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General => General Discussion and ??? => Topic started by: inkman996 on April 19, 2013, 09:03:20 AM
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Just got an email from Common Wealth Cotton they are forced to closed due to the lock down in Boston. Hope no one has a rush order they need to place!
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I'd be more concerned that all innocent people are safe. Just my feelings.
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He is, that's in another post. :)
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The tenor sax player in my band is 4 blocks from the house with the tank in front of it. We still have a Bodek and NES in the state (less than an hour for me) but who cares, I just want them to get the bastard alive...
Steve
for those not local, they have shut down all schools and businesses in about 5 surrounding towns, plus all public transit. The news at 6:00 AM was telling anyone who goes to work in one of those towns to stay home. Pretty serious sh!t...
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I hope he dies...a painful and drawn out death. Screw this alive junk. What are we going to do with him when we capture him? A public defender, a civilian trial? He is a terrorist and should be given a military trial and hauled out back to stand in front of a firing squad.
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I hope he dies...a painful and drawn out death. Screw this alive junk. What are we going to do with him when we capture him? A public defender, a civilian trial? He is a terrorist and should be given a military trial and hauled out back to stand in front of a firing squad.
I'm good with that too, come to think of it. According to our Attorney General, "It's not illegal to be illegal in Massachusetts." Honest to God, she actually said that a few years ago.
Steve
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Trying to be the melding pot of the world brings in crazy ass people from other countries hell bend on doing us harm, for what reasons, only the lord knows. I will agree with Brad waste .75 cents on him and safe millions, who cares what his reason for doing this is, but sending out a message to anyone else that thinks of doing this and they will get the same treatment, .75 cent justice.
Darryl
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Alive in this case might be a better out come, no one knows yet if these two bastards have any type of connection to a larger organization or more worrisome connections to someone still in our country. If he dies which is likely I would rather see him die on our terms not his. Remember if as is assumed they are Muslim extremists dyeing on their terms is what they wish for.
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Don't worry, after they convict him, and millions of dollars are spent on the trail, Barrack is going to grant him amnesty on his last day of office.....
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Don't worry, after they convict him, and millions of dollars are spent on the trail, Barrack is going to grant him amnesty on his last day of office.....
Forget the millions, shutting down a city like Boston costs. Not just in labor running around looking for a dude, but lost wages, sales for businesses, and so on.
I am very glad they got him, however I am not thrilled with how they went about it.
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Hey, here is a guy that was throwing pipe bombs at the police while they are trying to apprehend him. You don't know what else they had with them or they had planned. They had time to set other devices and detonate them in the time after the marathon bombing and the time their identities were revealed.
They could have done a better job, but on the flip side, how many other lives were lost...zero. And that is important.
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Don't worry, after they convict him, and millions of dollars are spent on the trail, Barrack is going to grant him amnesty on his last day of office.....
Forget the millions, shutting down a city like Boston costs. Not just in labor running around looking for a dude, but lost wages, sales for businesses, and so on.
I am very glad they got him, however I am not thrilled with how they went about it.
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No? So exactly what other options did they have?
Of course since everyones rights are so precious they should have just let them go and avouid the man hunt. Then when they invaded someones home and slaughtered the family everyone can then complain the government did nothing.
No matter how any of it was done someone will complain but the same people have no answer (practical answer) as to how they should have dealt with those fools.
If a proven terrorist was loose in my neighborhood I would welcome any and all forms of law enforcement in my house and neighborhood, I have two children to worry about and guess what trained professionals with weapons sure make me feel safer than a nut with a gun and possibly explosives.
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Don't worry, after they convict him, and millions of dollars are spent on the trail, Barrack is going to grant him amnesty on his last day of office.....
PLease tell me you meant that as a joke? If not then that is the sorriest thing you have ever written on this forum.
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Don't worry, after they convict him, and millions of dollars are spent on the trail, Barrack is going to grant him amnesty on his last day of office.....
Forget the millions, shutting down a city like Boston costs. Not just in labor running around looking for a dude, but lost wages, sales for businesses, and so on.
I am very glad they got him, however I am not thrilled with how they went about it.
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No? So exactly what other options did they have?
Of course since everyones rights are so precious they should have just let them go and avouid the man hunt. Then when they invaded someones home and slaughtered the family everyone can then complain the government did nothing.
No matter how any of it was done someone will complain but the same people have no answer (practical answer) as to how they should have dealt with those fools.
If a proven terrorist was loose in my neighborhood I would welcome any and all forms of law enforcement in my house and neighborhood, I have two children to worry about and guess what trained professionals with weapons sure make me feel safer than a nut with a gun and possibly explosives.
Proven? When did he have his day in court? Mike in America, you are innocent until proven guilty in court. Also in America, there are some important rights we all have from illegal search. Give up your rights if you like. Doesn't mean everyone wants too.
BTW our government sent us to Iraq to get proven WMDs. You probably still believe that one lol.
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Your right Brandt we should have just let them go and asked them nicely to come in and answer some questions.
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They shut down 5 towns to catch this turd, and just about everyone around here is fine with that. Sometimes, nice doesn't work so well... Yes, he is an American citizen, but earning that means that an oath to defend the US is taken, so is he really due his rights since he broke his oath? He plainly did that as subterfuge, no matter what someone has to say about his brother leading him on. He's been here 10 years, he knew exactly what he was doing. I've stayed pretty quiet on this, because so much is being said already.
Steve
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There is no way to change people's mind who have that mentality. Only when it directly and personally hits close to home. Rights? He gave up his rights when he decided to build a bomb and place in a public place with the intention of killing as many innocent people as possible. Rights? These are the same type people who say we shouldn't have the right to bear arms even though that is also constitutional. They like to cherry pick what they want.
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There is no way to change people's mind who have that mentality. Only when it directly and personally hits close to home. Rights? He gave up his rights when he decided to build a bomb and place in a public place with the intention of killing as many innocent people as possible. Rights? These are the same type people who say we shouldn't have the right to bear arms even though that is also constitutional. They like to cherry pick what they want.
Who says we shouldn't have the right to bear arms?
Last i checked I own a fire arm, I certainly respect my right to bear arms.
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BTW our government sent us to Iraq to get proven WMDs. You probably still believe that one lol.
Actually Brandt, there was a convoy that left Iraq and headed into Syria the night before we invaded...also they DID have WMD's, we sold them to Saddam when he was fighting the Russians...and he used them on his own people.
So, they did exist...and probably still do since Syria has been using chemical weapons on it's civilians.
Normally I would side on libertarian side, but you have a guy they are 99% sure had something to do with the most horrific attack on US soil since 9/11 and we are supposed to pretend that he is a run-of-the-mill tax evader or something?
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He's owed his day in court. Period. That's how it works in america.
Your right Brandt we should have just let them go and asked them nicely to come in and answer some questions.
Didn't say anything like that Mike. Twist it however you like though and give up your rights if you like and have a guy pointing a gun at you who is suppose to be there to look for the "bad guys".
Who says we shouldn't have the right to bear arms?
Last i checked I own a fire arm, I certainly respect my right to bear arms.
But you are apparently okay giving up your 4th Amendment right.
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Here's the other problem, if they managed to set off more devices and kill more civilians, would you be talking about how badly they botched the manhunt?
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BTW our government sent us to Iraq to get proven WMDs. You probably still believe that one lol.
Actually Brandt, there was a convoy that left Iraq and headed into Syria the night before we invaded...also they DID have WMD's, we sold them to Saddam when he was fighting the Russians...and he used them on his own people.
So, they did exist...and probably still do since Syria has been using chemical weapons on it's civilians.
Which isn't the context it was "sold" to the american people, now was it....
Normally I would side on libertarian side, but you have a guy they are 99% sure had something to do with the most horrific attack on US soil since 9/11 and we are supposed to pretend that he is a run-of-the-mill tax evader or something?
We aren't suppose to pretend anything, I never suggested we don't go after him, I suggested that having to give up my rights shouldn't be part of it. Apparently bending the rules is okay with some, it isn't with all I assure you. Because guess what, once they bend, they eventually break. I find that a big deal. Sorry that you do not.
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Get used to your rights going away, this admin has/will do more of that than any in history.
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Here's the other problem, if they managed to set off more devices and kill more civilians, would you be talking about how badly they botched the manhunt?
Nope, this guy was going to be found and them mounting up to do so was good. Locking the public down and going into their homes though. Welcome to a police state.
Next thing you know we will be doing this when a druggie runs from the cops. Laws bend, then they break.
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Get used to your rights going away, this admin has/will do more of that than any in history.
Ya, that makes it okay!
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Hey, people willingly walked into a ballot box and did that.
I am not a fan of how they conducted the search either, but you have essentially a para-military goon roaming the streets of Boston. They threw pipe bombs at the police when they were being chased.
Walk us through how you would have liked it done.
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Brandt you cannot put your self in the shoes of either the people living in that neighbor hood or the shoes of the lawmen tasked to hunt the man down. Try to imagine the feelings of the citizens in that area considering two bombs just blew up nearly 200 citizens. Now try to put your self in the mind of the men hunting this person who just allegedly shot and murdered a police officer the night before. Do you expect them to walk around with their guns holstered? Knowing the man would probably shoot them in the head if they came around a corner and found him? And seriously the 4th amendment? You need to read some more first Brandt and get a better grasp at what the authorities can do in a dangerous situation and that includes walking around with guns and closing streets, BTW the shelter in place was not an order it was requested of the people. Marshal law was not declared, the authorities urged the citizens to stay in place and work with them not against them. They shut the roads down because they could, you do not have a right to use roads thats a privilege not a right. People were still out on foot all over the area, but for the most part people were staying in their homes supporting the men putting their lives on the line to capture a wanted murderer and suspected terrorist.
I read some great stories of people brewing coffee and giving to the law men as they came through the neighborhoods, and of course we all seen the great videos of the people of Boston out cheering the men as they returned to their normal duties after capturing the fugitive. They did a great job, no one got hurt no one else died. People can complain to much money was spent but how much really? All those men are already on the books if they were not on Boston they would have been working some where else, so how much is to much? What if their was a larger cell of bombers? What if we didn't have resources in place and many more bombs went off? What if more terrorists popped up with guns and ambushed police officers across the city? What if like in Canada they were sabotaging infanstructure for a much larger disaster?
All and all my opinion is they did a great job, they showed the force our country has and the will of the people and the authorities to work together and protect our own.
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Dudes WTF the police never searched any home unless given permission wow you guys really reach some times. There is even video of the police knocking on the doors of homes and asking if everything was ok, one cop was even heard saying would it make you feel safer if we searched your property and home, wow guys really? We do not live in freaking 1940 Germany
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Hey, people willingly walked into a ballot box and did that.
I am not a fan of how they conducted the search either, but you have essentially a para-military goon roaming the streets of Boston. They threw pipe bombs at the police when they were being chased.
Walk us through how you would have liked it done.
I don't know the answer as to how they should have done it, but I do know giving up my right to illegal search isn't and shouldn't have been a option.
This cat would have turned up, my understanding is that he was wounded from the previous firefight. Let him bleed out in a ditch.
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Actually, a video on infowars.com proves the police didn't always ask permission, they forcibly searched homes.
The problem is I don't think any law enforcement agency prepared for this type of emergency. It should be reviewed and we should learn how to do this better.
And yes, the guy as injured, he was more injured from the attempted suicide. But again, what happens if he slips away again and detonates another pressure cooker bomb or something worse? Then the police would be under such scrutiny for not doing enough.
There is never a way to make everybody happy.
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Brandt you cannot put your self in the shoes of either the people living in that neighbor hood or the shoes of the lawmen tasked to hunt the man down. Try to imagine the feelings of the citizens in that area considering two bombs just blew up nearly 200 citizens. Now try to put your self in the mind of the men hunting this person who just allegedly shot and murdered a police officer the night before. Do you expect them to walk around with their guns holstered? Knowing the man would probably shoot them in the head if they came around a corner and found him? And seriously the 4th amendment? You need to read some more first Brandt and get a better grasp at what the authorities can do in a dangerous situation and that includes walking around with guns and closing streets, BTW the shelter in place was not an order it was requested of the people. Marshal law was not declared, the authorities urged the citizens to stay in place and work with them not against them. They shut the roads down because they could, you do not have a right to use roads thats a privilege not a right. People were still out on foot all over the area, but for the most part people were staying in their homes supporting the men putting their lives on the line to capture a wanted murderer and suspected terrorist.
I read some great stories of people brewing coffee and giving to the law men as they came through the neighborhoods, and of course we all seen the great videos of the people of Boston out cheering the men as they returned to their normal duties after capturing the fugitive. They did a great job, no one got hurt no one else died. People can complain to much money was spent but how much really? All those men are already on the books if they were not on Boston they would have been working some where else, so how much is to much? What if their was a larger cell of bombers? What if we didn't have resources in place and many more bombs went off? What if more terrorists popped up with guns and ambushed police officers across the city? What if like in Canada they were sabotaging infanstructure for a much larger disaster?
All and all my opinion is they did a great job, they showed the force our country has and the will of the people and the authorities to work together and protect our own.
Mike I can do whatever I want within my rights, I live in america. I know my rights. There are people wispering about how some of the searches went and not all of them went like you think. Maybe you watch too much TV and assume you know. I am not reading your wall of text past the first line. FYI
Police state was basically created with fear that the big bad terrorist was gonna get ya.
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Actually, a video on infowars.com proves the police didn't always ask permission, they forcibly searched homes.
Correct, not suggesting infowars was the best place to get news either, but there are some other places you can dig up some info and video as well. Mike probably assumes it was all on the up and up though. After all, we know that all cops are perfect and never break laws?
The problem is I don't think any law enforcement agency prepared for this type of emergency. It should be reviewed and we should learn how to do this better.
I agree with that, it is easy to judge after the fact, but that is what we should do. This manhunt shouldn't have had people giving up rights.
And yes, the guy as injured, he was more injured from the attempted suicide. But again, what happens if he slips away again and detonates another pressure cooker bomb or something worse? Then the police would be under such scrutiny for not doing enough.
Yes I am sure they would have taken heat for that if it happened again. Again though, giving up rights to find this man shouldn't be a option.
There is never a way to make everybody happy.
Also true. No doubt about that. I just firmly believe anyone, not even one person should have to give up rights to solve something like this. Shouldn't be a option. Soon as it is, it will become a easier option each time, before it wont even be a option any more and it will be the only way it's done. Watch.
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Brandt you should go to law school for a while and learn when and how authorities can in certain situations do as is needed and that includes warrantless searches etc. If you think this is something brand new in our society guess again things like this have been happening for as long as our Country has been in existence, yet we still have our constitutional rights.
Let me ask you this, if a man shoots and murders a policeman and he barges in to your home, when the cops come and barge in after him to capture him and hopefully save your life do you still say your rights were violated? Would you rather have the cops knock and ask you permission first lol
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Brandt you should go to law school for a while and learn when and how authorities can in certain situations do as is needed and that includes warrantless searches etc. If you think this is something brand new in our society guess again things like this have been happening for as long as our Country has been in existence, yet we still have our constitutional rights.
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Let me ask you this, if a man shoots and murders a policeman and he barges in to your home, when the cops come and barge in after him to capture him and hopefully save your life do you still say your rights were violated? Would you rather have the cops knock and ask you permission first lol
They can come in and collect his body, someone busted in my house they dead son. I don't need the cops for that.
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They can come in and collect his body, someone busted in my house they dead son. I don't need the cops for that.
until they take our guns...or ammo.
if this was Chicago or DC, the residents couldn't have easily protected themselves because they let their rights slip away.
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They can come in and collect his body, someone busted in my house they dead son. I don't need the cops for that.
until they take our guns...or ammo.
if this was Chicago or DC, the residents couldn't have easily protected themselves because they let their rights slip away.
I have enough rounds that if I was out of ammo, I wasn't going to make it anyway.
I have 1,000 rnds 3 ft from me right now.
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Right, but they are talking about using the licensing registry to create a national database, which makes it that much easier to confiscate...you know idiots like Finestein(sp) don't want people to own guns period.
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Read the bill, in it they propose for law that no registry can be created if violated perps can expect up to (I believe) 15 years might be higher. Not sure why you guys choose to believe everything the NRA is lying about but man please take the time and look at the actual legislation and decide if you think it is cool. I am all for back ground checks and I am also for making registries illegal, maybe not for the same reasons as yours but none the less it is a good thing.
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I am not for background checks in private sales. And The truth lies between what the NRA is saying, and what the politicians are saying...if you think Obama and the like are being honest, there is a big surprise coming.
Also, not one single law they are proposing would have stopped what happened in Boston or Newtown.
The fastest way to stop crime is to arm people...period. How many police stations get shot up? How many gun ranges get robbed? Last time I checked...zero, successfully anyway.
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Also, not one single law they are proposing would have stopped what happened in Boston or Newtown.
Uh yea I agree which is why I don't understand why it is even being discussed in this thread?
Yes Brad no one robs gun ranges for a reason but what about murders at gun ranges? Yes they do happen one recently an ex seal was gunned down, and not long before that a woman shot her own son in the back of the head at a gun range. I think it goes both ways.