they will give you your rep contact. Brandt I think yours is Bob Weaver 731-293-9530  (if you're in Tenn that is)
Sericol is very generous with samples. I helped a few companies get started this yr and the sent four gallons of color to each shop free of charge

I fired a email to someone up there, if they dont get back right away I will call Bob.  Thanks!
Title: Re: Discharge, soup to nuts. Talk to me like I am a 5 year old.
Post by: jasonl on October 05, 2012, 05:20:43 PM
Sericol CS# is 800-255-4562 they will give you your rep contact. Brandt I think yours is Bob Weaver 731-293-9530  (if you're in Tenn that is)
Sericol is very generous with samples. I helped a few companies get started this yr and the sent four gallons of color to each shop free of charge

I fired a email to someone up there, if they dont get back right away I will call Bob.  Thanks!

If not, Marvin Foreman is the ATL rep. we are not far from you.  They gave me 4 gallons FREE!