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screen printing => Ink and Chemicals => Topic started by: ericheartsu on June 24, 2013, 02:00:45 PM
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After talking to a friend today about Chemistry i'm wondering what i should try. Right now i'm using Bean-e-doo for plastisol, Air dry cleaner for my flatstock stuff (acrylic/uv), CCI enviroline for discharge/waterbased ink, CCI liquid renuit, Franmar degreaser, and CCI Genzyme for emulsion remover.
What else should i try for plastisol inks, dehazing, and degreasing?
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We have been moving into Saati chems.
We are using CCI micro wash 2 in the dip tank but as soon as it dies trying the Saati ER2.
Ink remover and degreaser is Saati IR 18. Much more friendly then the Bob's we have been using.
The PW4 on press color changes and cleaning screens.
So far very happy with it.
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I buy Franmar stuff, bean-e-do, onestep, ickee-stickee unstuck. The only thing I am using that isn't Franmar is Simple Green, only because I can buy that just about anywhere.
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Gemzyne rules in the dip tank, works very well and lasts forever. Emulsion stripper is easy- just find the best deal on the highest concentration of sodium periodate and dilute to taste. Word is that a liquid concentrate is actually more cost efficient and I found that to be true when comparing all the various strippers and pricing.
We like CCI's Envirosolve for ink removal- works well for us on plastisol and wb. Very affordable by the 5gal. The water based nature of it is a little wasteful since it runs off very quickly but if it works in a recirc that could solve that minor issue. Not sure if it can be recirculated though since it tends to suds up.
For on press changes of plastisol we use Franmar Color Change and then just water and a little simple green where needed for WB.
For dehaze I really prefer Franmar d-haze gel as it's the only gel formula I can find. I don't like dehazer running around (it's not cheap so no need to waste it) and getting at the frame tape and gumming it up.
We use a standalone degreaser and CCI's enviro degreaser has been doing fine for us- smells like candy.
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Xenon Plastiwash, XER 25, F.S.I.C., Degreaser
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we just switched over to CCI micro wash for the tank, took less chems and works better than what we were using in the past, in the past we had, supra by easy way, then went to one step clear by franmar, then for a few years had SPA solution which is re-labled kor-kem one step. The mirco wash was cheaper than all the rest and took less, we will see how long we can push it, but so far my reclaim guy loves it. Also switched to CCI inkwash 107. It's stronger than easy way 701, half the cost as well. Leaves no residue, we still over kill and use CCI nutralize at the very end of each screen's process and never have fisheye issues. We've been very please with CCI. The only non CCI chem we are using right now is Franmar beenie doo for the actual ink degradant. It's awesome, even in parts washer instead of mineral spirits, does wonders on liquifying plastisol, and eco friendly being soybean oil, great low cost stuff.
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We have been moving into Saati chems.
We are using CCI micro wash 2 in the dip tank but as soon as it dies trying the Saati ER2.
Ink remover and degreaser is Saati IR 18. Much more friendly then the Bob's we have been using.
The PW4 on press color changes and cleaning screens.
So far very happy with it.
If anyone wants to try the Saati chemicals just send me a PM or call or even text 404-583-4903
Spot Color Supply
Scott Thompson
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Try the CCI IW-107 for plastisol ink remover, dehazer and degreaser combo
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Try the CCI IW-107 for plastisol ink remover, dehazer and degreaser combo
SenorpepperHead, what is the best stain remover that does not damage the mesh?
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We have been moving into Saati chems.
We are using CCI micro wash 2 in the dip tank but as soon as it dies trying the Saati ER2.
Ink remover and degreaser is Saati IR 18. Much more friendly then the Bob's we have been using.
The PW4 on press color changes and cleaning screens.
So far very happy with it.
Brian,
Glad to hear you are having good results with the products we demonstrated at PROScreen workshop in April.
~Kitson
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We've been using ICC chemicals for a few years now been great price just keeps jumping up.
Darryl
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We've been using ICC chemicals for a few years now been great price just keeps jumping up.
Darryl
I was thinking the same thing a couple years ago--then I wasted a bunch of time trying to find something better for the same price, now I'm right back to 936/937. I guess if it always works great maybe it's worth a few extra bucks...
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Easiway all the way.
I just use Color Change from Franmar.
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I've been using the ICC 931 for ink and 937 for emulsion, buying in bulk hurts the wallet, but in the long run it last longer.
Darryl
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We've been using ICC chemicals for a few years now been great price just keeps jumping up.
Darryl
I was thinking the same thing a couple years ago--then I wasted a bunch of time trying to find something better for the same price, now I'm right back to 936/937. I guess if it always works great maybe it's worth a few extra bucks...
We've been using ICC screen chemicals for a long, long time. On press, the Spray & Wipe that dries quickly works great. Has a large load factor, can be very economical.
Steve
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CCI IW107= $114 for 5 gals, Easyway 701 $230 for 5 gals, CCI's is stronger, does a better dehaze and degrease job, easily removes any glues ect, does not harm ridged frame glue if you use ridgeds, and is half the price, kind of a no brainer after we tried it vs 701 or korkem.
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Try the CCI IW-107 for plastisol ink remover, dehazer and degreaser combo
SenorpepperHead, what is the best stain remover that does not damage the mesh?
CCI's LSR-20 if you have a little time to wait on it. It takes a little extra time to work but the results are exceptional. While the product is dwelling you can do other stuff and then come back with no worries.
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Try the CCI IW-107 for plastisol ink remover, dehazer and degreaser combo
SenorpepperHead, what is the best stain remover that does not damage the mesh?
CCI's LSR-20 if you have a little time to wait on it. It takes a little extra time to work but the results are exceptional. While the product is dwelling you can do other stuff and then come back with no worries.
I assume you mean LSR-30. No LSR-20 on the CCI website if I`m not mistaken. And the LSR-3o is mesh safe?
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LSR-20 used to eat the mesh over time, I think they have improved the formula to make it mesh safe. But it will remove the worse stains possible. Expensive and ships hazardous or at least it used to. I think LSR-30 does as well.
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They used to have LSR-10, LSR-20, and LSR-30.
Wouldn't let it near high mesh myself, although as just pointed out, it will take ANYTHING off mesh. Including mesh.
Is LSR-20 a different formulation? IIRC, the LSR-30 is a degreaser and sodium hydroxide product...
Might have been mistaken into thinking the Renuit was their walk-away HR.
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They used to have LSR-10, LSR-20, and LSR-30.
Wouldn't let it near high mesh myself, although as just pointed out, it will take ANYTHING off mesh. Including mesh.
Is LSR-20 a different formulation? IIRC, the LSR-30 is a degreaser and sodium hydroxide product...
Might have been mistaken into thinking the Renuit was their walk-away HR.
Back when I worked on the supply side any of the LSR's were not mesh safe, all shipped hazardous. When they introduced Re Nuit it was the walk away non hazard ship option. Reading CCI's web site recently they claim all the LSR's can dry on the screen because of mesh safe formula, definitely new but it still ships hazardous. None of them compare to GB200 that stuff can remove tattoos.
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In the past, I have read re nuit was the way to go and was about to dig up the info because my guy is getting frustrated with some haze and we only really us s mesh... So he's very cautious of what he puts on it. Right now I think we either only use 701 or he might have a franmar product... Either way it's not enough and he wants something better.
Is Re Nuit safe for delicate mesh? We only use natural sea sponges on our mesh to "agitate" the chemicals... Maybe over kill but it's what Allan Buffington suggested and we haven't busted any mesh since!
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Sea sponge is overkill although we do use them for initial degreasing on new mesh, seems to help "squish" the degreaser in better to remove the handling conditioners on the mesh. Red scotchbrite is fine on S mesh.
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Sea sponge is overkill although we do use them for initial degreasing on new mesh, seems to help "squish" the degreaser in better to remove the handling conditioners on the mesh. Red scotchbrite is fine on S mesh.
We were using these:
(http://www.spsionline.com/webimage/screenprinting/supplies/Blue-Scrub-Brush.jpg)
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I think the blue might be a little too punchy for mesh. We use red but have also used the more gentle white. I'm assuming color coding is the same across brands of scrubbies here though.
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Hmm. I'll have to see if I can find them... But my guy isn't complaining.
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I like sponges for high mesh. Problem with scrubbies: Poly brush, poly mesh. Which one is tougher?
If the red or white ones are actually softer I may have to look back into them...
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I know the white scotchies are what are used on the finer tableware at restaurants so it's probably soft enough. I like the muscle of the red ones.
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The lighter the color of the brush pad the less abrasive the pad is, and the darker the pad the more abrasive it is. I am pretty sure everyone who makes brushes follows this standard code.
The order:
White
Red
Blue
Black