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General => General Discussion and ??? => Topic started by: Catnhat on December 19, 2012, 12:50:16 AM
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There's a billboard that sits right across the street from the front door to the shop, so about once a month we get to watch them change it.
This morning we watched them put up this (taken with phone through the front window cuz it's cold outside):
(http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h299/catnhat_1/IMG_1265_zps5e48c14d.jpg)
Now this is NOT about poor timing, or gun control or being insensitive to tragic events, or just plain stupidity or anything like that.......(this had to be in the pipeline for several weeks, if not months to get on this particular billboard)
It's about how many people had to see it and PROOF it, BEFORE it went up.
This is Moses Lake. NOT Mosses Lake.
3 hours later it looked like this:
(http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h299/catnhat_1/IMG_1266_zps25923a6f.jpg)
Jordan Reffett (used to play for the Steelers) It's his new business, and is he PISSED!
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Gee you wonder why he would not be outRAGEd instead of pissed
or don't you usually put the blindfold on the person who is standing in front of the firing squad?
or I hope he has a permit for a concealed weapon
or a shot in the dark
Ok I will stop now this is just too rich and it is still early here.
mooseman
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I've been in the printing industry for 30 years and it's never failed to blow my mind how a blatant error could make it through all phases of production and into print.
Part of it (I'm sorry to say) is that a lot of employees don't believe it is their responsibility to notice errors. The customer has approved the proof and that's good enough for them. Too bad, because a reprint can cost thousands of dollars, and telling the customer it's his own fault certainly doesn't make him any happier. It's extremely awkward to explain to someone that, yes we made an error but you didn't catch it, so too bad.
Not only that...But who the hell thought it was a good idea to put up an ad displaying a semi automatic pistol just days after Fridays tragedy? I'm sure that was part of the reason they took it down.
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Um why is it all of a sudden bad to talk about, sell, show pictures of or own guns? For real the gun is a tool a guy on the same day uses a knife to slash 22 people but guns are the issues? Not crazy people? No offense but what the hell is Wrong with everyone the gun did not load itself aim itself and shoot itself! Get real if the parents or people are too upset to see guns go see a shrink. This is the most retarded way of thinking I have ever seen. Oh no he had a screen printed shirt on and he used it to choke a kid we should all out of respect not screen print for a year. WHAT IS THE MATTER WITH YOU ALL
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I'm not against guns ...I was just pointing out that this billboard is going to remind everyone of what just happened and emotionally turn them off. It's not offensive, and doesn't have anything to do with the tragedy but it was a bad advertising decision to put it up so soon after.
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That's fine, our wedding photographer put out a Christmas card with a "Skyfall" theme, but instead said Snowfall. It's a cute card, his son is dressed like dr no...complete with the cat. But he is holding an assault rifle. Bad timing, but seriously, I wouldn't send a Christmas card out with a gun on it, unless I sold guns. Also, Bond carries a Walther PPK, everybody knows this.
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Yeah, for advertising and PR it's best to avoid all controversial stuff. You never know how many potential customers might not care for it.
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Um why is it all of a sudden bad to talk about, sell, show pictures of or own guns?
Because someone walked into an elementary school and killed a lot of kids a few days ago.
They used a gun. Most folks would agree it's probably a touchy subject at this point.
WHAT IS THE MATTER WITH YOU ALL
Common decency and respect.
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Well, locally, yesterday a parent walked into a school and beat the crap out of a coach.
Should we now all have to wear gloves on our hands because it's just "too soon"?
Also, half the people that I have told about this event have said "Coach probably deserved/needed to have his a$$ kicked."
Granted, I understand how a "beat down" and a killing is different but isn't it basically in the end the same root issue, a dude went nuts and acted out his aggression in a manner that is unacceptable.
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Its very easy to say what you think or will do when this has never happen to you...like I said before if it was your child or loved one your thinking process might be different.
Darryl
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Bad timing! Kind of reminds me of these:
http://www.buzzfeed.com/mjs538/101-really-unfortunate-internet-ad-placements (http://www.buzzfeed.com/mjs538/101-really-unfortunate-internet-ad-placements)
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>Should we now all have to wear gloves on our hands because it's just "too soon"?>
Well, we don't "have to" do anything...But from a business standpoint (advertising) it's a good idea to take into account the feelings and beliefs of the prospects you are marketing to. You want them to think about your product or service in a positive way.
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rip has a good point, also, with the name RAGE, it certainly doesn't invoke an image of self defense.
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Maybe I misunderstood but wasn't the guy upset that they covered up his billboard? I could have it wrong but my impression was someone ELSE covered up the add (maybe the billboard company) without the advertiser's permission.
Now, does that content in particular get a little gray? Not my call. I wouldn't advertise like that, but then again, I don't sell guns. How do you advertise guns/shooting ranges without images of guns?
Then on the other hand, you got some groups that put bull's eyes on maps and then don't think there is any potential for nuts to misread that message.
Basically the comparison I'm making is that sane adults feel like that billboard is in bad taste, but similar "sane" adults don't see how an insane person might be mislead by their imagery.
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Bad timing! Kind of reminds me of these:
[url]http://www.buzzfeed.com/mjs538/101-really-unfortunate-internet-ad-placements[/url] ([url]http://www.buzzfeed.com/mjs538/101-really-unfortunate-internet-ad-placements[/url])
Good ol' cookies and google ad words... but some of those were just truly bad coincidences.
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How do you advertise guns/shooting ranges without images of guns?
Its not about advertising guns for sale, in this case its about using the word RAGE and a gun. Not sure what planet some people seem to be from but around here Rage and guns when together make you think about Road rage, work place rage, school rage on and on. If people are not adult enough to recognize that then they really are out of touch.
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I think "JOIN THE RAGE" is a bit over the top.. There is nothing positive communicated in that messaging (unless they're talking about a fete). Before the school incident it would have been interpreted as politically motivated.. Rage against what? ducks or humans or zombies? Now after the school incident, it just seems distasteful and politically motivated. Not the gun billboard that says stop intruders and protect yourself, the message that contains a gun calling you to act erratic..
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And don't forget Rage Against The Machine.
Better pull all those albums off the shelves too.
It's context Mike. Lots of things you like are probably deemed offensive or in bad taste by some other group. Thankfully our country isn't founded on taste but freedom.
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And don't forget Rage Against The Machine.
Better pull all those albums off the shelves too.
It's context Mike. Lots of things you like are probably deemed offensive or in bad taste by some other group. Thankfully our country isn't founded on taste but freedom.
Call it context I call it common decency.
Personally i enjoy rage against the machine but I dont use their music and blast it out for the public to hear, I have common decency. And using Rage against the machine is not the argument here, we are talking about the word RAGE imposed with a gun. Two different things.
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A fashion style can be considered "All the rage" as well.
When it says "Join the rage" I immediately think of this definition.
"4. A current, eagerly adopted fashion; a fad or craze"
I truly do think that is this advertisers intention.
Whether it is distasteful is up for debate but as was pointed out... this spot is a highly coveted spot and unlikely anything was done last minute and this was probably months in planning. So this guy finally got the space he wanted and he's be bad guy because some wacko went and shot up a school at the same time. 3 months ago when he possibly came up with this billboard concept it would have been perfectly acceptable.
Aren't we letting the "terrorist" "win" when we modify our behavior due to their actions?
Now, I'm not totally insensitive. If someone would have placed this billboard across the street from the school then I would totally agree. Or in the case of your friends the West Borough nuts... I think at the funeral is definitely in bad taste... though obviously they have the american right to do what they do, but I personally wish they would all just get some crazy disease and die. ;)
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A fashion style can be considered "All the rage" as well.
When it says "Join the rage" I immediately think of this definition.
"4. A current, eagerly adopted fashion; a fad or craze"
I truly do think that is this advertisers intention.
Whether it is distasteful is up for debate but as was pointed out... this spot is a highly coveted spot and unlikely anything was done last minute and this was probably months in planning. So this guy finally got the space he wanted and he's be bad guy because some wacko went and shot up a school at the same time. 3 months ago when he possibly came up with this billboard concept it would have been perfectly acceptable.
Aren't we letting the "terrorist" "win" when we modify our behavior due to their actions?
Now, I'm not totally insensitive. If someone would have placed this billboard across the street from the school then I would totally agree. Or in the case of your friends the West Borough nuts... I think at the funeral is definitely in bad taste... though obviously they have the american right to do what they do, but I personally wish they would all just get some crazy disease and die. ;)
You just proved my point, people associate certain things with certain meanings. A GUN and the phrase RAGE makes people think gun rage. As in using a gun to rage on your colleagues at work, or a school.
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Right... but I never did.
When I see "Join the rage" even with the gun behind it, I still think fashion or fad as in the definition I quoted.
Are you suggesting that if these recent shootings would NOT have happened you would have still associated that word with the same thing? The whole premise being discussed here is "too soon", so context is a time thing here not an image thing.
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How do you advertise guns/shooting ranges without images of guns?
Its not about advertising guns for sale, in this case its about using the word RAGE and a gun. Not sure what planet some people seem to be from but around here Rage and guns when together make you think about Road rage, work place rage, school rage on and on. If people are not adult enough to recognize that then they really are out of touch.
You nailed it!
If you stand under this sign, (and there wasn't a small machine shop in the way), you could literally throw a rock through the classroom window that Barry Loukaitis took hostage and shot up in 1996. Killing a teacher, 2 students and seriously mangling the arm of another.
As much as we would like to believe "Time heals all wounds" and all the other things people say, do, or believe or whatever.....it seems like every time we turn around, something similar happens again. Which re-opens the wounds.
It's been 16 years, and the only thing that's really changed is the body count.
Even if the events in Newtown hadn't happened. That sign was never going to stay up in this community.
Jordan is pissed because 1. He approved it and saw what he wanted to see on the proof. NOT what was correct. And nobody throughout the process questioned it. Why would they? He's the customer, he approved it.
2. He completely underestimated this community and missed the demographic. He assumed that people forgot what happened here. Because it's never talked about on the news or anything every time a new event happens. They always seem to go back to Columbine and not the ones before it.
We like it that way. The community & city council has gone to great lengths through the years to keep it that way. And a major driving force is Jon Lane. The PE teacher that saved that class and wrestled the gun away from Barry. Jon was Mayor for years and still serves on city council.
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Maybe he should have done it like this with periods in RAGE : R.A.G.E. Reffet's Awesome Gun Experience
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interesting from the Barry Loukaitis wiki page:
"As his classmates began to panic, Loukaitis reportedly said, "This sure beats the hell out of algebra, doesn't it?", which was said to be a quote from the Stephen King novel Rage, although this was later proven to be untrue"
Even though it was proven untrue, a link to a novel called Rage, and a billboard with a gun on it that says RAGE, within sight of the school is questionable.
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Right... but I never did.
When I see "Join the rage" even with the gun behind it, I still think fashion or fad as in the definition I quoted.
Are you suggesting that if these recent shootings would NOT have happened you would have still associated that word with the same thing? The whole premise being discussed here is "too soon", so context is a time thing here not an image thing.
When I see "Join the rage" pertaining to something other than a gun I think of fads, but when with a gun the darker meaning trumps the actual meaning being conveyed. Kevin its not an argument its explaining people cannot change how their mind perceives things, when I first saw this post and the pic my mind immediately seen the worse.
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Just sold a $700.00 AR for $2800.00 this is a crazy country people are going insane
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Just sold a $700.00 AR for $2800.00 this is a crazy country people are going insane
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Is there any good dealers of used guns that you know of? I have been looking at new guns at Buds and Impact but it seems 80% of the California compliant guns are out of stock. Really frustrating.
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Gunbroker seems like a decent site but I have no personal experience with it.
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Gunbroker I have used them also pawn shops
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