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screen printing => Tips and Tricks to Share (Please don't ask questions here) => Topic started by: Frog on April 06, 2011, 11:29:38 PM
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and get a bonus chance to inspect the opposite side than the one you are about to print.
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Since you mentioned this, then I'm think thinking that you've ran across situations were the backs have had flaws? Is this semi common?
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Since you mentioned this, then I'm think thinking that you've ran across situations were the backs have had flaws? Is this semi common?
Are you kidding? Backs, fronts, sides, sleeves, bottoms, collars.
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aaaaaahhhh, Gildans . . . .
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Ah Grasshopper. You will learn that to all shirt brands, there is a season.
Seriously, over the years, just about every major brand I've seen has at some point competed hard for worst shirt honors.
It's a rotating trophy.
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I have much to learn sensei!
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Not so much from me, man you've come far in two years!
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That's not a tip or a trick Frog. Shoulda' posted that under "this is how you do it right".
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I can load waaaayyyyyy faster when they're stacked upside down. Plus the flip helps
dislodge some of the lintballs.
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That's not a tip or a trick Frog. Shoulda' posted that under "this is how you do it right".
You'd be surprised at how many learn it the other way, and then have trouble changing.
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Says the guy who only recently started pushing his squeegee!
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Says the guy who only recently started pushing his squeegee!
True that, but "recently" is relative, just because I was pulling already when you were swimming upstream to meet up with your momma's egg!
It must be two years or so since I converted, and I still pull on pkt. prints and other jobs utilizing one handed squeegees.
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How about the feeling you get when you flip the shirt over and you see a little (arrow) sticker pointing directly to a hole in the shirt. But somehow it still made it past QC. Someone seen it to begin with...why it wasn't taken out at that point baffles my mind.
Jon
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Every arrow I have ever found has never been pointing at a defect. Just randomly pointing.
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Every arrow I have ever found has never been pointing at a defect. Just randomly pointing.
See that is extremely fine QC. The arrows are pointing at microscopic errors in the knit. You actually let those by? I hope your customers don't have loupes...
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I used to load with the print side up, then one day I saw a guy loading super fast with the print side down so I tried it for a few weeks and I'll never go back. It's so much easier for me, and faster. Getting a chance to inspect the other side of the shirt is a bonus. My help likes to load the opposite way I do and it's a pain when we are both taking turns loading and operating the press. I can load about 3 shirts more per minute than him, and he's been printing 10 years longer than me. I can't even get him to try to load the way I do, I'm thinking of making it a rule to load that way. I'm sure he'll love that.
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I did not print as many shirt as you guys, but I noticed I was doing this from the beginning. For some reason, I had shirts print side down and newer realized I was doing that until I have read this thread.
I guess I'm doing one thing right :)
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I have a hard time loading shirts when they're stacked upside down. I'm just not used to that. I can load shirts right side up pretty fast though!
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Well then, young Erickster, you lose out on this bonus look-see, and I suggest that you inspect all of your shirts before running. ;D
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Well then, young Erickster, you lose out on this bonus look-see, and I suggest that you inspect all of your shirts before running. ;D
aaaaahh, benefits of being a contract printer. I can print over the holes and still charge them!
pierre
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I load right side up. I don't see how it can go any faster, but a video may open my eyes.
As for inspecting the shirts, in my shop that is for the guy at the end of the dryer..not the operator. But we are 80% contract, so holes and oil spots don't really matter to me..they're getting printed either way.
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I load right side up. I don't see how it can go any faster, but a video may open my eyes.
As for inspecting the shirts, in my shop that is for the guy at the end of the dryer..not the operator. But we are 80% contract, so holes and oil spots don't really matter to me..they're getting printed either way.
Well, in my operation most defects that sneak through this bonus first line of defense are caught as each shirt is individually folded manually, something else that many do not do.
Thing is, except for the contract printers dealing with someone else's shirts, why replace and re-print and a holey shirt when you don't need to? Especially when many distributors won't take them back when printed?
This is just one of those little tricks that helps some people, and like learning to push rather than pull when manually printing, can take a little time and effort to unlearn the old and use the new.
My newest tip will probably get just as mixed acceptance!
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We printed this run of shirts last week (4000) and I was loading right side up at 78 dozen per hour. I don't know how I could do that with the shirts upside down. I guess I'd rather have the speed right now, and have to replace a couple "dirty" shirts found by our catcher at the end of the run. I guess it depends on the job. I feel like I don't have A LOT of issues with holes and stains though. But then again - maybe I'm not seeing them! :o
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I am willing to bet that with 4000, there were at least 20 (if not 40-50) that were defective, unless you have discovered a new brand!
Then again some jobs fall into the over under category and you can deliver a little light or heavy.
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with my printing skills, there were probably 500 defective. ::)
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I'm not questioning your skills, I just rarely get a case of shirts without at least 1 or 2 shirts with marks or holes. Often more.
You had 55 cases.
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Just a note: the world record was done by loading with the shirts stacked print side down. The guy had a ton of help but I don't think he could have pulled it off loading print side up.
I adapted to this method within my first year of printing. I think once you get used to it, it is a much faster and physically more forging method.
I went to work at a new shop and the un-loader on the press freaked out at me when I stacked them that way. "Shut up and get ready, you won't be able to even scratch your nose once I start the press." was my reply.
He shut up pretty quick aside from the occasional "Agh!!" when he couldn't yank a shirt fast enough.
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Just a note: the world record was done by loading with the shirts stacked print side down. The guy had a ton of help but I don't think he could have pulled it off loading print side up.
I adapted to this method within my first year of printing. I think once you get used to it, it is a much faster and physically more forging method.
I went to work at a new shop and the un-loader on the press freaked out at me when I stacked them that way. "Shut up and get ready, you won't be able to even scratch your nose once I start the press." was my reply.
He shut up pretty quick aside from the occasional "Agh!!" when he couldn't yank a shirt fast enough.
I dunno. I was there for that. And if placement and straightness didn't matter and I had a fluffier, I'm pretty sure I could load at 2k per hour like the NBSF guy with the print side up.
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I don't believe that speed is affected by either method once one gets used to it and into the rhythm. My point was merely the bonus inspection value which is lost when going for world record anyway.
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I can load waaaayyyyyy faster when they're stacked upside down. Plus the flip helps
dislodge some of the lintballs.
Ya, but then you unknowingly go to lunch looking like a walking lint trap.
:P
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I came across a shirt with the pocket sewn in the middle.
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You Ann, have inspired me to only half jokingly suggest a new Gallery of Funky Shirts.
Post pics of the worst of the worst, that somehow still made it through quality control.
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You Ann, have inspired me to only half jokingly suggest a new Gallery of Funky Shirts.
Post pics of the worst of the worst, that somehow still made it through quality control.
Back of a 3/4 sleeve raglan jersey just the other day. 5" of un-sewn sleeve seam with a gaping hole. Would have never seen it with the shirts stacked print side up.
I guess it's for a ball player with three arms?
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We print, most of the time, a pc61, port and company, (hanes) t.
Never have a problem with holes, grease etc. Proable 1 or 2 a year, that we see, and customers have not complained so I don't think they are there.
I have a really hard time understanding flipping a shirt. I'll try it, but as far as it giving you a chance to inspect it, how long does it take you to load a shirt? I know the records that are out there, but I'm happy if we print 25 to 35 dozen/hour steady all day long. That gives you seconds to "inspect" a shirt and try and see a little hole. Not enough time. My idea, buy a better shirt, print it quicker, collect the money, repeat.
Terry
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We print, most of the time, a pc61, port and company, (hanes) t.
Never have a problem with holes, grease etc. Proable 1 or 2 a year, that we see, and customers have not complained so I don't think they are there.
I think that the overwhelming success of places like Walmart, and the proliferation of Chinese crap speaks volumes as to the mediocratization of our buying public. As a nation, we are not discriminating consumers.
$100 bucks says that I can find at least one defective shirt in two of your unchecked cases, and that would actually be great numbers!
Send 'em, out, and I'll trust you that you didn't check them any more than usual. lol!
btw, Port PC61 makes up a big chunk of my stock as well.
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When I was printing and desiging I traveled the malls and shirt shops all over the south and midwest buying shirts I liked, thought were main stream and something I could learn from and not directly knock off.. My wife couldn't wait for me to unpack so she could point out that I bought shirts with holes in them, seams not sewn closed, bad dyes, collars coming loose... on and on and on.. so let me tell you that you can let one go buy in the resort business and not get it back.. The plumber down the street however who is going to destroy the shirt the first time he puts it on is a whole nother issue
dlac