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screen printing => General Screen Printing => Topic started by: Dochertyscott on August 22, 2013, 05:24:34 AM
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Pretty stoked to have a new sidewinder installed today. From rototex to Odyssey to brand new sidewinder. Happy days. Thought I would share with some folk that share my passion. :-)
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Hopefully this image appears.
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Congrats, I hope to follow in your footsteps.
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Hopefully this image appears.
Looks like you need to level your press, it looks pretty sideways :P
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Let's turn it a bit
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Let's turn it a bit
Looks level now ;D
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Thank you Andy you sure help a lot of necks around here LOL
Darryl
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apolgies for the crook necks! was uploaded from my phone.
I printed my first job on it yesterday a nice simple box print...2 colour white base with 1 pt bleed and a halftoned image over top.
What a dream. smashed it out no need to trim base edges with tape like previously. ha
I went over to check a setup my workmate was doing on the workhorse.... she feels like a creaky toy in comparison to this badboy. (def needs a clean and grease)
Thanks M&R!
heres a couple more photos prior to lunch and beers on the rep.
My worker admiring and the salesman glad to have finished the install. (which was extremely straight forward)
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Sweeet I want one ;)
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That is a fantastic machine. A really nice balance of heavy-duty and "spinnable" performance. Keep it clean and lubed!
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I have had one for about 6 yrs now and trying to figure out when we last used it....well for something besides a table....but that is changing tomorrow as we are moving it to the new shop....guess we will see what it can really do.
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I have had one for about 6 yrs now and trying to figure out when we last used it....well for something besides a table....but that is changing tomorrow as we are moving it to the new shop....guess we will see what it can really do.
SW + triloc = nice 6 color sample press.
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We use ours once or twice a week now but there were times we would go months without spinning it. I print on it now but only one color jobs for the most part. I just hate doing multi-colored work on the manual cause I'm spoiled by the auto. Screens never get out of reg on the auto in the middle of a run but on a manual, they almost always do at some point. But one color jobs under 50 pieces I'll put on the sidewinder and it takes a little pressure off the auto but not much.
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We use ours once or twice a week now but there were times we would go months without spinning it. I print on it now but only one color jobs for the most part. I just hate doing multi-colored work on the manual cause I'm spoiled by the auto. Screens never get out of reg on the auto in the middle of a run but on a manual, they almost always do at some point. But one color jobs under 50 pieces I'll put on the sidewinder and it takes a little pressure off the auto but not much.
I've been in shops where the simple left breast logo for the ten color back often went to the manual.
The smallish sleeve jobs and odd-balls like bags as well.
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Screens never get out of reg on the auto in the middle of a run but on a manual, they almost always do at some point.
Something is wrong on the press then. I had an 8 color Chameleon that never, (as in never EVER) went out of reg once it was dialed in. I could leave it up for days on big jobs and it was rock solid from the first print to the last.
Only time it would go out was user error, like not locking the clamps down and draining the air lines.
The Sidewinder clamps and registration mechanics are almost identical. In fact the biggest difference is only the spring tension adjustment.
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That does seem odd. The M&R blue max here isn't built near as heavy, but has several decades of use and still registers extremely well.
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Jealous! I've been wanting one of these for a little while now....
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Jameson, you missed out on a Vastex V2000HD we had for sale a month ago. And when you're ready for an upgrade let me know and I can help you find one.
Things will get into registration but nowhere near as fast as the auto. I haven't done a ton of work on the manual, couple hundred jobs but only a few dozen of them have been multi-colored work and I can't remember ever setting one up on any of the 3 manuals we've had that a screen didn't need a tweek somewhere in the print run. It's almost always in the first dozen or so shirts of a run and our manuals have never been as tightly calibrated as the auto so that might have something to do with it, plus spinning and stopping two different carousels something can shift ever so slightly and it's noticeable.
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A heavy swinging arm is usually the culprit for mis-reg on manuals.
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Jameson, you missed out on a Vastex V2000HD we had for sale a month ago. And when you're ready for an upgrade let me know and I can help you find one.
Things will get into registration but nowhere near as fast as the auto. I haven't done a ton of work on the manual, couple hundred jobs but only a few dozen of them have been multi-colored work and I can't remember ever setting one up on any of the 3 manuals we've had that a screen didn't need a tweek somewhere in the print run. It's almost always in the first dozen or so shirts of a run and our manuals have never been as tightly calibrated as the auto so that might have something to do with it, plus spinning and stopping two different carousels something can shift ever so slightly and it's noticeable.
We've missed out on a couple great presses recently due to buying other toys just before they magically appear on craigslist and the like. An 8/8 Antec Legend was just for sale in Houston for $3500 that I was this close to snapping up, but we ended up getting a few other more needed things locally instead. I'll certainly let you know when we are 100% ready to upgrade our press. Shoot me a pm if you come across a 6/6+ sidewinder/chameleon, vastex 2000, or antec for around that $3500 price point. I check searchtempest, craigslist (using boolean search strings), and all the major board classifieds basically every day, but I don't really talk to a lot of other shops directly who might be ready to offload something but not advertising it.
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Jameson, you missed out on a Vastex V2000HD we had for sale a month ago. And when you're ready for an upgrade let me know and I can help you find one.
Things will get into registration but nowhere near as fast as the auto. I haven't done a ton of work on the manual, couple hundred jobs but only a few dozen of them have been multi-colored work and I can't remember ever setting one up on any of the 3 manuals we've had that a screen didn't need a tweek somewhere in the print run. It's almost always in the first dozen or so shirts of a run and our manuals have never been as tightly calibrated as the auto so that might have something to do with it, plus spinning and stopping two different carousels something can shift ever so slightly and it's noticeable.
We've missed out on a couple great presses recently due to buying other toys just before they magically appear on craigslist and the like. An 8/8 Antec Legend was just for sale in Houston for $3500 that I was this close to snapping up, but we ended up getting a few other more needed things locally instead. I'll certainly let you know when we are 100% ready to upgrade our press. Shoot me a pm if you come across a 6/6+ sidewinder/chameleon, vastex 2000, or antec for around that $3500 price point. I check searchtempest, craigslist (using boolean search strings), and all the major board classifieds basically every day, but I don't really talk to a lot of other shops directly who might be ready to offload something but not advertising it.
There is a new 6 color 4 station manual with Micro and aluminum pallets being introduced in 6 weeks that will sell for $2,995 new. Will first be seen by the public in Orlando at the SGAI show.
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what brand? any additional info?
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what brand? any additional info?
M&R silly, that's Rich Hoffman...
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I'm new here :P
Fully tool-less micros and ability to hold 23x31 on all heads?
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I'm new here :P
Fully tool-less micros and ability to hold 23x31 on all heads?
That is correct!
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So far this is sounding extremely appealing. I have been hoping to transition to m&r equipment simply because i want an m&r auto and would prefer to buy into the system earlier rather than later and avoid redundant or incompatible accessories.
Will it come in a 6/6 configuration?
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Will it come in a 6/6 configuration?
Once you go to auto, you won't really care about a 6/6. A 6/4 or even a 8/4 (Chameleon) is plenty for most shops for production and sampling. A 6/6 is nice to have if you are a really crankin manual printer and plan to stay that way indefinitely. I went from 6/6 to 8/4 and I never missed the 2 other pallet stations.
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unfortunately I don't see an auto in our near future, though I obviously want to make the leap ASAP. Before we do though we have to transition to a larger space and upgrade efficiency on a few more things, and have a little more of a financial cushion. In the mean time I am all for maxing out our manual production efficiency, and a 6/6 won't be leaps and bounds faster than a 6/4 but I have watched enough videos and done the math on our own printing and it will be worth the extra cash.
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ugh...so hard to wait on info about new press. There's a vastex 2000 6/4 with sideclamps available for $2600 in my neck of the woods, but I'm trying to be forward thinking...
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more stations = more cool down after the flash on a manual and you have more flexibility in where you load/unload if you are really rippin' out work on it. If moving fast on the press, more stations means less flinging the press around and less platens out of parallel too.
Gotta say that when we had the 8/8 chameleon we kept four adult boards and four sleeve, youth or zip hoodie platens on it typically so 4 stations is totally fine too.
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ideally I would like 6 stations, and ideally I would like an M&R press so peripherals will be compatible with a future auto purchase, but 2600 for a v2000 with side clamps is making it hard to wait. :D