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screen printing => Separations => Topic started by: Dottonedan on July 12, 2011, 09:12:15 PM
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What are you using to print for films out?
You have two (2) votes. One for rare occasions and one for every day use.
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Im using an Epson Stylus Photo R2400 for my films. SOB eats ink like crazy!
Frank
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inkjet
EPSON 3000 for everyday film, EPSON 1400 as backup and color stuff.
pierre
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Epson 3000. OEM inks. Non-wp film.
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Had to go with other.. We use an Oyo....
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Epson 4000 and a 1400 for backup.
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R1800 w/all black until I can afford my 4880
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John. Check craigslist in your area. I saw a used 4000 that was barely used for around 500.00.
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A 1400 here, the 3000 is in the garage doing nothing after it just screwed up. I wish I knew which printer prints as big as the 3000 with no hassles that I get from my 1400.....
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Had to go with other.. We use an Oyo....
You get to change your vote to Low End image setters, as I replaced Dan's Eyo with your machine, lol!
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John. Check craigslist in your area. I saw a used 4000 that was barely used for around 500.00.
The printers are cheap.. it's the RIP, ink and media that kills it. 500 for the printer, 1500 for the consumables.
I don't need the 17" width right now and the r1800 is more than capable of producing fine detailed films.
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Epson 1100, Fixxons and Phothoshop for halftones. My next purchase will be RIP, it looks like FM.
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4800 with an 1800 as backup, accurip. This has served us very well but I can't wait to move into the DTS realm.
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epson r1800 w/screeners choice rip and a xante screenwriter 4
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2 Epson 1400's, accurip and bulk ink systems. Next is a nice reg system.
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2 epson 3000's using an old cadlink rip photoscript 7
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2 Epson 1400's, accurip and bulk ink systems.
Hows the bulk working for you? I see them all over the place for the 14's and 18's and given the size of the stock cart, continuous systems look like a viable way to save time and $$ with ink.
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I have cheap CIS from eBay, no Issues so far on Epson 1100. I think I paid $50 for filled system and refill kit is only $20 for all 5 colors. I went with dye ink, not the pigment iks that came with the printer.
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Epson 9000 every day, 3000 if that (god forbid) ever goes down.
Old ass Varityper wet-film imagesetter for whenever I think the effort
(cutting, darkroom processor, chemicals) is worth it. It's from the 80's,
I bought 2 for a dollar, and the film it produces is outstanding.
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Epson 4800 w 4 blacks 220 carts, QuickRIP, MaxBlack wp, everyday.
Epson 4000 in the corner waiting for print head repairs/replacement or DTG conversion .... some day ::).
Epson 3000 collecting dust... I must be holding on to it for SOME reason.
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Epson 3000, CIS ink system for black only. Plus a backup that I use for printing job tickets. That one has 4 color CIS and runs OK.
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2 Epson 1400's, accurip and bulk ink systems.
Hows the bulk working for you? I see them all over the place for the 14's and 18's and given the size of the stock cart, continuous systems look like a viable way to save time and $$ with ink.
Fantastic. i have 2 different systems, I have one of these sitting on standby:
http://cgi.ebay.com/Compatible-Bulk-Ink-CISS-CIS-Epson-1400-1410-1390-/400178791826?pt=BI_Toner&hash=item5d2c83c592 (http://cgi.ebay.com/Compatible-Bulk-Ink-CISS-CIS-Epson-1400-1410-1390-/400178791826?pt=BI_Toner&hash=item5d2c83c592)
both printers have these installed right now. I like these way better than having hoses all over the place.
http://cgi.ebay.com/Refillable-ink-cartridge-EPSON-Stylus-Photo-1400-79-/370478404439?pt=AU_Computers_Printer_Accessories&hash=item56423bd357 (http://cgi.ebay.com/Refillable-ink-cartridge-EPSON-Stylus-Photo-1400-79-/370478404439?pt=AU_Computers_Printer_Accessories&hash=item56423bd357)
For accurip, I just go in and change the set up after I send the file to the printer, I got from printer 1 to printer 2. It's the only way I can run 2 printers off accurip.
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Laser printer ( Brand not important since the Azante head technologie was reverse engineered) Usually get em for a couple hundred bucks off craigslist, but they last forever.
cartridge cost about $60.00 and last around a year or 20,000 solid impressions. will print a twelve color file in under three minuets.
Vellum I buy in bulk 32"X36" and have it cut down buy a friend, Cost is about 3 cents a sheet.
NO- RIP SOFTWARE!
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Unlike our friend here's excuse of being in the cold pool water, how do you deal with heat related shrinkage and registration issues?
george costanza - i was in the pool (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1cUNNKzj_Nc#)
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those issues are more myth then fact. Shrinkage I've never had an issue with, I shrink them threw the dryer on purpose because the heat fuzes the toner into a super opaque state.
granted if I need to out put a new film for any reason it will not register, but at like 4 cents each and a few minuets, I just re print the whole job.
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So, can I assume that you at least build in a trap, or is your shrinkage consistent enough from color plate to color plate to hold butt registration?
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I get perfect Butt to butt., I'll use a choke on my base for the crappy hand press or a gutter trap on a solid white base for the butted colors to fALL INTO.
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George could sure have used you, as I suspect his shrinkage prevented him from achieving perfect butt to butt registration that weekend. ;D
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trust me , I wish I had a image setter, I've had them... But this system keeps us competitive with pricing while offering a better profit.
I've been using it since Adobe© invented the post Script language and have numerous awards with the prints...
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George could sure have used you, as I suspect his shrinkage prevented him from achieving perfect butt to butt registration that weekend. ;D
I love your Seinfeld references. . .
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trust me , I wish I had a image setter, I've had them... But this system keeps us competitive with pricing while offering a better profit.
I've been using it since Adobe© invented the post Script language and have numerous awards with the prints...
Well, Lord knows, I've talked about the HP 4 mv's and the Canon Engine cousins under two other brand names over the years, and I myself still use a larger Minolta QMS 2060, but the lasers are certainly losing favor.
I know that some of the Xante's advertised some sort of shrinkage compensation, but I don't know what that entailed.
The other knock by dot connoisseurs, is the generally less precise dot shape achieved with laser.
In the end, no one is going to argue with your success though, and, besides, we love a rebel!
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Thanks Andy, for touching on that sore spot. You know i suffer from DOT ENVEY ::)
To better Illustrate the problem I have created some 8X10 Glossies for a VINS ( Visual impact on the Nero system.)
You know I stay up some nights worried that my clients will tell me the stunningly beautiful shirts I gave them have come under fire by people viewing them under microscopes and noting that the dots where just not quite as perfect as the shop that charges more for set-ups? :-[
(http://tshirtillustrator.com/images/ripdot.png)
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You know I stay up some nights worried that my clients will tell me the stunningly beautiful shirts I gave them have come under fire by people viewing them under microscopes and noting that the dots where just not quite as perfect as the shop that charges more for set-ups? :-[
You mean that you don't "skip to my Loupe, my darling"?
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I have to say... I like bubbles 8)
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WE? who invited you? ;D
You mean that you don't "skip to my Loupe, my darling"?
I assume that's some sort of insult? Good thing I'm just too dim witted to figure it out! :0
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trust me , I wish I had a image setter, I've had them... But this system keeps us competitive with pricing while offering a better profit.
I've been using it since Adobe© invented the post Script language and have numerous awards with the prints...
Well, Lord knows, I've talked about the HP 4 mv's and the Canon Engine cousins under two other brand names over the years, and I myself still use a larger Minolta QMS 2060, but the lasers are certainly losing favor.
I know that some of the Xante's advertised some sort of shrinkage compensation, but I don't know what that entailed.
The other knock by dot connoisseurs, is the generally less precise dot shape achieved with laser.
In the end, no one is going to argue with your success though, and, besides, we love a rebel!
Hi Andy, we have a Xante ScreenWriter 3, though we mostly output through our 1400. On the Xante, they have a special test page for you to print out with various lines and boxes. You print it out, and then, with a ruler with gradations of 1/10th mm, you make measurements from the lines to the edge of the page, and write those numbers into the boxes next to the lines (to help one remember) then open up ScreenWriter software (it's getting fuzzy now, it's been a few years since we had to do it) type the appropriate numbers into the appropriate boxes, and all of your films will register. This has to be done for each size page you print, and for each type of media, vellum or their own translucent film. It works well, and was all we used for quite some time. If you need to produce a single film from a previous file, it will fit the older films.
Steve
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You mean that you don't "skip to my Loupe, my darling"?
I assume that's some sort of insult? Good thing I'm just too dim witted to figure it out! :0
Loupe, I say loupe boy, don't you get it? A reference to the magnifier the dot freaks carry around!
(https://www.bintelshop.com.au/Images/Stock/6214X.jpg)
(https://www.bintelshop.com.au/Images/Stock/6879X.jpg)
Watch out for the dot detective! ;D
(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-RCaaWn-Gj2A/Te9k8AvyNvI/AAAAAAAABw0/UZ0417vEFjE/s1600/droopy+with+spyglass.jpg)
I'd say the dot detective has some edge definition issues himself!
Point taken and rectified! Now, no one who is just showing up will know what you meant. lol!
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I'd say the dot detective has some edge definition issues himself!
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I getting old Andy, I thought that was a printer' Loop... Went right over my little knogen Cuz'n I cant's pell!
I know how to spell Daught toe'n Dan tho.
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Pfftt. Artelf....has shrinkage issues. :o Bwahahaha. ;D Someone was gonna so I did.
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George could sure have used you, as I suspect his shrinkage prevented him from achieving perfect butt to butt registration that weekend. ;D
I love your Seinfeld references. . .
Well, I had a HP Laserjet4 and 4MV and I DID experience shrinkage frequently. Using special Laser Film.
And was no cold water around.
I use Inkjets now.
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Epson 1400 with BlackMax & Accurip. Sharp 2600n with postscript option can be used if the Epson goes down. And a HP9800 with ghostrip at home for playing around.
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Epson 1400
Epson 3000 (have not started using yet)
Accurip
Fixxon's film
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My only suggestion is to have a back up printer . Learned that the hard way. . .if you can't produce films, you are sunk.
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My only suggestion is to have a back up printer . Learned that the hard way. . .if you can't produce films, you are sunk.
I think I may start a separate thread about what pieces of "backup" equipment keep in the shop.
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good call, start one
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We keep a Monkey in the closet that is pretty good with some black sharpies. we just have to glue his nose shut or he keeps tweeking on them. :o
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We keep a Monkey in the closet that is pretty good with some black sharpies. we just have to glue his nose shut or he keeps tweeking on them. :o
Talk about "Old School"... man!
Dude, take it up a notch or ten, give him an opaquing pen.
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Granted, most monkeys today don't know the difference, but I find that Sharpies and most other standard markers to have a pretty wimpy d-max, and prefer the job-specific offerings from Kimo and Mark-Tex. ;D
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yea we're saving the Kimo's for the gorillas!