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screen printing => Equipment => Topic started by: dirkdiggler on June 28, 2013, 12:02:04 PM
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2139 in one hour!
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That's like 1 minute on the Coke bottling line. I am not impressed! ;)
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Lo,, that's just about 8 times faster than we run :D
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More than we've run all week :P congrats Rich!
Darryl
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More than we've run all week :P congrats Rich!
Darryl
He'll Darryl, we probably do that a quarter! LOL
Great perspective!
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Only if we could all run them that fast for 8 hours a day and have enough work to do that all the time.
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Meh
Just Kidding, that's impressive, I don't care who you are. To maintain that speed for an hour is pretty incredible. With someone helping me load (opening the shirts for me) I couldn't even get up to 1800/hr much less maintain it for an entire freaking hour. With help loading doing 1000/hr on our auto is really easy but they just did double that.
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Anyone have that guys number? I got a $8/hr job waiting for him! ;D
Heck, he can even slack off a bit our press maxes out around 1300/hr :P
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Video? Closest guess?
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Anyone have that guys number? I got a $8/hr job waiting for him! ;D
LOL....
Congrates everyone at M&R..... Can't wait for the video.
I would love to see the VISA and Passport for the next challenge.
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he or she need to be in the next Olympic games
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The faster the equipment goes, the lower prices will be driven......
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The faster the equipment goes, the lower prices will be driven......
Words of wisdom!
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The faster the equipment goes, the lower prices will be driven......
Words of wisdom!
Pretty Cool! I guess its good for bragging rites. I am sure it sold a bunch of pints at all the pubs
in London. Reminds me of the Coney Island Hot Dog champion who eats 150 dogs in an hour.
Wow! You could say its good for R&D. Good for the antacid guys, not real sure what it does for the
screen print guys. The reality is 20 years ago, tons of shops in the USA were printing 600 shirts an
hour, per press all day long, and some around the clock. Today in most , not all, shops that I visit have the
numbers coming off the presses today, they don't even come close to the numbers 20,10,5 years ago. The
amount of ink sales is a fraction today as well. The BOTTLENECK in screen printing today is the same as
it was 20 years ago. PREPRESS, SETUPS, are more of a problem than my press cycling less than 1000 an hour.
But most don't like to look at logic or numbers! Because reality can be a blessing, or a BIG slap in the face
wakeup call. I guess some of you can go after Walmart now, and make up the losses in volume. I think it still
works out that way doesn't it? It could be good for sales to Bangladesh, since the workers have gotten a dollar
an hour raise from $37 to $38 per month! Woww.. Walmart,Nikes,and the like can now EXPECT more units
per hour, so that should translate to even LOWER cost for our shirts. The screen print industry is on the decline.
I would be happy to see LAST YEARS technology at lower prices. I would like to see more energy in faster, cheaper screen making, prepress and post press, screen press setups. Then and only then, will we have a
chanch to print 600 shirts an hour, all day long, everyday. Hard to do, with smaller runs, more setups! So it
is really cool for bragging rites, KUDOS! I am just not sure, how this helps printers here, in the good ole USA
put, and keep more money in their pockets. I think most could use a few more "greenbacks" and let the
"attaboys" take care of themselves.
winston
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The faster the equipment goes, the lower prices will be driven......
Words of wisdom!
Pretty Cool! I guess its good for bragging rites. I am sure it sold a bunch of pints at all the pubs
in London. Reminds me of the Coney Island Hot Dog champion who eats 150 dogs in an hour.
Wow! You could say its good for R&D. Good for the antacid guys, not real sure what it does for the
screen print guys. The reality is 20 years ago, tons of shops in the USA were printing 600 shirts an
hour, per press all day long, and some around the clock. Today in most , not all, shops that I visit have the
numbers coming off the presses today, they don't even come close to the numbers 20,10,5 years ago. The
amount of ink sales is a fraction today as well. The BOTTLENECK in screen printing today is the same as
it was 20 years ago. PREPRESS, SETUPS, are more of a problem than my press cycling less than 1000 an hour.
But most don't like to look at logic or numbers! Because reality can be a blessing, or a BIG slap in the face
wakeup call. I guess some of you can go after Walmart now, and make up the losses in volume. I think it still
works out that way doesn't it? It could be good for sales to Bangladesh, since the workers have gotten a dollar
an hour raise from $37 to $38 per month! Woww.. Walmart,Nikes,and the like can now EXPECT more units
per hour, so that should translate to even LOWER cost for our shirts. The screen print industry is on the decline.
I would be happy to see LAST YEARS technology at lower prices. I would like to see more energy in faster, cheaper screen making, prepress and post press, screen press setups. Then and only then, will we have a
chanch to print 600 shirts an hour, all day long, everyday. Hard to do, with smaller runs, more setups! So it
is really cool for bragging rites, KUDOS! I am just not sure, how this helps printers here, in the good ole USA
put, and keep more money in their pockets. I think most could use a few more "greenbacks" and let the
"attaboys" take care of themselves.
winston
dont know who you are visiting that is not taking care of prepress but I can assure you there are thousands doing it the right way. Winston I don't remember the last time we used micro register on a press at a show for other than demonstration purposes. Do prepress right( and the tools are available) and extremely quick setups are possible. On this site alone there are quite a few doing it right. Look up the post from Dan Zmuda at Castle for reference.
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The screen print industry is on the decline.
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I don't know about that. My business and all the other shops I am friends with keep expanding with equipment and employees. From coast to coast and overseas things seem to be chugging along. If you are slow you might need to take a look at things to see what's wrong.
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I think I messed up on my quoting. Whoops :o
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Congrats to 244 and his team (aka M&R)! We should all be inspired to push ourselves to new limits. I know I am!
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I know when we started we were trying to line up by eye. Bought our first M&R and Tri-loc and used micros a little...bought a direct to screen and now rarely use micros. so I find that if you have the right tools you will produce faster.
so congrats to M&R and their team!
thanks for making me more profitable!
sam
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I know when we started we were trying to line up by eye. Bought our first M&R and Tri-loc and used micros a little...bought a direct to screen and now rarely use micros. so I find that if you have the right tools you will produce faster.
so congrats to M&R and their team!
thanks for making me more profitable!
sam
Thanks Sam!
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Pushing for world records means pushing the limits of the technology, and while none of us will be producing at 2000+pcs. per hour, many of us will likely see improvements trickle down from technology derived to make those numbers possible, even if it's just improved durability in design.
Just like nobody drives to work at 200+mph, but enjoy many of the advancements in safety and design in our daily drivers that have been derived from the push for speed on the track.
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Pushing for world records means pushing the limits of the technology, and while none of us will be producing at 2000+pcs. per hour, many of us will likely see improvements trickle down from technology derived to make those numbers possible, even if it's just improved durability in design.
Just like nobody drives to work at 200+mph, but enjoy many of the advancements in safety and design in our daily drivers that have been derived from the push for speed on the track.
Bingo! You nailed it right on the head!
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i agree, but still there will be a ton of shops that won't take advantage of new technology. i agree with winston, so many shops are not using prepress properly it's crazy. I have yet to hire an employee with experience that has used a tri-lock or anything like it. that's scary.
There is a big shop down here that doesn't use it, i think they have between 6 and 8 autos. The screen guys don't want to mess with it. I would make them or show them the door. They sometimes add a second shift in the busy season too. They should be able to cut that out and cut down at least a press or two. They would save so much money, they just have no clue.
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I don't care about world print records, but I sure would love to fit a trilock on my Anatol press..I can eye ball and register, but dam just think how much time I could save if the tri lock would fit...setting up a six color job in 5 mintues and printing I'm happy with that.
Darryl
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Pre press I something I have been working on continuously to get dialed in to get quicker and better. The way I look at it is any job under 96 pieces you make your money on pre press and set up not printing. If it takes 30-40 min to set up a 3 color job for 48 pieces you are starting to loose money by the time you start to print.
Congrats to M&R, that is an impressive number.
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Pushing for world records means pushing the limits of the technology, and while none of us will be producing at 2000+pcs. per hour, many of us will likely see improvements trickle down from technology derived to make those numbers possible, even if it's just improved durability in design.
Just like nobody drives to work at 200+mph, but enjoy many of the advancements in safety and design in our daily drivers that have been derived from the push for speed on the track.
Why did the USA go to the moon? Prestige, National Pride, etc. But you and I still benefit everyday from the huge tech developments from the Apollo program.
WD-40, Velcro, computer power, food preservation techniques, remote medical data monitoring & collection, satellites of all kinds, GPS and data management all have their history solidly in "OUR' quest to go to the moon.
Think what else we would 'need' to develop to, " Go where no one has gone before!".
Pity we have lost the foresight and the balls to make the effort.
~Kitson
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sorry greg, Velcro was around well before the moon program. ;)
but yes greg, your point is well made...even if for nothing else other than making a more durable press/indexing system. Of course presses could spin at 5,000 units per hour, but keeping them fed would be a whole nother story.
So while yes, it's cool and I applaud M&R for it, the actual speed part of it means very little to most, but the knowledge from it will benefit many.
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you know I have been thinking about this over the weekend. I think I have it somewhat broken down from my experience in the industry for the past 11 yrs
#1. you have the technicians ( screen printers ) that think they can do it better than their boss so they go out on their own.
#2. you have the guy who is an artist and kinda falls into the industry
#3. you have someone who thinks it is cheap to get into and does
#4. you have someone who knows you can make a lot of money in this industry and will do what he has to in order to buy the best equipment and make sure they are making money.
those are the 4.
back to #1. yeah you might be a great printer but have not clue how to run a business very different and they soon find themselves closing the doors or selling for too cheap and not knowing what is going on.
#2. this person is an artist and says wow people love my art and then says I will get into screen since people are asking for it for shirts and I can make money..once again going away from what they know and do. this works sometimes and sometimes not...but from what I have seen it is a struggle for them.
#3. you have someone who looks at the industry and says wow it is cheap to get into and everyone wears shirts so yeah I will do this. however again they find it very difficult to run a business. because this industry is not just about printing shirts.
#4. You have the guy who understands business and runs it like a business and makes money. yes they INVEST a lot into it and understands what you have to do to make it run well and make money doing it.
so going back to people can't afford it I call BS on that. you will afford what you want to. I look at people like Greg Kitson, Chris Kelly and Dan Zmuda who invest in their companies and continue to invest in equipment and staff to make their businesses run the best they can. Again it is about running a business not really about printing shirts. it is about having the RIGHT equipment vs. just having equipment.
hope this makes sense to someone somewhere and they are motivated by it and will have something click in their head and make a move!
sam
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you know I have been thinking about this over the weekend. I think I have it somewhat broken down from my experience in the industry for the past 11 yrs
#1. you have the technicians ( screen printers ) that think they can do it better than their boss so they go out on their own.
#2. you have the guy who is an artist and kinda falls into the industry
#3. you have someone who thinks it is cheap to get into and does
#4. you have someone who knows you can make a lot of money in this industry and will do what he has to in order to buy the best equipment and make sure they are making money.
those are the 4.
back to #1. yeah you might be a great printer but have not clue how to run a business very different and they soon find themselves closing the doors or selling for too cheap and not knowing what is going on.
#2. this person is an artist and says wow people love my art and then says I will get into screen since people are asking for it for shirts and I can make money..once again going away from what they know and do. this works sometimes and sometimes not...but from what I have seen it is a struggle for them.
#3. you have someone who looks at the industry and says wow it is cheap to get into and everyone wears shirts so yeah I will do this. however again they find it very difficult to run a business. because this industry is not just about printing shirts.
#4. You have the guy who understands business and runs it like a business and makes money. yes they INVEST a lot into it and understands what you have to do to make it run well and make money doing it.
so going back to people can't afford it I call BS on that. you will afford what you want to. I look at people like Greg Kitson, Chris Kelly and Dan Zmuda who invest in their companies and continue to invest in equipment and staff to make their businesses run the best they can. Again it is about running a business not really about printing shirts. it is about having the RIGHT equipment vs. just having equipment.
hope this makes sense to someone somewhere and they are motivated by it and will have something click in their head and make a move!
sam
So are you saying the 90% rest of us that have not invested in CTS do not fall in to category #4? Just curious because the three Printers you mentioned all have CTS.
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Mike
not at all...what I am saying is what I said above. Some people invest in their companies ( like you guys do ) and there are others who do not.
I know that some manufactures are leading the way and some are not.
sam
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Not sure if this URL will work, but here's some video......y'all should be able to copy/paste it to your browser.....
http://www.facebook.com/# (http://www.facebook.com/#)!/photo.php?v=10151666596613232&set=vb.64929513231&type=2&theater
I took my shoes off and did some cypherin' that's 1.6 seconds per shirt!
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Mike
not at all...what I am saying is what I said above. Some people invest in their companies ( like you guys do ) and there are others who do not.
I know that some manufactures are leading the way and some are not.
sam
I think one point you should add is the right investment is also in employees. One can buy all the equipment in the world and be a wizard salesman and businessman but hire all the wrong people and fail.
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sorry greg, Velcro was around well before the moon program. ;)
That's what I really love about this board, ya learn something everyday.
I will re-phrase my previous statement and pass on this info from Wikipedia that:
George de Mestral had originally envisioned Velcro being used in clothing. But when Velcro first hit the mainstream market in the early 1960s, the public's response wasn't as enthusiastic as expected – mainly due to the product's then cheap and unappealing appearance. Instead, Velcro's first big break came when the aerospace industry realized that Velcro, used a space suit closure device, was far superior to cumbersome zippers and snaps.
~Kitson
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ugh, damn you kitson!!!!
so maybe we are both right, it was developed before, but gained better "marketability" after the space program.
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Quote from: Inkworks on Yesterday at 12:53:51 PM
Pushing for world records means pushing the limits of the technology, and while none of us will be producing at 2000+pcs. per hour, many of us will likely see improvements trickle down from technology derived to make those numbers possible, even if it's just improved durability in design.
Just like nobody drives to work at 200+mph, but enjoy many of the advancements in safety and design in our daily drivers that have been derived from the push for speed on the track.
Why did the USA go to the moon? Prestige, National Pride, etc. But you and I still benefit everyday from the huge tech developments from the Apollo program.
WD-40, Velcro, computer power, food preservation techniques, remote medical data monitoring & collection, satellites of all kinds, GPS and data management all have their history solidly in "OUR' quest to go to the moon.
Don't forget cordless power tools!
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And freeze dried ice cream!!!
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Apollo 13 certainly spurred the popularity of duct tape as well. They used it to construct "the mail box" which saved their lives eventually, with out that popular TV shows like McGyver probably would never have been. ;D
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What good is all this tech we're going to give it away anyways, that is what we've done in the past, did you know its hard to build stuff over here now without buying parts from other countries, and get this, it was invented here and we gave it away...can you name items we no longer can build here?
Darryl
PS I,m shocked no other company has not tried to knock M&R off for the world record
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Darryl
PS I,m shocked no other company has not tried to knock M&R off for the world record
MURICA DAMNIT!!! I think most of the manufacturers are in other countries who don't quite have the same mindset (nothing bad about that, just different) and they have different goals in mind. I agree with Winston, but I also agree with M&R. We didn't have to go to the moon, but we did and there were many unintended consequences and advancements in our daily lives just from that program. M&R doesn't have to do what they do, and if you look at just the act of breaking a world record in printing shirts, no big deal really, but look at it from a different perspective and see what can be done and then allow the imagination to further our industry. Why can't we print 1000/hr all day every day if we could do 600? I don't claim to know how it was back in the old days but I think prepress is very important, as well as running the press as fast as you can to get the job done. That's what we do here, we run the job as fast as we can to save 5-10 minutes (average piece size is small) because that's one more setup right there, do that 10 times a day then that's 10 more setups per day. Print speed is important to me, but others can think what they will, they don't have to do things the same as we do.
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Does no one remember being young and ambitious and doing things just to see if you can? Maybe M&R just tries to beat the record for the fun of it. Why does it have to be this serious thing? As for the screen printing industry being on the decline - maybe your business is on the decline and you're blaming the industry.
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What the heck is MURICA !!!
Darryl
I think its great what they are doing M&R, nothing wrong with pushing the limit, I drive a vette and the speed limit is 55, 65, 75 have I push it, yep why cuz I could, and its great to zip in and out of traffic. I'm looking forward to the day you can log your print job on a zip drive and plug into your press and all heads are ready to rock and roll, just add ink!!!
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Does no one remember being young and ambitious and doing things just to see if you can? Maybe M&R just tries to beat the record for the fun of it. Why does it have to be this serious thing? As for the screen printing industry being on the decline - maybe your business is on the decline and you're blaming the industry.
Of course it's not only cool to have the bragging rights, like a showroom stock car or motorcycle holding a speed record, but it will sell product as well.
As for the industry declining, that almost has to be a given when you figure the inroads vinyl made into the sign segment, and DTG into garments and yardage.
Now, how much of a decline varies from segment to segment, market to market, and shop to shop.
I think that a repair and installation tech or manufacturer who's been in the industry for more than a few decades, looking at the big picture may see this better than some shop owners.
I do fine, exactly the level I want, but have certainly needed to adjust to the industry sea change over the last almost forty years myself.
Oh, and I'm still trying to picture Rich, back when he was young, as well as ambitious! Sigh, lotta water under more than one bridge, eh buddy? :)
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Does no one remember being young and ambitious and doing things just to see if you can? Maybe M&R just tries to beat the record for the fun of it. Why does it have to be this serious thing? As for the screen printing industry being on the decline - maybe your business is on the decline and you're blaming the industry.
Well said.
When I do stuff I always try to out do it the next time. If its climbing high, I try to go higher. If its running fast I try to run faster. It's really not complicated.
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Does no one remember being young and ambitious and doing things just to see if you can? Maybe M&R just tries to beat the record for the fun of it. Why does it have to be this serious thing? As for the screen printing industry being on the decline - maybe your business is on the decline and you're blaming the industry.
Of course it's not only cool to have the bragging rights, like a showroom stock car or motorcycle holding a speed record, but it will sell product as well.
As for the industry declining, that almost has to be a given when you figure the inroads vinyl made into the sign segment, and DTG into garments and yardage.
Now, how much of a decline varies from segment to segment, market to market, and shop to shop.
I think that a repair and installation tech or manufacturer who's been in the industry for more than a few decades, looking at the big picture may see this better than some shop owners.
I do fine, exactly the level I want, but have certainly needed to adjust to the industry sea change over the last almost forty years myself.
Oh, and I'm still trying to picture Rich, back when he was young, as well as ambitious! Sigh, lotta water under more than one bridge, eh buddy? :)
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Why set a world record. It is really is quite simple....it sells press and says loud and clear that we are the best! That is why it is done in the most public setting possible. It sets M&R apart from the other manufacturers. This is no different than you showing your customer or everyone on TSB some of your great prints, it sets you apart from all of the average joe printers out there...or average joe manufacturers in M&R's case.
Congrats Rich and M&R, not only do you set the bar but you continue to raise it.
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OK Tony, you can't just throw up a picture like that without additional detail.
When, where, who and is that Old Milwaukee in the bottom right hand corner of the picture?
~Kitson
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I thought it was Freddie Mercury Behind Rich
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Hers one from SPAI '89
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OK Tony, you can't just throw up a picture like that without additional detail.
When, where, who and is that Old Milwaukee in the bottom right hand corner of the picture?
~Kitson
[/quote]Looks like our 1990 company picnic and that is Old Style beer!
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I try to avoid buying equipment, cars, electronics, etc. that comes with the moniker "best".....Give me something that does 90% of what the "best" does as 75% of the cost and I am ahead and happy.....
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In the same vein, when I hear it's just as good as an "XXX" then I usually just go out and buy an "XXX". If it's good enough for the competition to use as the frame of reference, then it's probably the one you really want.
That said, I buy used, fix, mend, modify and make do with what we have all the time. I'd have loved to get a sweet M&R press, but a Falcon E just happened to come up for sale and be at the right price for me, and of course, not having 3-phase in the shop really narrowed down my choice of presses with large print sizes in the used market.
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In the same vein, when I hear it's just as good as an "XXX" then I usually just go out and buy an "XXX". If it's good enough for the competition to use as the frame of reference, then it's probably the one you really want.
That said, I buy used, fix, mend, modify and make do with what we have all the time. I'd have loved to get a sweet M&R press, but a Falcon E just happened to come up for sale and be at the right price for me, and of course, not having 3-phase in the shop really narrowed down my choice of presses with large print sizes in the used market.
someone in the industry said, the more features you find in newer machines
the more things to go wrong
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In the same vein, when I hear it's just as good as an "XXX" then I usually just go out and buy an "XXX". If it's good enough for the competition to use as the frame of reference, then it's probably the one you really want.
That said, I buy used, fix, mend, modify and make do with what we have all the time. I'd have loved to get a sweet M&R press, but a Falcon E just happened to come up for sale and be at the right price for me, and of course, not having 3-phase in the shop really narrowed down my choice of presses with large print sizes in the used market.
someone in the industry said, the more features you find in newer machines
the more things to go wrong
Probably the same person that wants a crank starter and mechanical windows on their car!
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I hate to say this but newer tech is a double edge sword so to speak, if you like working on your own stuff to save a buck you can't, for example take the new model cars now with the computers, one thing goes wrong and the whole car shuts down, and it just might be a fuse you can't find or replace yourself. Don't get me wrong I love all the new tech, for some of us it makes life so much easier and for some its a drag...some people hit the stores soon as new tech hit the shelf, while some us let them test it first or don't bother with it. I say this again Rich!!! retro fit that trilock for an Anatol LOL...
Darryl
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I hate to say this but newer tech is a double edge sword so to speak, if you like working on your own stuff to save a buck you can't, for example take the new model cars now with the computers, one thing goes wrong and the whole car shuts down, and it just might be a fuse you can't find or replace yourself. Don't get me wrong I love all the new tech, for some of us it makes life so much easier and for some its a drag...some people hit the stores soon as new tech hit the shelf, while some us let them test it first or don't bother with it. I say this again Rich!!! retro fit that trilock for an Anatol LOL...
Darryl
And that is why we offer a free class to each and every one of our customers who buy M&R equipment. If you are investing into an auto the least you should do is take the class and learn how to matain and repair properly. Just my 2 cents!
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I know with every piece of equipment I have bought from M&R I have gone to Chicago to take advantage of their classes....and each time it was only ME! I know they sell a lot more presses than just to me.
but on the upside I grew up about 30 min from their facility so I have a good reason to go home!
sam
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but on the upside I grew up about 30 min from their facility so I have a good reason to go home!
And sam, we ALL wish you would go home. ;)
Thanks for the b-day wishes, you were one of 3 people that texted me...in all fairness my whole family was together the night before for my son's b-day...but thanks again!!
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And heres what appears to be a slightly younger Andy DaSilva and Tony Baldino working on an old school Challenger. For more shennanigans you can find all of these on the M&R board
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Looks like a company where people stick around!
Must be doing something right. ;)
And oh yeah, not only a world record, but beating
"your own" world record...
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Lets face it, putting on a "stunt" as some call it like this costs money, and they don't have anything to prove as they already had the record. So it really goes to show that this company is healthy and has the capital to do fun things like this if for no other reason than "because they can".
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Well 600 per hour is good place to be.. I used to have a girl that could run 600 per hour all day every day and see lint hole.. run get it with her finger nail and never stop the press.. But more impressive was the fellow that mentioned the Coke bottling.. They do really fill those plastic bottles about 2000 per minute.. machine goes around so fast you cannot focus on a bottle, cannot manually turn the machine off fast enough when something happens to avoid losing about 500 bottles.. thats fast
dlac