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screen printing => Equipment => Topic started by: Action1 on August 01, 2013, 05:05:10 PM
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So.... here's one I never expected to see. This pallet met with a very unfortunate accident. The pallet owner was handling his fire arm when it accidentally discharged. I'm of course a advocate of shooting pallets as we then have to make more for you.
Now - who'd here can explain why guns are necessary in your screen print shop?
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no offense but there is not such thing as an accidental discharge...you either do it or you don't. now there is careless handling of a firearm and that is what I believe to happen but guns don't just go "off"
sam
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Wow! I am never touring that shop. :)
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...hoo boy, I see where this is gonna go already. Andy, you may just wanna go ahead and move this to The Cage.
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no lets call it what it is...a irresponsible gun owner who makes the rest of us look bad by doing sh*t like this.
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Question is why wouldn't you have a gun in your shop! And I agree with Sam on this one. Guns only "go off" if you intend them to.
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I think I would've saved that bullet for an inkjet printer.
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Gun in shop ok. We have one or two.
Idiot with an ad, send to class again. Several classes in fact.
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I too agree with Sam all the way
D
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I agree with most of these people here... My gun has managed to not put any holes in anything but targets so far. Though, Chris is on to something for sure!
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Yup. Kept a pistol in my shop when I noticed slow-rolling drive-bys from nearby apartments in the evening when I printed because it was so damn hot in the daytime, and no back door to "retreat" to, in a manner of speaking. It blended right in with my aluminum handled squeegies with the dark blue blades.
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I have a different take on this. When someone comes into my shop asking for my money I'll just tell them I keep the money under the press and then servo index their behind in half!
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wow, I don't think I would have fessed up to this one. he's going to kill somebody. carelessness.
he's lucky he didn't hit the base of the press. M&R's use the bottom frame as an air tank. That would have seriously cost a ton to fix.
Also, guns in the shop is nothing new. Most shops are in industrial areas, thankfully we are not seen as easy targets or "rolling" in money. This is the reason most of us carry:
http://www.wbtw.com/story/22740442/mother-of-5-children-shot-to-death-in-sc-bakery-suspects-on-the-loose (http://www.wbtw.com/story/22740442/mother-of-5-children-shot-to-death-in-sc-bakery-suspects-on-the-loose)
They did arrest the a-holes. I hope they fry the bastards too...or send them to work in that guy's shop...he's bound to do other stupid sh!t
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Look at this one from yesterday , Dooooooooooooah!!! :o
(http://i42.tinypic.com/4ttsee.jpg)
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there is not such thing as an accidental discharge..
sam
Guys have been apologizing to their lady friends for this for generations.
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What a Dumb*$$!
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So if I were to tell you guys that I had a 20 gauge pump shot gun that would on occasion discharge with a shell in the chamber when you pulled the "pump release mechanism" you would call me a liar, or mistaken, or an irresponsible gun handler? Here's the story and I'm sure some of you "city slickers" will get a kick out of it, and the things that we do to entertain ourselves out in the woods.
It was the summer after high school graduation and there were many days my buddies would congregate at my house and we'd hang out and stay relatively out of trouble. There was a merry gang of crows that would eat all the pecans from our tree down by the dairy barn and my dad told me if we could kill one and hang it up in the tree then the crows wouldn't come around anymore. Well, one day a crow is taunting us about 50 yards from the house in the tree line that surrounded the farm. I thought this would be my best chance at murdering the leader of this notorious crow gang (we'll call him Al Crowpone) and I don't know how many of you have tried to kill a crow, but it's not easy. They are beyond smart for an animal and they know what guns look like and it's almost like they can read minds. I've seen them before within shooting range and then procured a gun and even when hiding the gun they somehow know there is one around and they're gone. They are very good at taunting you and playing with your emotions so getting a good opportunity to make an example out of this thing was very rare so I needed to take advantage. I got the shotgun from the closet and I stayed in the house to load the gun so I wouldn't be seen by Al. The shotgun had a plug in it to keep the amount of shells to the legal limit but I had taken it out at times so I wasn't sure if was in or out so I immediately put a shell in the chamber to make room for the most shells possible. I was very distracted by keeping an eye on Al while loading and lost track of how many shells I had in the gun so I was going to take the shell from the chamber and just start over. Pump shotguns have a pump release trigger that's usually located right behind the trigger guard, towards the butt stock of the gun, and when you pull that release trigger it allows you to eject the chambered shell. So I was facing the back door and looking out the window to make sure Al was still unaware that he was about to meet his untimely demise but I remember the feeling to this day of using my right index finger and sliding it down the outside of the trigger guard till I got to the pump release then I pulled the trigger with no appendages near the actual trigger of the gun, and the damn thing went off inside the house and blew a hole in the back door. My friends weren't paying much attention to me, I think they were playing Madden or something and so the blast scared the pooh out of all of us. So I'm trying to get my wits about me and get my head right and I look outside and Al is still sitting in the tree at this point but with a 3" hole in the back door I figured I'd done enough damage for the day and I opened the door and Al then flew directly over the top of me, within about 30 feet. I'm pretty sure he was laughing at me but needless to say, he got away and is probably still alive to this day. Trying to explain that this gun just went off to my dad was probably about the same as trying to convince all of you that the gun just "went off" and that I probably pulled the trigger instead of the pump release but I know what happened and it's still etched in my brain the feeling and my actions right when the gun went off. It took about a year but I was finally vindicated in the botched Al Crowpone hit when my dad came home from a dove hunt one afternoon. I knew something was off when he hopped out of the truck with his boots in his hands. He walks up to me and drops the boots on the ground and says that he apologized for not believing me about the gun misfire. He had done the exact same thing and then he showed me the side of his Red Wing boot that the bullet grazed when he pulled the pump release to eject the shell in the chamber. Had the barrel been pointed a half inch to the left it would have taken off his pinky toe and no telling what else. That night we spent about an hour trying to get the gun to misfire again and we had probably tried about 200 times, in a controlled environment of course, when finally, it did it again. I think my dad was still uncertain that both of us hadn't accidentally pulled the trigger until he finally got it to misfire that night. The gun went to a gunsmith that week and from what I remember he found no reason for the gun to misfire and just like everyone else reading this thought that we were crazy and the gun was not at fault and the owner is. I've put more rounds through a shotgun and rifle than just about anyone I know and when it comes to gun safety, I'm as anal about that as I am my job so carelessness has never been a problem when I have a gun in my hands. Even at 18 years old I had already had many years under my belt with guns and gun safety. Quite frankly, my dad had taught me to be afraid of guns and to this day I still am. I handle them as if they will all misfire at any given time because I've seen it done twice. That shotgun is still sitting in a closet at my parents house, halfway disassembled and has never been fired since we got it back from the gunsmith. I doubt I'll ever shoot it again, and it's a very nice gun that is worth some decent money but I'll never sell it until someone can get in there and find out why it malfunctioned and fix it properly. I'm sure that 99.9% of gun misfires are operator error, nobody can convince me otherwise but because of my experience I know that there is always a very slight chance that one will go off completely by accident.
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there is not such thing as an accidental discharge..
sam
Guys have been apologizing to their lady friends for this for generations.
We need like button - I like this!
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So if I were to tell you guys that I had a 20 gauge pump shot gun that would on occasion discharge with a shell in the chamber when you pulled the "pump release mechanism" you would call me a liar, or mistaken, or an irresponsible gun handler? Here's the story and I'm sure some of you "city slickers" will get a kick out of it, and the things that we do to entertain ourselves out in the woods.
It was the summer after high school graduation and there were many days my buddies would congregate at my house and we'd hang out and stay relatively out of trouble. There was a merry gang of crows that would eat all the pecans from our tree down by the dairy barn and my dad told me if we could kill one and hang it up in the tree then the crows wouldn't come around anymore. Well, one day a crow is taunting us about 50 yards from the house in the tree line that surrounded the farm. I thought this would be my best chance at murdering the leader of this notorious crow gang (we'll call him Al Crowpone) and I don't know how many of you have tried to kill a crow, but it's not easy. They are beyond smart for an animal and they know what guns look like and it's almost like they can read minds. I've seen them before within shooting range and then procured a gun and even when hiding the gun they somehow know there is one around and they're gone. They are very good at taunting you and playing with your emotions so getting a good opportunity to make an example out of this thing was very rare so I needed to take advantage. I got the shotgun from the closet and I stayed in the house to load the gun so I wouldn't be seen by Al. The shotgun had a plug in it to keep the amount of shells to the legal limit but I had taken it out at times so I wasn't sure if was in or out so I immediately put a shell in the chamber to make room for the most shells possible. I was very distracted by keeping an eye on Al while loading and lost track of how many shells I had in the gun so I was going to take the shell from the chamber and just start over. Pump shotguns have a pump release trigger that's usually located right behind the trigger guard, towards the butt stock of the gun, and when you pull that release trigger it allows you to eject the chambered shell. So I was facing the back door and looking out the window to make sure Al was still unaware that he was about to meet his untimely demise but I remember the feeling to this day of using my right index finger and sliding it down the outside of the trigger guard till I got to the pump release then I pulled the trigger with no appendages near the actual trigger of the gun, and the damn thing went off inside the house and blew a hole in the back door. My friends weren't paying much attention to me, I think they were playing Madden or something and so the blast scared the pooh out of all of us. So I'm trying to get my wits about me and get my head right and I look outside and Al is still sitting in the tree at this point but with a 3" hole in the back door I figured I'd done enough damage for the day and I opened the door and Al then flew directly over the top of me, within about 30 feet. I'm pretty sure he was laughing at me but needless to say, he got away and is probably still alive to this day. Trying to explain that this gun just went off to my dad was probably about the same as trying to convince all of you that the gun just "went off" and that I probably pulled the trigger instead of the pump release but I know what happened and it's still etched in my brain the feeling and my actions right when the gun went off. It took about a year but I was finally vindicated in the botched Al Crowpone hit when my dad came home from a dove hunt one afternoon. I knew something was off when he hopped out of the truck with his boots in his hands. He walks up to me and drops the boots on the ground and says that he apologized for not believing me about the gun misfire. He had done the exact same thing and then he showed me the side of his Red Wing boot that the bullet grazed when he pulled the pump release to eject the shell in the chamber. Had the barrel been pointed a half inch to the left it would have taken off his pinky toe and no telling what else. That night we spent about an hour trying to get the gun to misfire again and we had probably tried about 200 times, in a controlled environment of course, when finally, it did it again. I think my dad was still uncertain that both of us hadn't accidentally pulled the trigger until he finally got it to misfire that night. The gun went to a gunsmith that week and from what I remember he found no reason for the gun to misfire and just like everyone else reading this thought that we were crazy and the gun was not at fault and the owner is. I've put more rounds through a shotgun and rifle than just about anyone I know and when it comes to gun safety, I'm as anal about that as I am my job so carelessness has never been a problem when I have a gun in my hands. Even at 18 years old I had already had many years under my belt with guns and gun safety. Quite frankly, my dad had taught me to be afraid of guns and to this day I still am. I handle them as if they will all misfire at any given time because I've seen it done twice. That shotgun is still sitting in a closet at my parents house, halfway disassembled and has never been fired since we got it back from the gunsmith. I doubt I'll ever shoot it again, and it's a very nice gun that is worth some decent money but I'll never sell it until someone can get in there and find out why it malfunctioned and fix it properly. I'm sure that 99.9% of gun misfires are operator error, nobody can convince me otherwise but because of my experience I know that there is always a very slight chance that one will go off completely by accident.
guns are equipment just like everything else, so yes, they will malfunction. Sometimes it is a failure to fire at other times they blow up or fire when not asked to. It is rare, but there is no such thing as perfect piece of equipment!
pierre
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This thread can easily get a whole ball of wax going, but so far everyone has been nice, so I ain't about to rock the boat, buuuttt I'm itching to poke at some ribs here LOL ;D
Darryl
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This thread can easily get a whole ball of wax going, but so far everyone has been nice, so I ain't about to rock the boat, buuuttt I'm itching to poke at some ribs here LOL ;D
Darryl
Alan's story was quite entertaining and I'm hoping to read more on the adventures of Al Crowpone and the misfiring shotgun. Didn't that happen to Dick Cheney?
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yeah, but Cheney shot a lawyer(I think) and it should always be open season on those.
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yeah, but Cheney shot a lawyer(I think) and it should always be open season on those.
They're worse than Al Crowpone.....
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I believe that would be a murder of crows as opposed to a gang. You're probably better off not
having shot him Alan, in many cultures killing a crow is super bad ju ju. Hell, an accidental discharge
at that time is a heckofa coincidence if you ask me...
To imply that having a loaded firearm is inherently safe is like saying Three Mile Island,
the Columbia Space Shuttle and the recent explosion at a Texas fertilizer company were impossible.
When the possibility exists, no matter how improbable, it is still possible, and in cases of human interaction,
likely. I think we'd all be lying if we said we've never seen machines do strange things. Hell, my old AutoRototex
used to index on it's own once every couple months.
I leave you with this:
http://youtu.be/MeGD7r6s-zU (http://youtu.be/MeGD7r6s-zU)
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That vid made my day. When he rolls with it and gets the assault rifle out...and the kids are like "oh hell no!"...priceless. Gotta give him props for limping around on a shot foot through that.
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Another Dumb*$$......
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That is why I didn't buy a Glock
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Perfect is a word that should be taking out the dictionary, is there such a monster?
Darryl
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He's the only one professional enough huh, friggn jack ass!!!!!!!!!!
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"I'm the only one professional enough in here to carry a glock 40" BOOM!!
You were saying?
Gerry, I carry one, BUT you are right... it's a concern. I just make sure to follow proper safe handling protocol. NEVER put my finger on the trigger unless I want it to go BANG. Though there are plenty of times when I reholster that I realize how easily it could happen if one wasn't careful enough.
But I'm looking forward to switching my everyday carry to something with more "safety" features!
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I have read of more instances of Glocks "going off" when reholstering that I just did not feel comfortable getting one even though I wanted one. I ended up with Springfield XD that has the 1911 style grip safety AND the Glock style safety.
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Alan, did your gun go off and shoot your cell phone? Give me a ring, it's going straight to VM.
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Yes acidental discharge can happen and very rare. This is why proper handling is very important. Guns like Glocks are good open carry guns Ina external holster. I conceal carry a S&W Bodygaurd 380 and its a double action so no safety is ok although it does have one. The striker fire, safety action and other non double action should always have a safety IMO. These guns are not safe to conceal carry unless there is a safety. I also carry a S&W shield .40 which is a striker fire but has a safety. S&W offers their M&P line with and without a safety.
Most unwanted discharges are because someone is showing off their weapon. I get asked all,the time and simply say no.
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so are you all saying that a gun just sitting there will go off? without any human interaction? really?
my point being that humans are the people doing something to them so there is not ACCIDENT there is a reason why it went off.
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Yes acidental discharge can happen and very rare. This is why proper handling is very important. Guns like Glocks are good open carry guns Ina external holster. I conceal carry a S&W Bodygaurd 380 and its a double action so no safety is ok although it does have one. The striker fire, safety action and other non double action should always have a safety IMO. These guns are not safe to conceal carry unless there is a safety. I also carry a S&W shield .40 which is a striker fire but has a safety. S&W offers their M&P line with and without a safety.
Most unwanted discharges are because someone is showing off their weapon. I get asked all,the time and simply say no.
Yeah, I open carry the Glock in a black hawk holster that is solid plastic has a "button" that must be pressed to release the weapon. It's perfectly safe in the holster... but it gets removed often enough.
I agree with your thoughts on conceal carry weapons... that extra layer of safety is nice, just have to practice/train with it in those conditions so that it's second nature when you need it.
Speaking of poor handling, one my clients so that I carry and wanted to show me his XDM 45 that he carries in his car, he hands it over and I of course do a safety check, it's cocked and loaded. Thanks, here is your gun back, please don't accidentally shoot me!
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What holster do you use to open carry? I bought an IWB and really don't like it. Its ok if im wearing jeans but most of the time im wearing loose kinds of shorts and it just doesn't work well. I was thinking of an OWB with my tshirt over it but it would need to be snug up against me pretty good.
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No mathtter what the loose fitting shorts is going to be the problem. I don't wear a belt myself and I have similar issues though I only wear jeans... some fit looser than others.
I really like this Black Hawk holster, it's a "Close Quarters Concealment" Not sure why it's named that because there is no concealment to this as it's OWB and rigid. *shrug*
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I wear a belt all the time. I think the gun may be on the heavy side even though its a subcompact.
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Could always order from one of my clients.
www.savoyleather.com (http://www.savoyleather.com)
Super sweet stuff there!