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Artist => Works In Progress-art process => Topic started by: Dottonedan on May 20, 2013, 08:50:15 PM
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Basic Fire truck line art beginnings. Love me some Fire Department jobs.
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Nice and clean!
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Clean but why is the rear wheel towed out in the back. Sorry but I am a car guy and notice that stuff..... ;)
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Clean but why is the rear wheel towed out in the back. Sorry but I am a car guy and notice that stuff..... ;)
NOt sure what you mean by "towed out". Might just be the way the line art looks without shading. Shading gives more understanding to what's going on. It's pretty accurate fer as I can tell.
Now you got me looking at it again. ??? and is why we have this place to post up works in progress for feedback like this. So speak up. :D
Those circle lines are for guidance per say to the shape of the tire. Not to be identifying a circle tire, but more so for shading the lines follow into the rounded form. That far right side (crescent moon shape) for example is where it will show more of the (top of the tire) while the lines help me to follow the fold over of the tire for shadowing.
Follow my folds?
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I think that he is mostly referring to the rim giving the wheel the look of being turned slightly to the right, rather than a dead-on side view
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I think that he is mostly referring to the rim giving the wheel the look of being turned slightly to the right, rather than a dead-on side view
Yes you got it. The rim looks to far off center of the axle.
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Could be. I only draw whats in front of me. I might have miss placed or miss something on something.
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On a dead on side view you should not see the tread of the tire.
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I think that it's all about how close (or far) you perceive you are to the truck.
The farther out a person is looking at a flat object, everything should appear nearly equal as one dimensional and both wheels would look concentric.
As you get closer to an object distortion will naturally occur.
If I was standing say within 15 foot of that truck, surely I would not see the right inner part of the rear wheel, nor the left inner part of the front wheel. But then I would expect other differences. Much like a road going off in the distance where things gets smaller and smaller.
At the end of the day, what's the custy want?
BTW Dan, it looks nice, regardless of the wheels. More patience than I have.
Now if LeMorris was drawing this, I'd say anything goes on wheel placement. :D
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Clean but why is the rear wheel towed out in the back. Sorry but I am a car guy and notice that stuff..... ;)
4 wheel steering :)
That is the newest fire truck gizmo.
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some buses have it to make it around tight corners...might not be a bad idea for fire trucks.
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I forgot to mention, this customer sent in the photo with his masking on it to take out the background. You can sort of see a chop into the top of the tire as it reaches the right side bottom.
When you adjust the photo you can see more clearly that that top of tire should wrap around the whole right side more to complete the circle. Looks chopped off in the photo.
But I would say that yea, it is a straight on photo but not the tire. it doe show more of a degree being pitched out. As if the photographer took the back shot from standing closer to the right front (just off center) right and then took the shot of the front of the truck from more of a straight on view. I sometimes take two separate shots to get better detail if I can't get back far enough to get the whole truck into view at one time. So that might explain it.
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what you are seeing is shot taken with wide angle lense. At an extreme case it's called a fish-eye, in this shot the distortion is just enough to show the sided of both front and back wheels.
pierre
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The second elipse you're using to show the back of the tire is a tad large, that's all. THe perspective looks good, just reduce the size of the back of the tire so it doesn't look bulgey.
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Wow beat the guy up why don't you guys lol.
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I don't think that the responses are as critical as they may seem as first glance. The initial critical comment merely lead to a somewhat technical thread about what caused the slight distortion in perspective.
I am dead sure that everyone involved dug and appreciated the actual piece!
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Really tho wether it was tough or not. (and I don't really think it was that tough) but thats what this section is for. Feedback. It's to help someone at the starting point of a job to point out things that (I) for example) may not have seen. So this is really what we're here for. Kudo's are always welcome but educated critiques and suggestions are intended.
I don't think that as artist, we ever really get the full amount or "the type" of feedback we should get in this specific area. Everyone thinks or feels we are only looking to get praises and as most printers aren't artist, they feel it's better than they can do and might say, WOW, Looks great! Thats very cool, but yeah, this section is to receive feedback.
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Everyone relax, it was a joke.
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I can dig it. ;D
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(http://www.entertainmentearth.com/images/AUTOIMAGES/FU5001lg.jpg)
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I may be in the wrong area for this but what is the cost to do artwork like this? My other full time job is at a fire department and I may be needing some artwork done.
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Did I miss a dog pile on Dan!!!! nice job Dan, I remember the truck you did for it was dead on awesome.
Darryl
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Looks like rather accurately rendering the distortion from a wide angle lens. Not Dans fault the lens can't see right. ;D
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Why do people get their panties in an uproar when someone post something for a critique? It is not like I said the drawing sucks and my six year old could do better. The line art is great and he did a very good job. I pointed out that the perspective of the wheel looks off. It is no big deal. I would expect plenty of critiques if I posted up something I did. That is the whole reason for posting it up. To have more sets of eyes look at it. It is not a bash Dan/ defend Dan post.
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JBlue!!!!your awful, a jealous person, bad to the bone for picking on Dan's art...just joking, I agree it's good to have more eyes on art, I need to post all my art to help me catch mistakes and spelling errors LOL
Darryl
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I may be in the wrong area for this but what is the cost to do artwork like this? My other full time job is at a fire department and I may be needing some artwork done.
Well, it's hard to say. It depends on how much you want out of it.
Basic vector or raster Truck (line) drawings of a detailed nature might be in the range of $100.00 (of a single vehicle) and then then you do whatever you want to it to make a full design.
At the other end of the price spectrum is $450-700.00 This is for art that is full color (sim process) approximately 6-8 colors or whatever fits your press... with separations included.
The $400.00-$450 range would be for one truck and basic design including seps. The higher $500-$700 would be for multiple vehicles + design (and seps included).
Print instructions/suggestions included.
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Why do people get their panties in an uproar when someone post something for a critique? It is not like I said the drawing sucks and my six year old could do better. The line art is great and he did a very good job. I pointed out that the perspective of the wheel looks off. It is no big deal. I would expect plenty of critiques if I posted up something I did. That is the whole reason for posting it up. To have more sets of eyes look at it. It is not a bash Dan/ defend Dan post.
I really don't think that anyone actually considered your post or Brents post as negative. They were simply ribb'n ya. Kinda like if they were in front of you and said what they said, you might not have even gave it a 2nd thought. It's that whole "typed out" thing. Words on screen or paper don't come with personality and a smile or playful bow to the rib with it. Make sit hard to grasp the full picture sometimes.
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I blame the photographer... me. The photo was taken with my quite antique Kodak digital camera. No tri pod or special lens. I tried to get a straight on side view but missed a little. The other area that was distorted was the emergency lights on top of the cab. Dan fixed that area. I removed the background because the truck was parked in front a red building. The Truck was just retired and the tires where almost flat. What i did was round the tires off add fill with black. The customer and i love it and i already got paid. Not sure if it is even going to be used. The job was turned around in 24 hours.
Peter
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HA! I thought I recognized the Broadway name. ;) Glad it went well. Thats the important thing. I myself never even caught the difference on the back tire. I was just trying to get it done. LOL.
That is why tho, it's a good thing to have others review your work to catch things you're (I'm) overlooking. This one got out the door tho. So no looking back...unless (they) come back and want it changed. :)
Thanks all, for the feedback.
Dan
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I may be in the wrong area for this but what is the cost to do artwork like this? My other full time job is at a fire department and I may be needing some artwork done.
Well, it's hard to say. It depends on how much you want out of it.
Basic vector or raster Truck (line) drawings of a detailed nature might be in the range of $100.00 (of a single vehicle) and then then you do whatever you want to it to make a full design.
At the other end of the price spectrum is $450-700.00 This is for art that is full color (sim process) approximately 6-8 colors or whatever fits your press... with separations included.
The $400.00-$450 range would be for one truck and basic design including seps. The higher $500-$700 would be for multiple vehicles + design (and seps included).
Print instructions/suggestions included.
Thanks for the response on this. The pricing is very reasonable.