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General => General Discussion and ??? => Topic started by: Sbrem on March 13, 2013, 08:03:50 AM
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I have a new customer with a painting company. He has a nice, professionally created design, but only gave us a jpeg. I checked in with him yesterday via email to see if he had any luck getting a good file from the design firm that did the work, and mentioned that if perhaps he has had his truck lettered, then the sign shop that did the work would have files we could use. His reply was, honest to God, "What is a truck?" This is a real business man, he flips houses with a guy that started our shop way back in '90. Two days ago, a guy came to me for some shirts for his paintball team. We're in a 100 year old mill building, with 3 other considerably smaller buildings in close proximity. He's outside, and can see our sign, with others, on our building, but he can't figure out which building we're in...
Steve
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Use Homers Answer..." you know the truck that keeps the ninja supplies" haha!
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My suggestion would be to give him NO slack or favors. If he doesn't have the right artwork, and does not get it to you by "x" day, he will not have the shirts. Then DO NOT make an exception. I have dealt with people like this, and what I found is that they are not entirely stupid(highly, but not entirely) they are big multi taskers, or adults driven by ADD(raises hand). They don't mean to be a pain in the ass, but with 100 other things going on for them at one time, what they consider small details get left behind. By actually helping them or doing them a favor "this once" you just set your self up for those favors on every order. May just be a simple re-draw now, but next time it could be "oh, I thought it was 2 colors, can you just run the 5 colors for the same price? I already committed these as a donation". Or some variation there of. Give them a inch, they will expect 2-3 inches next time as standard.
Just my .02
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I go with the exact opposite approach, as most customers have no idea what a vector file is, and you're just as likely to get a .pdf .ai .eps .cdr file with the .jpg in it anyways. So if it's simple enough, we just re-draw it. If it is going to take a while we tell them it'll cost a bit of money, but we keep it reasonable, then give them a copy of the vector file for them to keep.
As a printer/shirt supplier, we're here to service the customers needs, that includes making the artwork they get work. This guy sounds like a busy guy and the last thing he wants to do is dick around calling people trying to explain what you need, even though he doesn't have a clue why you need it, what it is, and what the difference is. He's may even be wondering if you know what you're doing because the local newspaper had no problems with that low res. .jpg for his business card sized ad, and "it looked just fine".
Yes at some point you need to draw the line in the sand, but from my perspective you're always better to come off accommodating rather than stubborn. "We need the original file for our process, but we can probably re-create it from what you gave, it'll take about 1/2 an hour so we'll charge you $30.00. it's a one time charge and we'll e-mail you a copy in case you need it again in the future.
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Yeah, I don't think you should expect much... He's your customer, he came to you for help... it doesn't hurt to ask for files, but ask once then just rebuild the artwork and charge accordingly.
After all, you're not working for free... asking clients for art files is not to save you time, but to save them money. It's not their job to know what a jpeg is... even though it benefits them to learn this stuff... in the end, it's your job to get their order fulfilled.
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I got the good file, that's not the point. He asked me, "What is a truck?" And he's a very nice guy by the way, not asking for any favors. I'm just having trouble with some of the really stupid things I hear lately, I just don't know how to answer an adult asking questions like "What is a truck?" This is grown man in the trades, I'm sure he's driven a truck, pickup or van before. Like my other example, very nice guy, but when he see's our sign on a building, he doesn't assume we're in that building. I must be losing patience/getting old. I would never insult them, but it's hard to remind myself to not make a face when I hear something like that.
Steve
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Steve have you seen Idiocracy?
It ain't you man.
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Yes, I hated it because it was so stupid. My wife loved it. I just gotta lighten up I guess... I'm glad that they're nice folks, it would suck if they were arrogant.
Steve
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It's real simple for us, get your art or we can make you new art or recreate your art, which we will bill for either way.
I would say most customers that "dont have their art" suddenly "find" it when you start talking about money to recreate it.
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It's real simple for us, get your art or we can make you new art or recreate your art, which we will bill for either way.
I would say most customers that "dont have their art" suddenly "find" it when you start talking about money to recreate it.
Could not be farther from the truth. I dont know how many times they have said it does not exist. When the talk of money starts it gets found pretty quickly.
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In fairness, the designer was putting him off, but did finally send an .eps. We know to guide our customers through our part of the jungle, it's just the right thing to do, helping people out. Which is why I gave him the proper extensions to ask for. I don't for a minute think he is supposed to know that kind of stuff, just as I don't know anything more about painting a house than putting paint on it (OK, I know slightly more than that, but I'm not going to call myself a painter)
Steve
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Steve have you seen Idiocracy?
It ain't you man.
I know I am in good company when this movie has been brought up twice in a little over a week
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And every so often a client just gets "pissed off" and looks elsewhere....I have got enough orders from folks who came to me because someone else wanted to charge them for art....I make a fair price on what I sell but I try not to "annoy" folks by showing art as a "line item".....I just build enough in to every order to cover the rare order where I have to pay to have art re-created....
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It might be interesting to see where some of us compare in pricing when we are talking art and print, since my print prices include zero art, I wont even type a font for you. You either have art, or you pay for art.
I might be higher than all you cats when you start considering that ;)
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Steve have you seen Idiocracy?
It ain't you man.
I know I am in good company when this movie has been brought up twice in a little over a week
I'm going to buy it and watch it this weekend. I love that movie. There is so much stuff in it you miss the first 20 times or so.. :o :o :o
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Steve, I wonder if he could have been simply over thinking "truck" and figuring if it meant something special in this screen print art file context
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On a similar vein, I've got local competition that likes to hold customers artwork hostage. IE: "no you can't have a copy of your vector art or embroidery files, they belong to us." I love them for this, often I'll eat the redraw or get a left chest re-digitized for $10 and have a customer for ever. How in hell my competition thinks their going to keep a customer by not giving them their art is baffling to me. If anything it chases them further away.
For the most part I won't send a customer back to the competition for their art anyways, the less my competition knows about who I'm doing work for, the better.
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When you eat the art fee are you still giving them the art if they want it?
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Steve, I wonder if he could have been simply over thinking "truck" and figuring if it meant something special in this screen print art file context
That would be my guess, Andy. I thought it was a pretty straight ahead question. It's not like I asked about his sex life, in which he could jokingly said, "What's a sex life?"...
Steve
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Steve, I wonder if he could have been simply over thinking "truck" and figuring if it meant something special in this screen print art file context
That's what I'm thinking... He can't be that stupid. If he's a burn-the-candle-at-both-ends type, he may have been truly distracted or not giving it his full thought and like Frog said, except "under" thinking it.
Friends don't let friends multi-task.
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I told my wife about it this morning (she's an artist, and worked for us for a time) and her reply was "Huh? Wha?" He was in a little earlier, and everything is copacetic now. A really nice guy. No, I didn't bring it up... hee hee
Steve
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When you eat the art fee are you still giving them the art if they want it?
To a point, yes. I'm not talking multi hour creations, index color stuff, just basic 10-20 minute stuff if there is a nice order attached. Clip-art collages, I call them.
This was the last one I gave away. I did shirts, pucks, medals, mini-sticks and gave the logo for their flyers, posters and programs. I don't like the player graphic, but that's what she chose out of the book.