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screen printing => General Screen Printing => Topic started by: shellyky on June 15, 2011, 10:57:09 AM
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can someone link me to where to get the correct donut probe and reader and how to use this thing properly when it comes? Im somewhat confused on how it goes thru the whole length of the dryer without melting
Thanks.
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http://www.aasps.com/aa_new_web_2011_048.htm#probe (http://www.aasps.com/aa_new_web_2011_048.htm#probe)
That is updated version of the one I have.
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Here's another listing from Calibrated, a member here. (http://www.calibratedsps.com/screenprint/screen-printing-supplies/shop-tools/measuring-devices/screen-printers-thermometer-probe-kit.html)
Both of these include a thermometer, but the probe and wires are a standard K fitting that will fit many thermometers. The probe is available by itself also.
As for melting, the probe and it's wire is heat proof. The thermometer is fifteen or more feet away from the probe.
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How do you run a probe through a conveyor dryer? Longer wires?
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The stock unit ships with a fifteen foot wire, with longer wires available.
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I paid $127 for the Atkins donut probe with a 15 ft. long wire and another $120 for a no frills Atkins thermometer.
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I paid $127 for the Atkins donut probe with a 15 ft. long wire and another $120 for a no frills Atkins thermometer.
Mind tellin' us where? I haven't seen the probes along for less than $200.
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I paid $127 for the Atkins donut probe with a 15 ft. long wire and another $120 for a no frills Atkins thermometer.
Do tell please!
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A search on M&R may produce a post of mine with a price similar to that and a source. I can't find it as a bookmark.
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Will this and this work together?
http://www.foodservicedirect.com/product.cfm/p/138074/Cooper-Atkins-Silk-Screen-Print-Donut-Probe.htm (http://www.foodservicedirect.com/product.cfm/p/138074/Cooper-Atkins-Silk-Screen-Print-Donut-Probe.htm)
*says 15" length in their description, i assume thats a typo?
http://www.foodservicedirect.com/product.cfm/p/138040/Cooper-Atkins-EconoTemp-323-Type-K-Thermocouple-6.4-inch.htm (http://www.foodservicedirect.com/product.cfm/p/138040/Cooper-Atkins-EconoTemp-323-Type-K-Thermocouple-6.4-inch.htm)
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shellyky, that looks about identical to what I have. Give me a few minutes and I'll go see if I can dig out the info on where I purchased from.
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thanks, it looks like an instawares.com has them both cheaper with free shipping.
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Here's what I bought:
http://www.instawares.com/screen-print-donut-surface.cak-50008k.0.7.htm (http://www.instawares.com/screen-print-donut-surface.cak-50008k.0.7.htm)
http://www.instawares.com/digital-thermocouple-thermometer-range.cak-32311k.0.7.htm (http://www.instawares.com/digital-thermocouple-thermometer-range.cak-32311k.0.7.htm)
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Oh snaps, that place is good for deli containers (ink cups) too.
Yes, you can cook a pizza in it.
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awesome i'll get these ordered up :)
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Here is a basic how to that we give for the thermoprobe.
How to Thermoprobe: http://www.polyone.com/en-us/about/businessgroups/Inks/Literature/How%20To%20thermoprobe2.pdf (http://www.polyone.com/en-us/about/businessgroups/Inks/Literature/How%20To%20thermoprobe2.pdf)
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fantastic--thank you!
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A shop I worked at long ago had to buy a new thermometer unit after only having it for a week. A new guy took a reading with it (curing some thick white ink, may have been puff or something) and after the donut was half way through just set the whole thing on the belt and let it go through.
15' tunnel on a gas fired dryer. Slow belt, about a 3.5 minute dwell.
The funny thing was the in-feed was 10' long, so there was PLENTY of time to stop it, except everyone was at lunch.
::)
So ya...don't do that.
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Erin,
i love these instruction sheet. Today will printed, laminated and hung near all our dryers.
When i started printing Wilflex's little black book was greatest piece of literature to me. I used it all the time. was really sad that 2004 was the last year you published it. It went way beyond regular sales brochures, but contained plenty of very useful information. Maybe not so important to you in US, but here in Europe is different. We for example never get visits from sales reps. I had less than five visits of ink sales reps in my 15 years in business. And of those was American.
I spent 10 min on Wilflex webpage trying to locate the other How-Tos mentioned in this one. Where are you hiding them?
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I will try to be useful too. In attachment is a form we use for profiling/checking our dryers. Perhaps you find it useful.
On probe we marked each 0,5m with polyester sticker that withstands temp.
On the second page is slovenian version. In case you have slovenian speaking personal ;)
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I have a 1995 version of that black book...it's still useful.
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Brandt & Shelly,
If you ever come by the Sweetwater exit on I-75 (exit 62) stop in. My shop is only 3 miles from the interstate.
I have a dount probe that hooks up to my dryer.........................very cool
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Scobey - I want an invite! My brother lives in Sweetwater and I live in Oliver Springs! :)
Black Book - We love the black book as well and I am sad to say that the last publication is from 2004. However, much updated literature is on our website. Our website is hard to navigate and that is something that we are looking at and trying to address. Visit Technical Literature to view much of the available literature. The Thermoprobe How to happens to be in Product Brochures.
Erin
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got my probe and reader!
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Bumping this thread because I found it on a google search for "atkins probe" or something and just bought the setup from Instawares. Saved about $200-250 getting it from a restaurant supply. Good job forum!
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This is the one I have, and that is a good deal compared to what I paid, score, I mean except for me :o
http://www.instawares.com/cooper-atkins-screen-print-kit.cak-93816k.0.7.htm?Ts=0&view=list (http://www.instawares.com/cooper-atkins-screen-print-kit.cak-93816k.0.7.htm?Ts=0&view=list)
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Well snap, I actually would've paid the extra $35 or so for that kit @ $317. Looks like it has some extra sensor wire and a case never hurts for instruments being subjected to a print shop environment.
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Man that seems high... I'll have to run my k-type in my dryer and see what it tells me.
That donut almost seems like it's making some sort of X with the end of the probe. I'd be willing to do that to mine if someone could get me some better pics/description.
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Man that seems high... I'll have to run my k-type in my dryer and see what it tells me.
That donut almost seems like it's making some sort of X with the end of the probe. I'd be willing to do that to mine if someone could get me some better pics/description.
Hit the link in Erin's post to the Wilflex overview pdf. It has some closer pics. It does look like the probe wires cross and make contact and the donut just holds it all in place.
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Man that seems high... I'll have to run my k-type in my dryer and see what it tells me.
That donut almost seems like it's making some sort of X with the end of the probe. I'd be willing to do that to mine if someone could get me some better pics/description.
If you want the real thing, and already have the thermometer, you can get just the probe and wire http://www.instawares.com/screen-print-donut-surface.cak-50008k.0.7.htm?view=list (http://www.instawares.com/screen-print-donut-surface.cak-50008k.0.7.htm?view=list)
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That's the part I was saying was high!
This is basically what I have:
http://www.zorotools.com/g/00057029/k-G1100583?utm_source=google_shopping&utm_medium=organic&utm_campaign=Google_Shopping_Feed (http://www.zorotools.com/g/00057029/k-G1100583?utm_source=google_shopping&utm_medium=organic&utm_campaign=Google_Shopping_Feed)
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What you have Gilligan doesn't respond quickly to temp changes, which is necessary for seeing
if a garment is getting a full cure during the time it travels down the conveyor.
It is a good tool for measuring static temp of the dryer though.
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We use a temp gun seems to be doing the trick
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Many of us use a non-contact thermometer with usable results, but we know that we are not measuring the bottom of our ink deposits. We have, at best, learned how to translate a surface reading to a relative temperature of the whole layer.
What the Cooper-Atkins Donut does is allow the "cross hairs" to actually be buried at the bottom of the layer of a sample print, and give a truly accurate reading of what has happened to the whole ink layer.
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Frog summed it up. I wanted to invest in one of these because we're going from a 20" long chamber with a single IR panel to a 10 foot long one with a heated forced air middle and IR panels at either end. Figured it would be nice to not only map out what's going on in there but to see what we have for a high/low inside the chamber. I may not be running the last IR 'bump' panel at all so the IR gun wouldn't be as handy as with a shorter dryer.
We use a raytek raynger right now and it's handy for sure but my ultimate test is washing and drying, there's just nothing as absolute as that.
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For those that are using the donut probe, what peak temperature are you looking for in comparison to the ink manufactures listed curing temperature? For example, manufacturer lists "Cure at 325°F (162°C) over a 60-90 second period". Also, has anyone used theirs to sync their flash times?
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According to the Wilflex How-To guide you're supposed to press the wires into the ink. Is it easy to remove the probe once the ink has cured completely around it?
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According to the Wilflex How-To guide you're supposed to press the wires into the ink. Is it easy to remove the probe once the ink has cured completely around it?
Yes, the ink won't be completely around the wires unless you have a very thick deposit of ink which you won't have when doing this type of testing.