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screen printing => Waterbase and Discharge => Topic started by: Grape Ape on March 29, 2013, 10:05:40 AM
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Has anyone been able to do this with good results?
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it will work, but slow
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It works, but I don't think anyone with an electric dryer has ever cured discharge and said, "Wow, that was fast". ;D
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it will work, but slow
What Time and Temp are you at. Have you had to run them back through any?
Thanks
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We keep it simple ~325F for 2-2.5 minutes. Works like a charm and haven't had any issues after wash tests, and that's an old Hix with no air movement, but good ventilation. I probably wouldn't want to do it with 4-6' of heat as your belt speed would have to be way too slow. We have 9' of heat so it isn't too bad, but yes, it is the bottleneck for the auto. We make do by folding the shirt to just larger than print area for now. We'll also experiment with higher heats, but for now I like 325 as it's almost impossible to scorch a shirt.
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we used to do it. . . had the shirts coming out at 400+ and could only do about 125/hour (compared to 700 of plastisol for a similar sized print). No air movement eihter.
pierre
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I don't have full on production figures yet, but with Plastisol on my poor old 24"-14' Hix we hit ~480/hour. I'd imagine WB/DC will max out at around 250-350/hr. I wouldn't think we'd be losing more than 25% because that's all we slow the belt down by. It still requires the puller to fold down the shirts, but I've got a guy who's an automaton at that.
We've still got a trick up our sleeve for when we need it, and that's parking an IR flash cure over the belt at the tunnel intake which effectively adds 20% of "tunnel" allowing us to speed up the belt by that much. We've done that with large runs of wineglasses and the padprinter before with good results.
Necessity is the mother of invention, at least it is until a 48/16 gas oven falls into my lap ;D
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Reminds me how we used to squeeze one extra color on the Ovals by rigging a manual screen at the end of the load side......Genius (not my idea)
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Lol, that sound like innovation to me!
Someone else here also suggested a good long flash on the auto for WB/DC before the shirt is pulled to help get things started for those of us who are "under-ovened".
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We do it everyday with no problems. Speed is slower than plastisol but still we're able to run about 350+pcs./hr. depending on the print size. 48" belt. 6' of heat.
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We do it everyday with no problems. Speed is slower than plastisol but still we're able to run about 350+pcs./hr. depending on the print size. 48" belt. 6' of heat.
What temp and belt speed (FPM)?
Thanks
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The smell test at the end of the dryer is quite accurate, if it doesn't smell like discharge anymore, you should be good to go. Of course you will want to wash-test a lot at first until you are positive, but "follow your nose" works pretty well.
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Reminds me how we used to squeeze one extra color on the Ovals by rigging a manual screen at the end of the load side......Genius (not my idea)
As if running an oval weren't bad enough (I used to own one), adding a manual screen on the load side???
Actually, it was probably the best and most registered color right? ;D
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What temp and belt speed (FPM)?
Thanks
410F @ 8.5FPM. Belt to element height = 6".
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Yeah, before we went to all gas years ago we were electric. A fan at both ends (one pushing in air, one pulling it out) helped with the cure for discharge inks tremendously. Give it a shot
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Yeah, before we went to all gas years ago we were electric. A fan at both ends (one pushing in air, one pulling it out) helped with the cure for discharge inks tremendously. Give it a shot
Was the fan speed on low? Did that not srew with your temp.
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I can't imagine blowing or sucking air right out of the tunnel, I'd lose all my heat. We're even very careful about the back door being open and a breeze blowing the heat out of the oven. For us the only thing that would work would be air movement in the tunnel, but it would have to be recirculating like a convection oven.
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It was years ago, and I cannot remember type of fan or speed or actual, real placements of the two fans but it did help and it did not reduce temp. I would suggest trying it if you are on an electric dryer. The worse is it will not help your shop. But it could.
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Reminds me how we used to squeeze one extra color on the Ovals by rigging a manual screen at the end of the load side......Genius (not my idea)
As if running an oval weren't bad enough (I used to own one), adding a manual screen on the load side???
Yes indeed. Back then the largest presses wer 8 colors. Didnt work for Nike and Warner Bros characters. Also had to notch squeegees and make thin wooden strips which ran along the inside of the screen alllowing to print up to 3 colors in one screeen
Actually, it was probably the best and most registered color right? ;D
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I have seen many catchers turn fans in the wrong direction trying to cool shirts and inadvertently drop the temps in a dryer below cure.
Or for that manner Press People also.
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Necessity is the mother of invention, at least it is until a 48/16 gas oven falls into my lap ;D
You rang?
Somebody oughta snap this up. (http://www.digitsmith.com/harco-small-dryer-m-r-large-dryer-37024.html)
I'd get it but we need 60"/24 or longer. Looking for my first gas dryer I didn't understand why so many
had super long in-feeds. Moving to a new building with a different layout and now I get it...
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Hmmm, gonna have to check that out.... I love the dance floor on top of it, just needs a brass pole 8)