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Computers and Software => Raster and Vector Manipulation Programs, and How to Do Stuff in Them. => Topic started by: inkman996 on June 25, 2013, 03:36:09 PM
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First screen shot, yep the infamous greyed out spinning cursor. About a half hour of work and file has been saved repeatedly. OK no biggie I just end the process and reboot Corel and reopen the file. Happens a dozen times a day. But once in a blue moon I reopen the file and I get the second screen shot. Yep blank zilch nadda all freaking gone. Something tells me this doesn't happen in Illustrator.
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While I keep current in both Corel Draw and Adobe Illustrator, Corel Draw has not been my program of choice since 8.0.....
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As an avid Illy user, I need to point out that you've just cursed yourself. The inexplicable does happen there too...
Steve
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I get that alot on corelx6 64bit
what is crazy is I do full dye jerseys which are very large files. and the factory which print the bulk fabric uses illustrator to output. So I have to save as a pdf then open in ai and re-save. Now this was not an issue just inconvenience. Then I switched from x4 to x6 and not when I do the same thing with all of the pdf setting the same in each program(same corel workspace). the color from x6 come out not as a whole cmyk number (84-0-50-100) but rather as (84.5-0-55.2-98.8) just a small shift in the valuse to a decimal point but it makes a huge difference in the actuall color. and to save it as an AI file from corel well forget that it is way to large of a file few 100 meg. so now I have to back save as a x4 then open and save as a pdf and go from there.
what a time i had figuring this crap out.
But i love corel compared to AI because I do not have any more time in the day to learn AI.
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I am religious about saving as I work. I hit the save button every few minutes. 90% of the time when a crash happens I can just reopen the file. But occasionally the whole file will be corrupted like above, it sucks. I do not use the create save feature because it is known for also causing crashes, when you perform a function that may be complex and the auto save kicks in it will compete and freeze up. I know certain functions that tend to cause Corel to hang, I always save first especially anything with more than one node (joke kind of). It is the one and only thing I have wished from Corel for the last 6 or 7 years and that is tighten it up under the hood. It cannot handle nodes any where near as easily as Illustrator and it crashes for the most unexplainable reasons.
I am taking Illustrator classes but its still so damn hard for me to get used to and I am probably not going to pursue Illustrator since they will be subscription based.
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do you have it create an autobackup when you save? that has saved us many a time, like today
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I was putting the finishing touches on a design I had sep'd with simple seps raster the other day, last adjustment on the last color and boom. gone. X6 closed. i was taking it as a sign that I need to send the design out, so I sent it to netseps on friday, it's not even looked at yet and I need to run the job tomorrow...so now I have to start over...
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It's happened every once in a blue moon in Illy, but that's it.
If I had it happen all the time I would shoot the computer.
Every job I send to myseps is back within 24 hours, never fail.
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On one of my computers Illy and Photoshop don't play well together if open at the same time, don't know why, they use to work fine, must have been something I did, but you won't crash like Corel does as often...but it happens
Darryl
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I am religious about saving as I work. I hit the save button every few minutes.
Being an IT grunt, I would suggest you always do "SAVE AS" and keep bumping a suffix number. You can always delete the old suffixes later, right?
Hey, maybe you even want to revert back to an earlier save version to go off in a different direction.
P.S. I do the same thing in P.S. ;)
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I agree that Draw crashed more than Illustrator when I used them both, but it's been years since I've used Draw... but that's beside the point. Neither program should crash THAT much.
Something tells me the problem is elsewhere on your computer. A bad font or plug-in perhaps. Try uninstalling and re-installing, maybe?
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My Corel locks up daily...Personally, I lay the blame on the fact that I have Corel loaded on a PC....Macs are just plain better. Before I had the opportunity to work on one, I would ask those fortunate few non-PC users that I would encounter, why Apple equipment is considered to be better. Nobody could ever give me anything definitive. Having now been on "both sides of the fence", the analogy I use is one possibly more familiar to "gearheads"...If you want your car to be faster, you yank the old straight six, and put a Chevy V-8 in it...If you want it to be fast AND smooth, one should go with a Cadillac V-8. (Now, let's hear from the "Blue Oval boys") LOL!
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Illy is not perfect either and especially when the CS6 came out it was pretty buggy, but nowhere near what is being said about Corel. I think Illy crashes once a month on my system now. . .
pierre
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Macs are just plain better
Nope I disagree. Most PC are comparable to Sub-compact cars. They are built on price and that's it. Get a decent PC and they crash MUCH less...almost never. Since switching to thinkstations, we have virtually no problems with system crashes. I would say I have the most, but I also run the most on my system, hands down. I really shouldn't run so much, but I have a hard time closing programs, it's just in my DNA
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Macs are just plain better
Nope I disagree. Most PC are comparable to Sub-compact cars. They are built on price and that's it. Get a decent PC and they crash MUCH less...almost never. Since switching to thinkstations, we have virtually no problems with system crashes. I would say I have the most, but I also run the most on my system, hands down. I really shouldn't run so much, but I have a hard time closing programs, it's just in my DNA
I agree people often compare a 2k mac to a $600 PC and wonder why one runs better? Its all about the parts inside of them folks. PC's are VERY stable when built right. If you run out to best buy and buy a pc then ya you got some crashes coming. Good luck with that.
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Illy is not perfect either and especially when the CS6 came out it was pretty buggy, but nowhere near what is being said about Corel. I think Illy crashes once a month on my system now. . .
pierre
I think that the key phrase here might be "on my system".
I think that these programs, and some of our files can outpace many of our systems.
Oh, I see that mkI62 and GD were making similar points while I was typing,.
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Brad as I said I do not use auto save, it is recommended to not use it since it can crash corel and is known to cause corrupted files. I prefer to do it myself and often.
My Corel is on a MAC via Fusion, there is a noticeable stability boost but only slightly.
I think people get PC confused with Microsoft Windows. It is Windows that can blow even if you built a 5K machine. Sure there is crappy PC's at Walmart that are next to useless especially with Windows loaded on it with all its bloat.
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I don't use autosave either, i guess I didn't explain it. there are 2 different things, 1 is autobackup the other is a "make backup on save" that is what really helps.
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I go to a computer shop now and have my PC built for what I need for my graphics programs, I will agree with Brandt that buying a PC straight out the store your looking for crashes.. its going to be loaded with all kinds of junk you don't need, cuz they are making them internet ready, gaming etc.
Darryl
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I don't know man, I've seen a lot of jacked up 'custom' PC's in my day. Of course, I bought a 'retail' computer years ago that turned out to be nothing but an AC smoke bomb. My point is, you're damned if you do, damned if you don't. Pick one already. ;D
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yup, I did pick one....a thinkstation.
frog is dead on, there shouldn't be a $600 piece of equipment that can really compare to a $3,000 one.
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I go to a computer shop now and have my PC built for what I need for my graphics programs, I will agree with Brandt that buying a PC straight out the store your looking for crashes.. its going to be loaded with all kinds of junk you don't need, cuz they are making them internet ready, gaming etc.
Darryl
I used to build and sell computers for living. Exactly the type you are talking about. I knew (while I was doing it) almost all of the vendors in the eastern US that were on that circuit (trade show) and not one of them had the trouble free computers. In part because they were too much of salesmen and not enough of computer geeks, in part because they were trying to make money, in part because they did not have the resources, so with few exceptions, white boxes bought at computer stores or shows (even the high end ones) were less reliable than the similar computers built by the big companies. One of the reasons I really like the Thinkstations is that they are $2k-$4k computers. While they might do better or worse than the other computers in that price range, the beautiful thing is the are available on used and open bos market for $500-$800. That's a fraction of the price and they still come with warranty (90 days to a year), in some cases full manufacturer's support too!
pierre
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Back when they made it, Mac Corel Draw crashed more than it did on PCs. Still, it didn't crash daily.
The hardware is the same... there's no difference between the RAM, hard drives and processors... none of that is made by Apple, Dell, Alienware, etc. The difference is mostly in the operating systems. There's some interior architecture that differs, but the guts of a PC are basically the same as a Mac.
A healthy system running either platform should run software without crashing all the time.
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Back when they made it, Mac Corel Draw crashed more than it did on PCs. Still, it didn't crash daily.
The hardware is the same... there's no difference between the RAM, hard drives and processors... none of that is made by Apple, Dell, Alienware, etc. The difference is mostly in the operating systems. There's some interior architecture that differs, but the guts of a PC are basically the same as a Mac.
A healthy system running either platform should run software without crashing all the time.
I agree that the components are almost the same, but there is a difference. Generic video cards can be had with nVidia chips on them and they will not be as reliable as the brand name type (in general). The issue for the most part (from my experience) is not in the individual part as they are all tested up to wazoo, but rather in how those parts interact together. This is the advantage of the Mac and workstation in my opinion. All of the hardware in those units is tested to ensure the utmost compatibility. And if some issue does come up, you can go to the manufacturer's website and download the fix rather than trying to figure out what is going on.
pierre
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Back when they made it, Mac Corel Draw crashed more than it did on PCs. Still, it didn't crash daily.
The hardware is the same... there's no difference between the RAM, hard drives and processors... none of that is made by Apple, Dell, Alienware, etc. The difference is mostly in the operating systems. There's some interior architecture that differs, but the guts of a PC are basically the same as a Mac.
A healthy system running either platform should run software without crashing all the time.
I agree that the components are almost the same, but there is a difference. Generic video cards can be had with nVidia chips on them and they will not be as reliable as the brand name type (in general). The issue for the most part (from my experience) is not in the individual part as they are all tested up to wazoo, but rather in how those parts interact together. This is the advantage of the Mac and workstation in my opinion. All of the hardware in those units is tested to ensure the utmost compatibility. And if some issue does come up, you can go to the manufacturer's website and download the fix rather than trying to figure out what is going on.
pierre
Right... that's what I meant by "interior architecture," the interact together part. I also agree that you can pretty much count on a Mac being put together well... I prefer to pay extra to have an Apple box as it comes off the shelf, rather than me or someone else put together a custom PC hot rod .
But, I've had many hardware problems with Macs, they're not perfect. They do tend to last longer, but hardware reliability isn't the reason I go with Apple. I think their OS is better, more stable, faster and more intuitive... Look at Windows after every update, they keep trying to make it more like OSX. Sometimes it just doesn't work... this last one, Windows 8, is like Vista. Released way before it was fully ready.
At any rate, my original point was, Mac or PC, if software crashes daily, there's probably a problem elsewhere in the system, not necessarily with the app that keeps crashing. That can be a hardware issue like a bad RAM card, or a software issue like a corrupt font... or a corrupt component within the app that a re-install might cure.
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I go to a computer shop now and have my PC built for what I need for my graphics programs, I will agree with Brandt that buying a PC straight out the store your looking for crashes.. its going to be loaded with all kinds of junk you don't need, cuz they are making them internet ready, gaming etc.
Darryl
I used to build and sell computers for living. Exactly the type you are talking about. I knew (while I was doing it) almost all of the vendors in the eastern US that were on that circuit (trade show) and not one of them had the trouble free computers. In part because they were too much of salesmen and not enough of computer geeks, in part because they were trying to make money, in part because they did not have the resources, so with few exceptions, white boxes bought at computer stores or shows (even the high end ones) were less reliable than the similar computers built by the big companies. One of the reasons I really like the Thinkstations is that they are $2k-$4k computers. While they might do better or worse than the other computers in that price range, the beautiful thing is the are available on used and open bos market for $500-$800. That's a fraction of the price and they still come with warranty (90 days to a year), in some cases full manufacturer's support too!
pierre
...this is the route I went last year. Pierre even took the time for a phone call with me, several IM's, looked up some additional RAM and sent me a link. Couldn't be happier now (although my X4 crashes once in awhile too, mostly during a large trace).
...Pierre, I don't think I ever said thanks for all the help, man....so THANKS!!
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But, I've had many hardware problems with Macs, they're not perfect. They do tend to last longer, but hardware reliability isn't the reason I go with Apple. I think their OS is better, more stable, faster and more intuitive... Look at Windows after every update, they keep trying to make it more like OSX. Sometimes it just doesn't work... this last one, Windows 8, is like Vista. Released way before it was fully ready.
I agree with you on the potential of being more stable, faster, and more intuitive as far as the OS goes. But the funny thing about this is, Apple just stole the core OS--the linux kernel--when they released OSX. They're really only putting a lot of work into their window manager, but if you look at something like Enlightenment, they had great desktop features ten years ago that still aren't implemented by either 'big' OS. Of course, really their WM and desktop is just to keep people from 'stealing' THEIR software. ::)