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screen printing => Equipment => Topic started by: Dottonedan on June 23, 2011, 03:49:53 PM
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NOt that it matters much, but I wanted to get an idea of the numbers from our press owners here on this forum.
Press type (manual or Auto) and color count. It makes no difference on the poll if you have 1 or 10 autos.
You may change your vote on this poll over time should your press change.
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manual: Vastex V2000 6-6
auto: Anatol Horizon mini 8/7
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Dan just curious did you mean for the poll options to be how many color machine versus how many stations?
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Dan just curious did you mean for the poll options to be how many color machine versus how many stations?
that's funny, I did not even read, just answered "colors" as it is asking in the header!
So Dan, which one is it?????
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MHM 10/12, Rototex 8/4, M & R Gauntlet 6/8...
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Dan just curious did you mean for the poll options to be how many color machine versus how many stations?
Not sure I understand the questions. I don't know. It's been a while since I've been in looking at a 14 color press but don't you have an option to take out the flash and print 14 color on a 14 station press?
14 stations and 14 colors?
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No Dan you need an open station or else you would be loading and unloading on a print head lol.
Stations means how many tables the press has then how many colors, you could have two more stations than colors one for loader and one for unlaoder, or some small single operator shops only have one station over colors they load and unlaod all them selves.
My auto is six colors with 8 stations (not to be named)
We also have a four color supertex manual made by AWT before GPI took over.
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An artist should want to know how many colors they could figure on, more than the number of stations the press person has to put shirts upon.
And, btw, I only run three stations on my six color workhorse.
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Dan just curious did you mean for the poll options to be how many color machine versus how many stations?
Not sure I understand the questions. I don't know. It's been a while since I've been in looking at a 14 color press but don't you have an option to take out the flash and print 14 color on a 14 station press?
14 stations and 14 colors?
most presses have a loading and an offloading stations so they are 8/10 (8 colors/ 10 stations)
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most presses have a loading and an offloading stations so they are 8/10 (8 colors/ 10 stations)
Yep, otherwise dodging those screens would be a bitch!
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10 color RPM Revolution, 4 color/4 station Vastex V2000HD
Who has the 12 color autos here?
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No Dan you need an open station or else you would be loading and unloading on a print head lol.
Stations means how many tables the press has then how many colors, you could have two more stations than colors one for loader and one for unlaoder, or some small single operator shops only have one station over colors they load and unlaod all them selves.
My auto is six colors with 8 stations (not to be named)
We also have a four color supertex manual made by AWT before GPI took over.
We had 14 color presses with 18 stations and a 16 color/24 stations oval. Faster unloading production and we used them for extra cool down stations after a flash as well...but you could always ad a color in that spot as well. You could flash on a specific head that the artist requested or you could run strait colors 1 thru 16 on light color garments.
Heads, colors, stations, pallets, cool downs, they are all available interchangeable spots to me that are used or not used as a color location. It always confused me a little.
A station is your work area. If you have a 16 color press with 20 stations... and you can only load/unload from 4 areas/stations than they should call that press a 16 color (4 station press). You have 20 pallets to load shirts on....not 20 work stations.
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6/8 DiamondBack
4/4 old school Hopkins
1/1 Odyssey tabletop which I would like to get rid of.
4/1 Ryonet Silver press that I would like to get rid of.
1/1 CAPS hat press that I would like to get rid of.
Brown Slider Number press that I probably SHOULD get rid of.
...Jeez, looking at this, I may be a screenprinting equipment hoarder. ::)
...Is there a classified section here yet? :P
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6/8 DiamondBack
4/4 old school Hopkins
1/1 Odyssey tabletop which I would like to get rid of.
4/1 Ryonet Silver press that I would like to get rid of.
1/1 CAPS hat press that I would like to get rid of.
Brown Slider Number press that I probably SHOULD get rid of.
...Jeez, looking at this, I may be a screenprinting equipment hoarder. ::)
...Is there a classified section here yet? :P
Right there at the bottom, under the word, "Classifieds"! ???
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Crap. Now I have no excuse.
;D
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It's interesting to see that so many have 8 color manuals as well as 8 color autos.
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It's interesting to see that so many have 8 color manuals as well as 8 color autos.
Presses like the Chameleon are often sold as "proof" presses to be used in conjunction with an auto. Some, in fact, find them a little big and heavy for everyday use.
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I did (or was in charge of) sampling of our sim process /multi spot color prints at Disney using a Chameleon. That baby was a monster. We had the two tier 14 color manual press. I think it was 6 on bottom and 8 on top.
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Four ten color Gauntlets one eight color Chameleon, One six color something or other.
But that looks like its all going to change soon.
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6/4 Antec Legend
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8 color 10 station M&R Sportsman EX 2020 Auto.
6 color 6 station Vastex 2000HD Manual.
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Four ten color Gauntlets one eight color Chameleon, One six color something or other.
But that looks like its all going to change soon.
Do tell Tony!
Is there a new Challenger on the way?
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18-16 CII
14-12 CII
16-14 GII
8-8 Chameleon
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Four ten color Gauntlets one eight color Chameleon, One six color something or other.
But that looks like its all going to change soon.
Do tell Tony!
Is there a new Challenger on the way?
No........but maybe five TAS autos
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8-color, 4-station Vastex 2000HD, a strong back and a weak mind . . .
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Four ten color Gauntlets one eight color Chameleon, One six color something or other.
But that looks like its all going to change soon.
Do tell Tony!
Is there a new Challenger on the way?
No........but maybe five TAS autos
I thought you might be bringing in a couple Prism II's :)
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Sorry Alan.....Hell has'nt quite froze over yet. I'll keep you posted though.
Hint.....This is'nt about a machine purchase.
tp
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18-16 CII
14-12 CII
16-14 GII
8-8 Chameleon
I'm jealous!
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Sorry Alan.....Hell has'nt quite froze over yet. I'll keep you posted though.
LOL
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Four ten color Gauntlets one eight color Chameleon, One six color something or other.
But that looks like its all going to change soon.
Do tell Tony!
Is there a new Challenger on the way?
No........but maybe five TAS autos
no interest in MHM?
nothing against TAS or anybody else, it's just that I am more than a little partial to the MHM . . .
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MHM are awesome machines. Zero deflection on those boards. Anatols beefier machines like the Vindicator same thing. Tech support and parts not so good for MHM. That said they rarely need maintenance. But as I alluded to earlier this is not about a machine purchase.
I'll send you a PM
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I am not 100% sure about this (maybe Gavin could help) but I think with the new ownership of MHM the tech support call center is done by a new company. I have had no problems talking to a tech or getting parts. Parts are cheap and almost everything you can do yourself with tech help over the phone. (except resetting all the registration blocks after a previous owner moved them.)
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10/12 TAS 205 RA
8/8 Antec Legend
Sounds like you're acquiring a shop, Tony.... anybody we know?
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Currently printing on a 6/6 Antec Legend and a 6/4 Riley Hopkins Win Series.
I aspire to own a Tas Hawk Compact, MHM E-Type or an RPM in the future. But I'll settle for a Titan at this point lol.
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Looks like I win with oldest machine....lol 10 color Challenger. I found a 10 color Challenger a while back with under a 100k in impressions. It was like finding that old hotrod that Grandma parked in the garage and never drove for 20 years....lol
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Four ten color Gauntlets one eight color Chameleon, One six color something or other.
But that looks like its all going to change soon.
Do tell Tony!
Is there a new Challenger on the way?
No........but maybe five TAS autos
TAS isn't perfect but I love it.
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That's very interesting Tony. I hope you will still be able to get on the forums regularly and it's somewhere you can continue to work your magic. I know it would be a boring move to go from the style of printing you're doing now to a spot color plastisol shop like ours.
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8co, 8station Chameleon II for us.
Like Mr. Frog, I like to run 4 platens at a time to keep my body from getting totally wrecked on long runs involving a flash but will run 8 with a loader/puller. The spider takes a lot of torque to move when printing at a steady clip which leads to frequent platen levelling and quite honestly would benefit from an indexer for both production and sampling accuracy purposes. I'm not sure why they don't make this press with automated indexing and manual heads.
I aspire to own a Tas Hawk Compact, MHM E-Type or an RPM in the future. But I'll settle for a Titan at this point lol.
Funny, I was just thinking the exact same thing almost, except maybe Tas MiniMax instead of Hawk. If the dumbasses we were brokering our new production space with the last 8 months had their poop in a group I would've picked up any number of cherry used Anatols though. We have a full set of nearly every platen you might ever need with the M&R style bracket so the Anatol's are highly likely for us for that reason and since I hate x-y, anti-droop plate style micros. We need 10 colors for the auto but with the Titan being so affordable and supposedly breezy to setup I keep mulling over getting an all-electric one as bridging measure. I simply cannot get out of the weeds on our custom orders with the manual alone right now and the payroll costs needed to do it doesn't add up to a good business move.
Those Tas machines look so simple and rock solid, they might not be as sexy as the MHM or the Vindicator (all-servo is extremely attractive) but I'll bet they're very faithful presses.
Alan, I know I could just ask them myself, but will RPM do a 10 color build that can accept 25" wide screens? Or are they pretty much settled on the stock configurations on the site?
Best with the new venture Tony. Whomever's production your taking over is a lucky sob.
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Zoo, we have a few 25 x 31's in our dark room that we have never used, Monday I'll got put one into the press and see what kind of room there is to work with. I think they would be fine since our flash unit fits nicely and it's got to be wider than 25". I've never had a problem with a screen's movement being hindered on either side of the flash units. The conversations I've had with Rick seem to tell me they can do a lot of little custom things to the press to fit the customer's needs. The guys up the road that bought one got a longer print stroke and the only difference in that machine and ours is a slightly larger dimension. I believe it has a 24" stroke length and ours is a 20.
I think we'd all be a little surprised at what the manufacturers can do to the machines as far as modifying or speeding up the presses. I know Rick told me they could really speed up the Revolution just by putting a larger servo on but nobody has needed it to run faster. Plus you run into the sleeves flinging up and getting printed on among other engineering things that I don't know about. He said they could have our 10 color run at 1500+/hr easily but there are issues like I mentioned earler. I've seen a few presses that index faster than ours (challenger III, gauntlet z, mhm s-type) but it's faster than most I've seen. I remember seeing an MHM e-type about four years ago at the ISS Ft. Worth that at the time seemed to index so fast it might take off, but I was running a very slow centurian at the time so it might not have been that fast.
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I am freaking awestruck with some of the equipment you guys have.
I'm almost ashamed to post my Workhorse 6/4.
But on the positive side. It is nice to know I have low expenses, paid off equipment and I don't really have to print shirts (or whatever) anymore to survive. I just like doing it.
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I am freaking awestruck with some of the equipment you guys have.
I'm almost ashamed to post my Workhorse 6/4.
But on the positive side. It is nice to know I have low expenses, paid off equipment and I don't really have to print shirts (or whatever) anymore to survive. I just like doing it.
And that is worth a lot more than some fancy auto.
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I am freaking awestruck with some of the equipment you guys have.
I'm almost ashamed to post my Workhorse 6/4.
But on the positive side. It is nice to know I have low expenses, paid off equipment and I don't really have to print shirts (or whatever) anymore to survive. I just like doing it.
that's funny, 'cause Workhorse 6/4 is pretty darn nice press!
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12 Color Progressive Falcon
16 Color Printex Prism II
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I am freaking awestruck with some of the equipment you guys have.
I'm almost ashamed to post my Workhorse 6/4.
But on the positive side. It is nice to know I have low expenses, paid off equipment and I don't really have to print shirts (or whatever) anymore to survive. I just like doing it.
that's funny, 'cause Workhorse 6/4 is pretty darn nice press!
Ah, but compared to even a 6 color auto, not to mention 8. Maybe someday. Be nice to have something besides the shoulders pulling (or pushing).
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maybe you should ask also what press do you have the you dont use! like a anatol auto...ahhahahahahahahah had to shane...
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12 Color Progressive Falcon
16 Color Printex Prism II
The Workhorse manuals are great. I have never had a problem with my 6/6. Just make sure you buy the teal colored one. Workhorse also makes a Murcury brand press that is blackish. They are not nearly as good. (much cheaper and will do the job, but not as good.)
I made alot of money on my Workhorse 6/6. they keep perfect registration. I have done 4 color process on it. CMYK Full Color Screen printing with a push stroke on t-shirts (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TFr2VBH8arc#)
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Nice Vid.
Mine is the teal one. You make the CMYK look so easy. What brand ink?
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Mine is the teal one. You make the CMYK look so easy. What brand ink?
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Its unions ink. I have had really good results with it. I use their color profile "magic numbers", from their website (its under software) when I output my film. I also use 2 sets of registration marks. one is to line up the screens. Then the closer ones are for when printing. they are much smaller and closer to the image. I use a loop to view them to make sure the print it dead on. (all reg marks are covered when printing the shirts)
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Thanks. One last question and I just posted that I'm thinking of making a printer change in the general section, but what do you use to output your films?
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Thanks. One last question and I just posted that I'm thinking of making a printer change in the general section, but what do you use to output your films?
I maybe the only one in the screen printing industry that uses Canon. I have a canon pro 9000. It does up to 13 wide. I am looking at getting a new one that does up to 24 inches wide. (right now I can only do 16 wide but my MHM with some new items will do 20 wide.)
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Thanks
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Looks like I win with oldest machine....lol 10 color Challenger. I found a 10 color Challenger a while back with under a 100k in impressions. It was like finding that old hotrod that Grandma parked in the garage and never drove for 20 years....lol
Ummm not quite. All the work I am currently doing is on Gauntlets with ove 2,000,000 impressions.
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What year are they? My oldie is a 89.
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12 Color Progressive Falcon
16 Color Printex Prism II
The Workhorse manuals are great. I have never had a problem with my 6/6. Just make sure you buy the teal colored one. Workhorse also makes a Murcury brand press that is blackish. They are not nearly as good. (much cheaper and will do the job, but not as good.)
I made alot of money on my Workhorse 6/6. they keep perfect registration. I have done 4 color process on it. CMYK Full Color Screen printing with a push stroke on t-shirts ([url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TFr2VBH8arc#[/url])
I've always enjoyed your videos on youtube. Any chance you'll get some videos of the MHM soon?
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12 Color Progressive Falcon
16 Color Printex Prism II
The Workhorse manuals are great. I have never had a problem with my 6/6. Just make sure you buy the teal colored one. Workhorse also makes a Murcury brand press that is blackish. They are not nearly as good. (much cheaper and will do the job, but not as good.)
I made alot of money on my Workhorse 6/6. they keep perfect registration. I have done 4 color process on it. CMYK Full Color Screen printing with a push stroke on t-shirts ([url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TFr2VBH8arc#[/url])
I've always enjoyed your videos on youtube. Any chance you'll get some videos of the MHM soon?
Nation03,
I have been wanting to. With the move and learning the MHM I just have not had time. I'm glad you like the videos. I will see if i can get a video of my 5 color job this week.
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An intimate MHM vid of you setting up a job would be rad. You never get shots of screens being loaded and registered it seems like.