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screen printing => Equipment => Topic started by: GraphicDisorder on May 08, 2013, 01:24:29 PM
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=FLAlmsnCmz4 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=FLAlmsnCmz4)
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These world records that M&R are setting are pretty cool, but how close to reality are they? You know, with a loader that works eight hours a day at this.
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Obviously far from reality but the novelty of it is pretty awesome. That thing would scare the crap out of me.
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really Stu...any world record is just that a world record...hell noone wears 150 shirts but there is a world record for it...
come on....
it is for fun and bragging rights.
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nah, my money is on lawson ;)
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how do you keep the ink from flying everywhere at that print and flood speed? I would guess the shirts come with a free splatter effect.
What is the record now? 1900 or something an hour?
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thats it? i thought it was going to be faster.... :-*
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We have world records for far dumber things and are obviously not reality day to day, I figured some of you's might have missed their post. Sorry for sharing. LOL
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I'd think they're going to break 2K this time, it was over 1900 last time.
As far as the loading thing goes--I could load at least twice as fast if some guy was holding up the next hem for me. Wasn't sure about that whole 'one person' speed record. ;D
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some of the world records out there are so dumb, this one at least is a production world record, probably a lot like "assembling the most amount of iPhones in a straight 36 hour shift"
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They have it running at 223dz a hour.... FYI.
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One thing people are missing is not only is it indexing and printing that fast there is also a pass port unloading same speed. Thats tho thirds of the equation, all that is missing is a machine to load that fast. I remember Rich talking about it once but the issue was how well the shirts are stacked. But imagine no loader, unloader nor even a catcher if you have a folder bagger.
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and all the FK up shirts you get if something goes wrong, automation is great and has its place, but some things still need that human touch.
Darryl
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The thing flies. I have a IIID also, but not souped up. To be honest, I don't care that my machine will cycle at amazing speeds, it's the other things about the press I love. Set ups are a freaking dream!!! That is, with this press in my system.
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That thing is friggin awesome! I take it the illuminated end caps on the print heads are print head controls, that would be super cool if they started having full control at all heads, even if just membrane buttons, but touch screens is pretty sick in an awesome way. My back would seize if I tried to load at that speed. If I'm running our DB at 40 DZ/H myself, I can hang for about 30 mins and then it's time for someone to jump in and help out. I can only imagine double that, then the way this thing is running, 6 times that, jeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeesh, pretty impressive that a machine that big can run solid and accurate at that speed, an I'm sure that's really the point of the whole record. They are beasts for sure. Cool vid! 8)
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That thing is friggin awesome! I take it the illuminated end caps on the print heads are print head controls, that would be super cool if they started having full control at all heads, even if just membrane buttons, but touch screens is pretty sick in an awesome way. My back would seize if I tried to load at that speed. If I'm running our DB at 40 DZ/H myself, I can hang for about 30 mins and then it's time for someone to jump in and help out. I can only imagine double that, then the way this thing is running, 6 times that, jeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeesh, pretty impressive that a machine that big can run solid and accurate at that speed, an I'm sure that's really the point of the whole record. They are beasts for sure. Cool vid! 8)
these world record runs are not just for speed. The press is a test bench for many,many things that eventually end up being used on standard production presses. This also allows us to accelerate wear on items used on the press for long term durability. After the run the press is returned to M&R and disassembled for inspection of all critical components . Afterward we slow the maximum speed down to something like 1600 per hour and place the presses into a high volume shop for long term testing. Both of the previous presses are running flawlessly in two different shops as a daily production machine .our current record is 1909. The current press is running @ 2800 per hour. Our goal is to exceed 2,000. Tomorrow ir Omar's test run to see how he can handle the new speed. Wish us luck!
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I've seen both record setting events and both M&R Print challenges.
Sorry I'm going to miss this one in London!
~Kitson
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Thanks for the info Rich! I wasn't trying to say the record was worthless necessarily, I just didn't write enough words to ask how it could translate to a better press. How far are we from an autoloader?
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They have one, it's called Omar. ;D
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Thanks for the info Rich! I wasn't trying to say the record was worthless necessarily, I just didn't write enough words to ask how it could translate to a better press. How far are we from an autoloader?
we have an auto loader. It is called the Visa. It has been ready for 8 years. The industry is not ready for it yet. The apparel manufacturers need to make a change to their packaging and that is the only hang up.
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Thanks for the info Rich! I wasn't trying to say the record was worthless necessarily, I just didn't write enough words to ask how it could translate to a better press. How far are we from an autoloader?
we have an auto loader. It is called the Visa. It has been ready for 8 years. The industry is not ready for it yet. The apparel manufacturers need to make a change to their packaging and that is the only hang up.
Do you have a link to said autoloader?
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You can see it on M&R's site, mrprint.com and look for the Passport.
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The Passport is the auto unloader, not the loader. ;)
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Correct. I misread. Sorry
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Thanks for the info Rich! I wasn't trying to say the record was worthless necessarily, I just didn't write enough words to ask how it could translate to a better press. How far are we from an autoloader?
we have an auto loader. It is called the Visa. It has been ready for 8 years. The industry is not ready for it yet. The apparel manufacturers need to make a change to their packaging and that is the only hang up.
Couldn't a shop stack shirts correctly for the loader?
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Couldn't a shop stack shirts correctly for the loader?
Yes, but it takes about as long as loading them.
M&R Visa auto loader:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9jH9pMJoGfo (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9jH9pMJoGfo)
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Ok that's pretty darn neat, but will it ever get in a real production shop? how much setup does it take, will I only need two people on the press now, great idea put still a bunch of questions to be ask, and is it worth the $$, how much are you going to save, I know Rich has been working on those questions to give answers to. I know if I had a very large production shop I would have a ton of questions, but my biggest one would be, and this is just not for this automation machine, but a few others....if machines are doing 50% of all the work who has money to buy the product, I know this question has been tossed around for years, but still a great idea Rich.
Darryl
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Thanks for the info Rich! I wasn't trying to say the record was worthless necessarily, I just didn't write enough words to ask how it could translate to a better press. How far are we from an autoloader?
we have an auto loader. It is called the Visa. It has been ready for 8 years. The industry is not ready for it yet. The apparel manufacturers need to make a change to their packaging and that is the only hang up.
Couldn't a shop stack shirts correctly for the loader?
Yes but by stacked right, Rich means stacked with the sleeves, neck seams and back side of the shirts removed. Well and a special bracket attached so the machine can pick them up.
I would love to see this thing. Unloaded not a big deal but to be able to grab a shirt off a pile??? I have a hard time some times.
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Thanks for the info Rich! I wasn't trying to say the record was worthless necessarily, I just didn't write enough words to ask how it could translate to a better press. How far are we from an autoloader?
we have an auto loader. It is called the Visa. It has been ready for 8 years. The industry is not ready for it yet. The apparel manufacturers need to make a change to their packaging and that is the only hang up.
Watch the video. The machine is basically a pick and place robot with a few little items to open the shirt and place it flat on a glued surface. Placement of the stacking is the only issue. Garbage in , garbage out comes to mind if initally placed improperly. In order for this to work the shirt stack coming out of the box would have to be pretty damn close to perfect. And there you have the problem. Getting the apparel manufacturers to change the way they pack shirts would take an act of God. Too many miles of conveyors in the world to handle the shirt box as it is!
Couldn't a shop stack shirts correctly for the loader?
Yes but by stacked right, Rich means stacked with the sleeves, neck seams and back side of the shirts removed. Well and a special bracket attached so the machine can pick them up.
I would love to see this thing. Unloaded not a big deal but to be able to grab a shirt off a pile??? I have a hard time some times.
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Good LORD that Challenger is blazing fast.
So the main issue with the Visa is it would take at least as much time to re-stack the shirts coming out of the box as it would to just have a human load the machine in the first place, correct?
However, if you have enough cheaper, less-skilled labor on hand than you do skilled press operators, this would (could?) be really handy in very high volume situations. Maybe.
Wouldn't work in our shop, we have too much screwy garment placement going on. Sleeves, sides, hips, over pockets, etc. Thin, stretchy shirts too. That thing would eat them for breakfast.
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Rich,
I have to say I am impressed. I really expected more of a machine. I don't see why this can't be used today. You just have to send the "loader" a 12 stack of shirts at a time. Its still one person needed but they could load 12 shirt stacks to the loader (straightening the stack) in no time as the loader keeps going doing all the real wear and tear stretching.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9jH9pMJoGfo (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9jH9pMJoGfo)
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Wow - if that thing could work and work across different brand machines, we would change your name to Richest. Let me know when it's available for real life production. Ill be in line.
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anybody else wet their pants watching that auto loader?
I didn't think Omar worked there anymore?....oh and Rich, Merle says hello....yes, that merle....
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anybody else wet their pants watching that auto loader?
I didn't think Omar worked there anymore?....oh and Rich, Merle says hello....yes, that merle....
he was gone for a while but is back. He was pretty quick yesterday. On his way home for physical training. Press kicked his
Butt this time!
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OK, Rich, Niki's request, an automatic shirt catcher to pull off the dryer belt and stack ;D She's says make on of those and you have a new best friend! lol
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The "Visa" is a brilliant Machine.
It could be a game changer, time will tell.
Really Cool!
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I hope it's cross platform. If not, maybe it's a call to "action" :-) for someone else to do it. Ready and waiting to fire my loader - ie, myself.
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OK, Rich, Niki's request, an automatic shirt catcher to pull off the dryer belt and stack ;D She's says make on of those and you have a new best friend! lol
we did. It was called the outback and it would stack two piles coming off the belt as well as count them. It never caught on so we discontinued it