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Title: pallet adhesive for hoodies
Post by: Shanarchy on November 05, 2012, 08:01:30 PM
What is everyone using for pallet adhesive? I generally use Tekbond TV HVwaterbase pallet adhesive, but find I have to reactivate it after almost every hoodie. I hate using spray adhesive, but will sometimes grab a can of the old evil stuff. So what do you use?
Title: Re: pallet adhesive for hoodies
Post by: Nation03 on November 05, 2012, 08:04:50 PM
I hate using spray tack as well, at least the mist spray. The web tack seems to be the way to go for hoodies. It doesn't float around in the air and you have much better control of where it goes. I still don't like using any aerosol adhesives, but for hoodies it is the fastest and easiest way.
Title: Re: pallet adhesive for hoodies
Post by: Nick Bane on November 05, 2012, 08:18:05 PM
Agreed, i hate spray cans as well, and wont use the mist anywhere, but the web spraycan is my go to for sweatshirts. 
Title: Re: pallet adhesive for hoodies
Post by: Homer on November 05, 2012, 08:18:47 PM
yeah, web spray and layered pallet tape is about the best option we have found too. . .R jennings was selling this two sided tape with like a hook and loop thing on it, I remember guys talking about it years ago, I wonder what ever happened to that?
Title: Re: pallet adhesive for hoodies
Post by: Nation03 on November 05, 2012, 08:28:29 PM
yeah, web spray and layered pallet tape is about the best option we have found too. . .R jennings was selling this two sided tape with like a hook and loop thing on it, I remember guys talking about it years ago, I wonder what ever happened to that?

He still has something like that on his site. Says it's a velcro type material. Sounds like it would hold it down, but I'm curious if it would compromise the print quality if it isn't a flat surface.
Title: Re: pallet adhesive for hoodies
Post by: Frog on November 05, 2012, 08:36:45 PM
I was one of the Dri-Tack folks, and have an adult as well as a youth set, but after a couple of bad experiences, I got away from them.
Funny thing is, even before this thread, about a week ago, I looked them out considering a controlled experiment. See, I think that I a few years back, when I used them, I found that some brands of fleece may have worked better than others. The other two possibilities are user error, or just a risky product.
For those who don't know this product (almost everyone) they are like the spikey part of velcro hook and loop fasteners.
They are a sheet which adheres to your boards, the same as a shirt, so they are very convenient when changing from regular T's to fleece.
The "spikes" are slightly angled in the opposite direction of the squeegee stroke, so that printing is supposed to make the shirt even more secure, after smoothing it towards the holding direction as well.
The shirt is removed by pulling away from the spikes.

http://dri-tack.com/dritack-pallet.htm (http://dri-tack.com/dritack-pallet.htm)
Title: Re: pallet adhesive for hoodies
Post by: Frog on November 05, 2012, 08:41:08 PM
Nation,  The sheets feel like rough sandpaper. The fleece is comparatively thick, the "spikes" are short, and not an issue.
Title: Re: pallet adhesive for hoodies
Post by: dirkdiggler on November 05, 2012, 08:54:31 PM
Unfortunately, spray tack aerosole cans are the easiest and quickest ways.  I hate that stuff, but keep it in stock for sweats.
Title: Re: pallet adhesive for hoodies
Post by: Nation03 on November 05, 2012, 08:58:12 PM
Nation,  The sheets feel like rough sandpaper. The fleece is comparatively thick, the "spikes" are short, and not an issue.

Ah, thanks for clearing that up.
Title: Re: pallet adhesive for hoodies
Post by: Shawn (EIP) on November 05, 2012, 09:30:28 PM
I still have my Jennings drytack sheet that came with a shop buy out and have yet to give it a go.... 5 years later I think I'll try it out!
Title: Re: pallet adhesive for hoodies
Post by: Rockers on November 05, 2012, 09:45:45 PM
What is everyone using for pallet adhesive? I generally use Tekbond TV HVwaterbase pallet adhesive, but find I have to reactivate it after almost every hoodie. I hate using spray adhesive, but will sometimes grab a can of the old evil stuff. So what do you use?
I remember Chromaline having a pallet adhesive for fleece tops. TexTac II. 5Gallons for $160.
https://www.chromaline.com/product/textac-ii/ (https://www.chromaline.com/product/textac-ii/)
Title: Re: pallet adhesive for hoodies
Post by: mooseman on November 06, 2012, 06:01:35 AM
Shanarchy,

we do a fair amount of hoodies and also hate renewing the tac on the pallet. After ruining several hoodies over several jobs (because the fabric moved) we have come to the ultimate conclusion that you have to clean after almost every load or order more hoodies.
Especially on large prints IF IT DON'T STICK IT WILL MAKE YOU SICK and cost you $$$$$ and time.
Here is what we use torenew the pallet adhesive BTW we wus the same stuff.
If you find a way around this let us all know
mooseman

DSCF7847 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R1mMFmDvOPw#)
Title: Re: pallet adhesive for hoodies
Post by: tonypep on November 06, 2012, 07:21:31 AM
I have found the bristle brush reactivation to be the most effective but the pitfall to the WB tack is definitely fleece. Duane at JSR probably still uses the two sided adhesive pallet tape but I found to be expensive and can't remember how well it worked on sweats.
Title: Re: pallet adhesive for hoodies
Post by: Zelko-4-EVA on November 06, 2012, 07:34:31 AM
I have found the bristle brush reactivation to be the most effective but the pitfall to the WB tack is definitely fleece. Duane at JSR probably still uses the two sided adhesive pallet tape but I found to be expensive and can't remember how well it worked on sweats.

we still use the two sided adhesive pallet tape for shirts, and yes it is expensive.

for sweats (and 99.9999999% are black) we use camie 375 flash tack. the web spray didnt work well under the flash.

we did 3000 black hooded sweatshirts the other week. the gauntlets were covered. 

if anyone has a better solution, im listening. 
Title: Re: pallet adhesive for hoodies
Post by: Nation03 on November 06, 2012, 07:38:32 AM
I haven't had any major issues with flashing with web tack. If you can spare the heads, maybe set up a pre-flash on head 1 to make sure the tack will hold, plus remove any shrinkage in the hood before printing and flashing again.
Title: Re: pallet adhesive for hoodies
Post by: broadway on November 06, 2012, 08:33:46 AM
Spray tacky is a necessary evil for sweats. I mostly use Tekbond. I also use sanding sponge to clean the platens and reactivate the adhesive.
Title: Re: pallet adhesive for hoodies
Post by: Frog on November 06, 2012, 08:34:06 AM
One tip I will share for the times we must use spray for reducing overspray mess, is a simple cardboard mask.
Title: Re: pallet adhesive for hoodies
Post by: Itsa Little CrOoked on December 07, 2012, 01:32:38 PM
Thanks Frog!  That is a great tip. 

I printed a bunch of mixed shirts today, Tees, Polo's Long Sleeved Tees, Crew Neck Sweats and Hoodies. Left Chest and Full Back and I HATE those types of jobs, all different sizes and colors. What a mess....  The web spray and the cardboard mask for overspray is perfect for this type of job.

99% of the time I use the CCI liquid and even for some hoodies.  And as long as I keep it warm with a little flash, and keep de-fuzzing, I get by.  But for a BIG run of hoodies, the web spray is the solution, wicked though it may be.

And Moose, thanks for the video. Ima gonna try that. I use a Scotch Brite Pad and water, but I try out your method.

Stan
Title: Re: pallet adhesive for hoodies
Post by: BorisB on December 10, 2012, 11:08:58 AM
Shanarchy,

we do a fair amount of hoodies and also hate renewing the tac on the pallet. After ruining several hoodies over several jobs (because the fabric moved) we have come to the ultimate conclusion that you have to clean after almost every load or order more hoodies.
Especially on large prints IF IT DON'T STICK IT WILL MAKE YOU SICK and cost you $$$$$ and time.
Here is what we use torenew the pallet adhesive BTW we wus the same stuff.
If you find a way around this let us all know
mooseman

DSCF7847 ([url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R1mMFmDvOPw#[/url])


Can somebody "translate" Mean Green to European?  What kind of product is this?  What is it originaly used for?

Boris

Title: Re: pallet adhesive for hoodies
Post by: Frog on December 10, 2012, 11:19:19 AM


Can somebody "translate" Mean Green to European?  What kind of product is this?  What is it originaly used for?

Boris


I'm sure that you have similar products over there. This one seems to be pushed a lot in the smaller containers at our discount Dollar Type stores. (btw, never used it myself, but sometimes mix Windex 50/50 with water for reactivating and lint removal)

http://meangreencleaner.net/Home.html (http://meangreencleaner.net/Home.html)
Title: Re: pallet adhesive for hoodies
Post by: Rockers on December 10, 2012, 12:18:52 PM
Shanarchy,

we do a fair amount of hoodies and also hate renewing the tac on the pallet. After ruining several hoodies over several jobs (because the fabric moved) we have come to the ultimate conclusion that you have to clean after almost every load or order more hoodies.
Especially on large prints IF IT DON'T STICK IT WILL MAKE YOU SICK and cost you $$$$$ and time.
Here is what we use torenew the pallet adhesive BTW we wus the same stuff.
If you find a way around this let us all know
mooseman

DSCF7847 ([url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R1mMFmDvOPw#[/url])


Can somebody "translate" Mean Green to European?  What kind of product is this?  What is it originaly used for?

Boris

We use Simple Green which  works nicely for us. They have distributers all over Europe.

http://www.simplegreen.com/about_us_global_partners.php (http://www.simplegreen.com/about_us_global_partners.php)
Title: Re: pallet adhesive for hoodies
Post by: ScreenPrinter123 on December 10, 2012, 11:30:25 PM
What is everyone using for pallet adhesive? I generally use Tekbond TV HVwaterbase pallet adhesive, but find I have to reactivate it after almost every hoodie. I hate using spray adhesive, but will sometimes grab a can of the old evil stuff. So what do you use?
I remember Chromaline having a pallet adhesive for fleece tops. TexTac II. 5Gallons for $160.
https://www.chromaline.com/product/textac-ii/ (https://www.chromaline.com/product/textac-ii/)

Did anyone respond specifically to this product that Rockers posted?  It seems Chromaline made it specifically to combat the problems the regular textac doesn't address.  Has anyone used it?  Success?  Failure? Somewhere in between the web-spray and the regular water base glue as far as effectiveness on fleece?
Title: Re: pallet adhesive for hoodies
Post by: Rockers on December 10, 2012, 11:32:32 PM
What is everyone using for pallet adhesive? I generally use Tekbond TV HVwaterbase pallet adhesive, but find I have to reactivate it after almost every hoodie. I hate using spray adhesive, but will sometimes grab a can of the old evil stuff. So what do you use?
I remember Chromaline having a pallet adhesive for fleece tops. TexTac II. 5Gallons for $160.
https://www.chromaline.com/product/textac-ii/ (https://www.chromaline.com/product/textac-ii/)

Did anyone respond specifically to this product that Rockers posted?  It seems Chromaline made it specifically to combat the problems the regular textac doesn't address.  Has anyone used it?  Success?  Failure? Somewhere in between the web-spray and the regular water base glue as far as effectiveness on fleece?
I felt already being ignored here. Thanks for bringing this up again;)
Title: Re: pallet adhesive for hoodies
Post by: Frog on December 10, 2012, 11:44:24 PM
It appears that no one here has tried that particular stickum.

Over the years, this topic has come up more than once. I remember when I asked for a suggestion a few years back, Tekmar TB-HV was suggested. I use it, but only on short runs, wiping after three or so uses. Certainly not a complete solution in my mind. It's cleaner, but not as quick as the funky spray each time.

Perhaps, the Chromaline is the true Holy Grail. Someone get a jug and report back!
Title: Re: pallet adhesive for hoodies
Post by: mk162 on December 10, 2012, 11:53:57 PM
super glue, it seems extreme, but the fleece doesn't shift at all.  Of course there is no getting it off the platen either.
Title: Re: pallet adhesive for hoodies
Post by: Rockers on December 10, 2012, 11:56:32 PM
It appears that no one here has tried that particular stickum.

Over the years, this topic has come up more than once. I remember when I asked for a suggestion a few years back, Tekmar TB-HV was suggested. I use it, but only on short runs, wiping after three or so uses. Certainly not a complete solution in my mind. It's cleaner, but not as quick as the funky spray each time.

Perhaps, the Chromaline is the true Holy Grail. Someone get a jug and report back!
The only setback is that it comes  in 5 gallons minimum.
Title: Re: pallet adhesive for hoodies
Post by: shellyky on December 11, 2012, 08:34:58 AM
i use regular TEXTAC (not the II) and thin it about 30-50% with water...like everyone else, i can usually only go 1-2 hoodies without reactivcation (i use squirt water bottle and a scrubber sponge)...the first time i used it, did full strength on our manual vastex press, first shirt took the pallet rubber with it...LOL
Title: Re: pallet adhesive for hoodies
Post by: Shawn (EIP) on December 11, 2012, 10:10:02 AM
I spread the tack on thick, flash and then another coat. Seems to last longer for hoodies least 6 before reactivating. On the auto the pressure seems to keep them tacked longer.