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Title: Whats the next big thing??
Post by: skent on December 30, 2012, 05:43:44 PM
Hello world, im wondering what you guys think will be the next big thing in screen printing. Also what will be big in the year 2013??
Title: Re: Whats the next big thing??
Post by: Frog on December 30, 2012, 05:48:51 PM
I'm shooting for this (http://www.theshirtboard.com/index.php?action=forum)  8)
Title: Re: Whats the next big thing??
Post by: mooseman on December 30, 2012, 07:15:26 PM
I pretty much agree with Frog.
 As far as what else will be big in 2013 for screen printing who the hell knows.
We get loaded down with new products, new ideas and methods of doing the same old thing, I give you direct to screen hype as an example.
My best prediction for the big screen printing trend in 2013 is mirrored in the past...OK I will explain.
Pet Rock
Hoola Hoop
Rubic's Cube
Cabbage Patch babies
Pogo Stick
Flubber
Silly Putty
The Super Ball
Tamagotchi
My personal favorite ........Ugg boots
Popeil Pocket Fisherman...well maybe not this but hopefully by now you get my point

For you younger bucks out there the above were just some of the biggest success stories ever marketed that no one saw coming!
When they hit the market folks just had to have them and they made the individuals behind them very rich.
The next big thing will be defined by the cosmic intersection of two or three circular concepts all meeting at the same place at exactly the right time that no one saw coming. If none of that makes any sense then you pretty much get the concept of The Next Big Thing ;)

mooseman
Title: Re: Whats the next big thing??
Post by: patfinn on December 30, 2012, 07:46:37 PM
Hello world, im wondering what you guys think will be the next big thing in screen printing. Also what will be big in the year 2013??

i think cts is going to get much bigger and in more and more shops this year. its the FUTURE.....
Title: Re: Whats the next big thing??
Post by: 244 on December 30, 2012, 08:00:11 PM
Could not agree more. Prepress is what will count in 2013.
Title: Re: Whats the next big thing??
Post by: mooseman on December 30, 2012, 08:06:17 PM
Hello world, im wondering what you guys think will be the next big thing in screen printing. Also what will be big in the year 2013??

i think cts is going to get much bigger and in more and more shops this year. its the FUTURE.....

I would bet against that as long as the industry continues to make and sell manual presses.
DTS or CTS is the DTG du jour.
It wasn't too long ago we were all worried thet DTG was going to revolutionize the market and put many of us out of business.
DTS or CTS will benefit the upper end of the volume market but you will have to be at the top of the food chain to really benefit from the product.
time will tell but my money says 2 antlers down to this being the great white hope. 

mooseman
Title: Re: Whats the next big thing??
Post by: ole jobe on December 30, 2012, 08:39:29 PM
Sometime, somewhere someone is going to build a scoop coater that doesn't leave the heavy ridge of emulsion at the ends.
Title: Re: Whats the next big thing??
Post by: patfinn on December 30, 2012, 09:34:16 PM
Hello world, im wondering what you guys think will be the next big thing in screen printing. Also what will be big in the year 2013??

i think cts is going to get much bigger and in more and more shops this year. its the FUTURE.....

I would bet against that as long as the industry continues to make and sell manual presses.
DTS or CTS is the DTG du jour.
It wasn't too long ago we were all worried thet DTG was going to revolutionize the market and put many of us out of business.
DTS or CTS will benefit the upper end of the volume market but you will have to be at the top of the food chain to really benefit from the product.
time will tell but my money says 2 antlers down to this being the great white hope. 

mooseman

I tend to disagree. I think your right as far as the manual printers go, but for the 1 auto shop that is looking to squeeze out every last bit of production out of the press, a cts is a great way to go. eliminating long set up's, which keeps that press moving more.
your investment on a cts is far less $ than adding another auto and prob will get you the most out of your 1 press, and may hold you tight for a while until you buy a second auto.

so if your on the brink of adding another auto to keep up with work, think about adding a cts instead of another auto. in my opinion you can save money and get more production out of your 1 press.

I know three 1 auto shops that just added one to their shop they love it, i think one of their employees said he wouldnt ever work in a place that didnt have one there!

i would love to see a scoop coater that doesnt leave a ton of emulsion at the ends.. 
Title: Re: Whats the next big thing??
Post by: Command-Z on December 30, 2012, 09:38:39 PM
I hear distress textures are going to be big next year. Big, all-over prints with scrolls, fillagrees and skulls with fleur de lises and dagger shapes are going to be hot as well.

Also look for this great new font called "Bleeding Cowboys." Should be BIG.


Title: Re: Whats the next big thing??
Post by: 244 on December 30, 2012, 10:02:22 PM
Hello world, im wondering what you guys think will be the next big thing in screen printing. Also what will be big in the year 2013??

i think cts is going to get much bigger and in more and more shops this year. its the FUTURE.....

I would bet against that as long as the industry continues to make and sell manual presses.
DTS or CTS is the DTG du jour.
It wasn't too long ago we were all worried thet DTG was going to revolutionize the market and put many of us out of business.
DTS or CTS will benefit the upper end of the volume market but you will have to be at the top of the food chain to really benefit from the product.
time will tell but my money says 2 antlers down to this being the great white hope. 

mooseman

I tend to disagree. I think your right as far as the manual printers go, but for the 1 auto shop that is looking to squeeze out every last bit of production out of the press, a cts is a great way to go. eliminating long set up's, which keeps that press moving more.
your investment on a cts is far less $ than adding another auto and prob will get you the most out of your 1 press, and may hold you tight for a while until you buy a second auto.

so if your on the brink of adding another auto to keep up with work, think about adding a cts instead of another auto. in my opinion you can save money and get more production out of your 1 press.

I know three 1 auto shops that just added one to their shop they love it, i think one of their employees said he wouldnt ever work in a place that didnt have one there!

i would love to see a scoop coater that doesnt leave a ton of emulsion at the ends..
already done. It's called the uni-cote.
Title: Re: Whats the next big thing??
Post by: screenxpress on December 30, 2012, 10:40:20 PM
Sometime, somewhere someone is going to build a scoop coater that doesn't leave the heavy ridge of emulsion at the ends.

The only time I got emulsion leaving a heavy trail on the sides was when I didn't hold the scoop coater against the screen.
Title: Re: Whats the next big thing??
Post by: Prosperi-Tees on December 30, 2012, 11:11:57 PM
I would like the next big thing to be 1 color prints on whites lol
Title: Re: Whats the next big thing??
Post by: mooseman on December 31, 2012, 05:18:30 AM
i do not disagree with the auto guys but CTS is an innovation not a trend. Many will be sold and the equipment will be BIG for those bigger shops that buy one but as far as a trend I still disagree. It will be a one and done piece of equipment not unlike a tension meter. You only need one typically unless you are supersized maybe then you buy a couple ......I going with  Prosperi-Tees and the one color on white tee shirts. If that doesn't work I would go for fashion color or overall oil stains.
mooseman
Title: Re: Whats the next big thing??
Post by: Gilligan on December 31, 2012, 11:22:27 AM
already done. It's called the uni-cote.

Must be the best kept secret on the internet... google doesn't find it.
Title: Re: Whats the next big thing??
Post by: Frog on December 31, 2012, 11:34:25 AM
What a difference a "k" makes  ;D Of course, whether this is the option that you go with is another question. This is not just another scoop coater.

http://www.mrprint.com/uploaded/pdf/Uni-Kote_EN_LTR.pdf (http://www.mrprint.com/uploaded/pdf/Uni-Kote_EN_LTR.pdf)
Title: Re: Whats the next big thing??
Post by: Admiral on December 31, 2012, 02:42:34 PM
Sometime, somewhere someone is going to build a scoop coater that doesn't leave the heavy ridge of emulsion at the ends.

awt pro angle 2 scoop coater

Only thing I don't like about it is picking it up is a bit more difficult.
Title: Re: Whats the next big thing??
Post by: RICK STEFANICK on December 31, 2012, 03:47:26 PM
Sometime, somewhere someone is going to build a scoop coater that doesn't leave the heavy ridge of emulsion at the ends.

awt pro angle 2 scoop coater

Only thing I don't like about it is picking it up is a bit more difficult.
do you have a link to that coater?
Title: Re: Whats the next big thing??
Post by: Gilligan on December 31, 2012, 03:52:44 PM
Sometime, somewhere someone is going to build a scoop coater that doesn't leave the heavy ridge of emulsion at the ends.

awt pro angle 2 scoop coater

Only thing I don't like about it is picking it up is a bit more difficult.

I'm going to haver to round that "feature" a bit because it caused a rip in the mesh on some 150-S the other day and now my guy refuses to coat with it as we've lost too many screens recently and to lose one due to the way the coater is designed doesn't sit well with him.

I still think it's a nice way to go, but I think it puts too much pressure at an acute point.. not a good combination.
Title: Re: Whats the next big thing??
Post by: tonypep on December 31, 2012, 03:59:40 PM
Or you could go nuts with a Digikote. Those things are cool to watch but ROI questionable for many
Title: Whats the next big thing??
Post by: inkbrigade on December 31, 2012, 04:33:41 PM
Boom the uni-kote looks awesome! What is the list price on it? Is this new? How come I always have to dig for new stuff on the M&R site? Should be on the front page!
Title: Re: Whats the next big thing??
Post by: Admiral on December 31, 2012, 05:07:08 PM
Sometime, somewhere someone is going to build a scoop coater that doesn't leave the heavy ridge of emulsion at the ends.


awt pro angle 2 scoop coater

Only thing I don't like about it is picking it up is a bit more difficult.


I'm going to haver to round that "feature" a bit because it caused a rip in the mesh on some 150-S the other day and now my guy refuses to coat with it as we've lost too many screens recently and to lose one due to the way the coater is designed doesn't sit well with him.

I still think it's a nice way to go, but I think it puts too much pressure at an acute point.. not a good combination.


I looked at it when it came in and sanded down the edges a bit because they felt sharp.  Used 400/600 grit for a few minutes and I'm pretty sure we haven't busted a screen yet with it.  We use a lot of S mesh.





Sometime, somewhere someone is going to build a scoop coater that doesn't leave the heavy ridge of emulsion at the ends.


awt pro angle 2 scoop coater

Only thing I don't like about it is picking it up is a bit more difficult.

do you have a link to that coater?


http://www.poconoscreen.com/products/shopaccessories.html (http://www.poconoscreen.com/products/shopaccessories.html)

http://techsupportsps.com/store/supplies/scoop-coaters/awt-pro-angle-2-scoop-coater.html (http://techsupportsps.com/store/supplies/scoop-coaters/awt-pro-angle-2-scoop-coater.html)
Title: Re: Whats the next big thing??
Post by: screenxpress on December 31, 2012, 05:19:54 PM
What a difference a "k" makes  ;D Of course, whether this is the option that you go with is another question. This is not just another scoop coater.

[url]http://www.mrprint.com/uploaded/pdf/Uni-Kote_EN_LTR.pdf[/url] ([url]http://www.mrprint.com/uploaded/pdf/Uni-Kote_EN_LTR.pdf[/url])


Does that link work for anyone?  Does not seem to work for me.

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I got a pic of what it is from the MRPRINT site......you're right Andy, not just another scoop coater.
Title: Re: Whats the next big thing??
Post by: DannyGruninger on December 31, 2012, 05:44:49 PM
This should work, I can't remember exactly on the price but I want to say they are around 15k. Might be a little less or more.



http://www.mrprint.com/en/ProductOverview.aspx?id=155 (http://www.mrprint.com/en/ProductOverview.aspx?id=155)







Title: Whats the next big thing??
Post by: inkbrigade on December 31, 2012, 06:00:05 PM
I'd be all over it for 10k
Title: Re: Whats the next big thing??
Post by: Frog on December 31, 2012, 07:06:55 PM
What a difference a "k" makes  ;D Of course, whether this is the option that you go with is another question. This is not just another scoop coater.

[url]http://www.mrprint.com/uploaded/pdf/Uni-Kote_EN_LTR.pdf[/url] ([url]http://www.mrprint.com/uploaded/pdf/Uni-Kote_EN_LTR.pdf[/url])


Does that link work for anyone?  Does not seem to work for me.

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I got a pic of what it is from the MRPRINT site......you're right Andy, not just another scoop coater.


That link works for me, even off your quoted post!
Title: Re: Whats the next big thing??
Post by: bimmridder on December 31, 2012, 08:08:40 PM
Auto coater (2 up) and CTS. Multi task. Just saying.
Title: Re: Whats the next big thing??
Post by: Gilligan on December 31, 2012, 09:16:19 PM
Sometime, somewhere someone is going to build a scoop coater that doesn't leave the heavy ridge of emulsion at the ends.


awt pro angle 2 scoop coater

Only thing I don't like about it is picking it up is a bit more difficult.

do you have a link to that coater?


This is where I got mine... site sponsor and the best price I found... shipping was always a killer for the other guys.

http://techsupportsps.com/store/supplies/scoop-coaters/awt-pro-angle-2-scoop-coater.html (http://techsupportsps.com/store/supplies/scoop-coaters/awt-pro-angle-2-scoop-coater.html)
Title: Re: Whats the next big thing??
Post by: skent on January 03, 2013, 08:09:03 AM
What does DTS & CTS stand for?
Title: Re: Whats the next big thing??
Post by: mooseman on January 03, 2013, 08:22:08 AM
What does DTS & CTS stand for?


 DTS = direct to screen  & CTS = computer to screen  or something like that.
Basically you output the art from the computer directly to the coated screen eliminating the film positive process.
think of it as passing your coated screen through your epson printer :P

2  examples here

http://www.mrprint.com/en/ProductOverview.aspx?id=154&utm_source=theshirtboard&utm_medium=Banner&utm_content=i-ImageST&utm_campaign=i-ImageST (http://www.mrprint.com/en/ProductOverview.aspx?id=154&utm_source=theshirtboard&utm_medium=Banner&utm_content=i-ImageST&utm_campaign=i-ImageST)

 Direct to Screen Printer TShirt Textile Computer to Screen Printing Equipment (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lNYC8LSwBrM#ws)


mooseman
Title: Re: Whats the next big thing??
Post by: bimmridder on January 03, 2013, 08:28:29 AM
But not a particularly good example. Just my opinion.
Title: Re: Whats the next big thing??
Post by: mooseman on January 03, 2013, 08:30:12 AM
But not a particularly good example. Just my opinion.

agreed it was the first google i oogled...added M&R stuff to be fair & balanced ...and good
mooseman
Title: Re: Whats the next big thing??
Post by: tonypep on January 03, 2013, 09:20:33 AM
Auto coater (2 up) and CTS. Multi task. Just saying.

Having had production experience with the Digikote we had found that that was not the case. Can't really walk away from it for any meaningful period of time. Requires a full time operator for the given operation until all screens complete. The little guy is cool though and priced right for those who want that kind of consistent results
Title: Re: Whats the next big thing??
Post by: bimmridder on January 03, 2013, 11:58:10 AM
As I like to start many posts...Here's what works in my shop. I am fortunate enough to have both an automatic coater and a direct to screen. We process enough screens where we can coat screens on the machine and image screens on the CTS at the same time. Both machines are in the same room. By the time we coat and image, we have a nice pile ready to expose and develop. That's what "works in my shop"
Title: Re: Whats the next big thing??
Post by: tonypep on January 03, 2013, 12:22:11 PM
Well that makes total sense. Why do you get to have all the cool toys?
Title: Re: Whats the next big thing??
Post by: bimmridder on January 03, 2013, 12:44:30 PM
We can talk about that in a few weeks!!!
Title: Re: Whats the next big thing??
Post by: tonypep on January 03, 2013, 02:08:31 PM
Yeah that will be an eye opener for both of us I imagine. Some of our presses are 20+ ys old!
Title: Re: Whats the next big thing??
Post by: bimmridder on January 03, 2013, 02:31:26 PM
And still making you money! What brand(s)?
Title: Re: Whats the next big thing??
Post by: tonypep on January 03, 2013, 03:26:00 PM
All M&R. We have a full time Maintenance guy and have a local tech comes in behind us now and then. My latest is an old but very lightly used 6/8 GT it's my favorite. One of my 14s has another year or so before we swap it out