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screen printing => Ink and Chemicals => Topic started by: mpot on March 27, 2013, 09:11:00 AM

Title: WM black cream
Post by: mpot on March 27, 2013, 09:11:00 AM
So we have some WM Plastics "black cream" and for a dark color it seems real sticky and thick. Is it just old and time to get rid of it or is this a characteristic of "black cream"? Or does anyone even use this?
Matt
Title: Re: WM black cream
Post by: Denis Kolar on March 27, 2013, 09:14:16 AM
It gets runnier when you mix it up and start printing.
Title: Re: WM black cream
Post by: 3Deep on March 27, 2013, 11:40:37 AM
Same here once you start printing with it, it gets real creamy just like it's name....I use it all the time, matter of fact they have a sell gal of bright white and black cream for under 80 bucks.

Darryl
Title: Re: WM black cream
Post by: ScreenFoo on March 27, 2013, 11:46:19 AM
I got a sample of black cream that was heat damaged, and even stirring it up it didn't really print too well--added it to some too-runny QCM from the not so good QC days, and it was a great little bucket of ink.   ;D

I really like their spec black, but you almost have to cut it a bit with base or reducer.  The bright white isn't bad either, probably gone through ten or fifteen gallons.
Seems to be decent ink for the money.
Title: Re: WM black cream
Post by: 3Deep on March 27, 2013, 12:17:44 PM
If I can get another gal of bright white just like I got now, man I would be happy this has been the best gal yet, can't say that about the last few gals.

Darryl
Title: Re: WM black cream
Post by: ScreenFoo on March 27, 2013, 12:28:23 PM
Not sure if this will help, but I had issues a few times when people were pulling ink from the top of the bucket without stirring--the top prints easy, but has crappy opacity, all the pigment drops to the bottom, so once the liquid on top is gone, the bottom is opaque, but stinks to print.  That ink is so loose, I think you HAVE to stir the whole bucket up. 

If stirring well isn't SOP every time, try it out, it might help.

Title: Re: WM black cream
Post by: mpot on March 27, 2013, 02:18:24 PM
Thanks I'll try stirring more vigorously and see if it helps.

 
Title: Re: WM black cream
Post by: Rob Coleman on March 27, 2013, 02:46:28 PM
Not sure if this will help, but I had issues a few times when people were pulling ink from the top of the bucket without stirring--the top prints easy, but has crappy opacity, all the pigment drops to the bottom, so once the liquid on top is gone, the bottom is opaque, but stinks to print.  That ink is so loose, I think you HAVE to stir the whole bucket up. 

If stirring well isn't SOP every time, try it out, it might help.

As an FYI ... a properly dispersed plastisol SHOULD NOT separate.  Seriously, you should not have pigment (TIO2 in this case) separating. 

Now stirring ANY white ink is good practice -- to break down hte false body (viscosity) NOT because the product separated.....
Title: Re: WM black cream
Post by: ScreenFoo on March 27, 2013, 04:30:07 PM
That's interesting--perhaps I shouldn't have said pigments settling, as I have no way of knowing what's making the bottom thick, but it does feel like it has a heavier viscosity on the bottom than the top.

I've wondered anyway, what makes something as heavy as titanium dioxide NOT settle.   ;D
Title: Re: WM black cream
Post by: JayzTeez on March 27, 2013, 08:46:02 PM
I use Black Cream and love it.  Best black i ever used.