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screen printing => General Screen Printing => Topic started by: royster13 on May 06, 2013, 03:03:21 PM
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http://techcrunch.com/2013/05/06/adobe-goes-all-in-with-subscription-based-creative-cloud-will-stop-selling-regular-cs-licenses-shrink-wrapped-boxes/ (http://techcrunch.com/2013/05/06/adobe-goes-all-in-with-subscription-based-creative-cloud-will-stop-selling-regular-cs-licenses-shrink-wrapped-boxes/)
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Not cool.
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I agree also not cool at all, I personally think there is just to much on the net, ppl are living there lives on the net already.
Darryl
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Bad idea. For me, I pretty much only use one program tho I have 3 or more. but I mostly use Photoshop. So, that cost will be much more for me. know I'm not the norm in the graphics design world, but that me. Is is the way of the future tho. So, maybe it will get better on cost or something. :-[
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One big advantage I see for adobe by doing this is it will eliminate pirated software to a certain degree.
Big disadvantage is people that cannot always access the net everytime they need to work with their software. Think about all the people around the world that already have a limited bandwith, its not a normal thing in the US but in Ireland they are limited no matter the type of net they have.
Me personally I always preferred paying for something out right one time and owning it, having another monthly bill is not cool. I am sure they will allow 6month or one year subscriptions but still that sucks.
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I'd wager and hope that this spurns serious competition. (no offense Corel users)
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In my business I do not care to deal with everyone that comes my way......Adobe has decided they only want part of the pie and are willing to lose some of their client base to do so.....As far as serious competition, Corel has had lots of chances to get "close" but they have not done so......It would take a tremendous amount of capital to put on a serious challenge to the suite of tools Adobe offers........
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for anybody who constantly uses their products and has to stay current due to the customer demands, this is not a bad move. Many ppl don't have the $1.5k to upgrade every two years (for full package) for multiple users (could amount to tens of thousands of dollars). So if you know you will be using the product for many years to come, this is not necessarily a bad deal.
We have one boxed version and one subscription. I paid something like $270 to upgrade to the latest version. It is the most basic version and it does what we need. The subscription version is $32 per month and gives us all the bells and whistles (we don't really need). It is nice to know we have all the features available to us and will not have to spend money on the upgrades.
there are issues though:
first, after paying all this money, the user owns nothing! While the amount spent to upgrade might be higher (in some cases) at the end of the day, we own something for all the money spent. With subscription, once done, there is nothing left.
second, for ppl using only one product, subscription does end up being more expensive. Same for the educational users. Most of us use Photoshop and Illustrator. Photoshop does not need any upgrading, it is pretty much infinitely backward compatible, while Illy is not. For somebody using Illy every now and then (like Dan) this is a bum deal!
pierre
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One big advantage I see for adobe by doing this is it will eliminate pirated software to a certain degree.
Well how it works is your software is run on your machine locally and Adobe checks in every 30days to get your money for using it.
It's impossible to run all apps to all subscribers online simultaneously. Plus a full blown dedicated workstation would be useless and everybody
can get cheap emachines to work with because memory and processing will be dictated by cloud servers.
Yea that cannot be there intentions. As long as it's running locally, it can be reversed.
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What happens to my third party plugins? Anybody know?
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For me, this sucks tremendously. I started on Illy 88 and PS 2.0, and I own 5 copies each. (3 at work, and 2 at home). I could go Corel Draw, but I think I'd rather learn another trade than use a PC, and Corel is too effin' cheap to port to Mac, so yeah, this really sucks. Can't wait to die...
Steve
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Steve I think this change may actually save the Mac versions of Adobe software.....As I understand it, with each new version of Adobe, they were increasing their market share of PC versus Mac versions....While "pros" like their Macs, so many folks were taking a DIY approach and were buying PC versions...
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Crazy. When I first read this I thought they were going to have all the software in the cloud, that probably would have sucked big time for more intensive work.
Well how it works is your software is run on your machine locally and Adobe checks in every 30days to get your money for using it.
That makes more sense. I think they are actually tapping into the market of part time users pirating and borrowing their software. Will it be tiered? i.e., can someone pay less monthly for fewer features? That would be a good move on their part.
I don't know, I think we could all easily run old versions for a long time. I still have copy of PS7 somewhere and honestly it has 95% of what I need for screen printing pre press. For drafting yes, the updates are nice but not 100% necessary. I guess $30/mo ain't all bad but we use so many SAAS apps that the monthly cost can get significant.
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Lots of discussion about this everywhere... lots of unhappy customers. Lots of people who are excited about it.
Seems to be the way of the future. Don't know how I feel about it yet... I like buying the disks, but I haven't had to re-install from the disks in ages and they sit at the bottom of a drawer.
But I want to be in control of when I upgrade, and I like having the old version around for a while as I adjust to the new version.
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I can see where Corel could make some tweaks win some hearts and market share.
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I can see where Corel could make some tweaks win some hearts and market share.
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Yeah some "tweaks"....like having a graphic design program available for use on macs, derrrrr.
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Corel had a version for the Mac that ran under OS 9. It was about $99 at the time, around 1999 or so. Came with a load of fonts that made it worth it and clip art that was okay. I had it. Might have opened it once or twice, but at the time everything I did was oriented around offset printing. I thought it might come in handy for the occasional .cdr file that a customer would send.
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Corel is canadian, I don't think mac's work up there. ;)
I have no idea why Corel doesn't do a MAC version. One time I sat down with a guy in development and told him what was missing, and he had the balls to disagree with me. I told him it needed to be a button or a flyout, not a stupid menu item that asks several questions. (find and replace was my biggest complaint). There is a difference between using software on a daily basis and developing new features....I think i know what I am talking about when I have a problem.
In that aspect Corel is VERY shortsighted. They could really own a bigger share of the market if they listened better.
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Put me down under the not likening it category. But there is not much I could do about it. When I open up Corel, I just stare blankly. Now, I usually stare blankly at the computer, but I at least I come up with something so it sounds like I was focusing. But Corel, I am just lost. I've been using Adobe since high school, it just makes sense.
Has it been confirmed that it runs locally on your machine or is that speculation? If it is not run locally it is a horrible idea. What happens when my connection goes down? That is great Amazon is up 100% but my local ISP is not. We were down for 3 days a few weeks ago, felt like we coulden't do anything. Now we were able to improvise and use paper(remember that) but if we weren't able to output films or do art for those 3 days I coulden't imagine that.
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Put me down under the not likening it category. But there is not much I could do about it. When I open up Corel, I just stare blankly. Now, I usually stare blankly at the computer, but I at least I come up with something so it sounds like I was focusing. But Corel, I am just lost. I've been using Adobe since high school, it just makes sense.
Has it been confirmed that it runs locally on your machine or is that speculation? If it is not run locally it is a horrible idea. What happens when my connection goes down? That is great Amazon is up 100% but my local ISP is not. We were down for 3 days a few weeks ago, felt like we coulden't do anything. Now we were able to improvise and use paper(remember that) but if we weren't able to output films or do art for those 3 days I coulden't imagine that.
everything runs locally. we were without internet when the storm hit east coast for a week and everything worked just fine. The program checks in every now and then, I don't think we even got any notices when we were off grid.
$30/month buys you access to ALL the software they make, that includes, video, web, photo, mobile and you name it. You download an installer and just click on what you want on your computer. When the upgrades are available, it lets you know and you can choose to upgrade or skip it. From what I've seen, there really is no difference (for all practical purposes).
pierre
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Corel Draw only does about 10% of what the Adobe Suite does so it is hardly a fair comparison.....If you can get by with Illustrator then no doubt Corel Draw will be an adequate replacement......But I use InDesign, Acrobat Pro, Dreamweaver, Premier Pro, Bridge, etc., etc.....
And the reason Corel does not have a Mac version is I doubt they could make any money at it.....Yes I am sure in the screen printing industry, Corel is well liked, however, in other graphic arts fields Corel is the "ugly step child"......
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Corel historically had issues in yielding files that worked well in the offset printing biz. As I recall there were postscript issues in particular, and in general the people who bought Corel (outside of screenprint artists) bought it because it was cheap and didn't know what they were doing when it came time to generate art for an offset print job. Microsoft "Publisher" is another thorn in the ass of the offset print biz.
I recently upgraded to CS6, but only the design standard version on disc this time since InDesign, Acrobat, Illustrator and PHotoshop are all I really use. One other plus with the whole "suite" concept is how well the programs integrate.
Speaking of Illustrator, the new "gradient on a path" feature is pretty cool in CS6.