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screen printing => Equipment => Topic started by: screenprintguy on August 27, 2013, 10:49:33 AM
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Go Dave!!!
M&R's Tri-Loc Screen Pre-Registration System: So simple you can register screens blindfolded (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=63H9au5WXSM#)
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what a stud! yep...people can do it faster by eye though!
yeah rigghhhhttttt...
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Carrier sheets or CTS?
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Carrier sheets or CTS?
Dave is direct to screen
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Hey Sam it had to be set up first by eye to get to that point LOL
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Now we need to see him do it while standing on one leg with one arm tied behind his back!
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No it does not Big D....it was not lined up by eye which people claim they can do as fast a regi system...
hahahah
I know you are just pushing my buttons!
sam
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Sam, next time you are in journey mode in the plane, fly over and scoop up D, bring um back to your shop se he can see what that I-Image can do ;D
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Go Dave!!!
M&R's Tri-Loc Screen Pre-Registration System: So simple you can register screens blindfolded ([url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=63H9au5WXSM#[/url])
Notice that Dave is doing the blindfolded set-up on a Challenger 3D. I had the privilage of running a M&R 3D demonstration last week at the MAGIC Show in Las Vegas in the SGIA Tech Sourcing booth.
I have a HUGE case of machine LUST, that is the smoothest piece of printing machinery I have ever touched.
I want one, don't need it, but I REALLLLLY want one.
~Kitson
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There was an older guy back in the day that used to say he could line up jobs faster by eye but is there anyone not full of S that says they can do it now? My printer told me one day when I was about to put the regi system in place that he would be faster doing it manually. I challenged him on the first 7 color job and although he did do it fast, 15 minutes and 3 test prints, I did it in 7 minutes with 2 test prints. It takes longer to put squeegees, floodbars and ink in the screens than it does to lock the screens in place.
As people have mentioned on the other thread an often overlooked aspect of the regi system and it's failure is what happens to the screen once you lock it down. I prefer the screen locks with a half dollar sized round foot over a bar, especially a bar that isn't flat. A bar that is concave or triangular can move the screen as it clamps down on a roller frame.
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Alan, even the flat bar, if you are using the roller frames, you have to make sure that center of the flat bar is directly over the center/top of the roller or it will angle and push the frame from one side to the other. I have to make sure and keep an eye on that and change if I go from an MZX to an M3 because of the difference in roller width. One good thing about the ridged frames being flat stock, the flat bar sits nice on them. I would imagine it's sort of the same with you since you have the little feet they have to be directly over the center right, but they probably give a little better when trying to micro. I guess like everything else though, you get used to your gear and it becomes second nature. I just like being more dead on from the get go, with minor micro'ing if at all needed. I love watching those screens go up and down, that beast is a smooth mama jama!!!
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There was an older guy back in the day that used to say he could line up jobs faster by eye but is there anyone not full of S that says they can do it now? My printer told me one day when I was about to put the regi system in place that he would be faster doing it manually. I challenged him on the first 7 color job and although he did do it fast, 15 minutes and 3 test prints, I did it in 7 minutes with 2 test prints. It takes longer to put squeegees, floodbars and ink in the screens than it does to lock the screens in place.
As people have mentioned on the other thread an often overlooked aspect of the regi system and it's failure is what happens to the screen once you lock it down. I prefer the screen locks with a half dollar sized round foot over a bar, especially a bar that isn't flat. A bar that is concave or triangular can move the screen as it clamps down on a roller frame.
I dont know where Sam ever heard someone say they could register screens by eye faster but I will take his word for it. I lined up screens by eye for many many years. I did it on a Javelin with less than ideal screens. In doing so I was able to perfect the process to the best of my abilities, over the years I learned what the press would do to the screen when clamped down so i always compensated before triggering clamps. This resulted in correct registration 9 times out of 10. Having a tri-loc now for two years I would never ever say i could do it by eye faster, thats just silly. But I will say I could register by eye on a press I was familiar with pretty damn fast. Some people can get proficient at it and some people can never get the feel. The other aspect is also knowing how your micros work, every press brand will be different. On the Javelin I could look at the test print and know exactly how much to turn the micros, on our new press it took a little while but now I know exactly how it reacts.
The video is silly but cool. Obviously any of us could grab a screen and pull it to the stops and hit the clamps, not sure how this makes someone a super star but hey it was cool to watch.
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Anyone remember the predecessor to the Tri Lock? It was........not fun.
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Mike
really? you have been on these forums for years. there are tons of people saying they can do it faster by eye than by tri-loc...how many people have tri-loc sitting in the corner because "they know more than their boss or supervisors"?
the point of the video is that it is dead on even with your eyes closed!
it is about making money vs setting jobs up.
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Mike
really? you have been on these forums for years. there are tons of people saying they can do it faster by eye than by tri-loc...how many people have tri-loc sitting in the corner because "they know more than their boss or supervisors"?
the point of the video is that it is dead on even with your eyes closed!
it is about making money vs setting jobs up.
Put things into correct perspective Sam.
Yes I have heard of companies complaining that they do set up faster with out the tri-loc BECAUSE they either have a malfunctioning tri-loc or they simply cannot get it to work correctly. Never have I heard someone say i have a tri-loc and I mastered it but I still do everything by eye.
More times than not companies are failing to teach and make mandatory becoming proficient with a tri-loc on their employees, thats just bad management on their part. We all know once proficient with the system it is a time saver.
it is about making money vs setting jobs up.
Not sure what that has to do with the price of rice in China?
I was talking about the point of the video and your statement that people have claimed they are faster by eye, nothing to do with money but a technical conversation.
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Tony, are you talking about the one with contact points, kind of an angled box, with cool red lights?
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Sorry, I see Dave's accomplishments and the successful team and business he leads at Bimmrider and consider him to be a super star. His knowledge has helped us tremendously. As the owner of a small shop, with a smaller staff, we produce and flow like a shop 2 to 3 times our size due to proven systems and knowledge Dave has graciously passed on to us. So to me, he is a superstar :D
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Guys, it was just for FUN!!!! M&R was here making some video on the CIID. The subject came up, so we had some fun. No stop watches, no bean counters, no micrometers (no beer :-[), just a little fun.
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Sorry, I see Dave's accomplishments and the successful team and business he leads at Bimmrider and consider him to be a super star. His knowledge has helped us tremendously. As the owner of a small shop, with a smaller staff, we produce and flow like a shop 2 to 3 times our size due to proven systems and knowledge Dave has graciously passed on to us. So to me, he is a superstar :D
I didn't say he wasn't a super star for reasons you just mentioned, i am talking about a dude walking around a press pulling a screen tight to the blocks and hitting clamps. Anyone can do that on this board anyone. In fact on my press I have little membrane buttons I have to push for the clamps so I am never looking at the screen when I hit the clamp buttons.
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Guys, it was just for FUN!!!! M&R was here making some video on the CIID. The subject came up, so we had some fun. No stop watches, no bean counters, no micrometers (no beer :-[), just a little fun.
And I did say it was cool and fun. Next video he can tie one hand behind his back, hold thre screen with his other and hit the toggles with his nose. :D
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HOLY SH*T Mike...that is the point...ANYONE can do it. that is what makes it so FU*KING GREAT. it is a system. a system to make money!!!!!!
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HOLY SH*T Mike...that is the point...ANYONE can do it. that is what makes it so FU*KING GREAT. it is a system. a system to make money!!!!!!
Uh OK I forget any conversation with you has to do solely about money. Excuse my misunderstanding.
I am miserable and crotchety these days, I have been in chronic pain for over two months now and I have major back surgery coming up in the fall. All I can say is I am not looking forward to it not one bit, they are repairing spinal stenosis in my lower back something that has been an issue for a decade now but up until this summer I have gotten by. The surgery is going through my lower gut as well as my back and it scares the crap out of me. The reason I have procrastinated it for so many years is because any one I know that has had surgery always comes out with something wrong, infections, unsuccessful repair, more damage etc. I am confident I will be a better man once its done tho i am worried irreversible damage is already done.
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Mike
yes it is all about the money...that is why we are in business. that is why any business is in business.
sam
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Tony, are you talking about the one with contact points, kind of an angled box, with cool red lights?
Dave its been so long I don't remeber it all but it was a big box that traveled from head to head. It used optic lasers and tiny motors to position the screens. It required air also so a ginormous air line was needed to allow it to travel around the circumference of a 14 clr. Not only over engineered but it didn't work. Scheduling dept had to actually add an hour to the set-up time allowance. The Tri-lock has proven to be an elegantly simple solution
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Speaking of Elegance, the ISS we recently had in Orlando we saw the "newer" tri-lock pallet, half the size or less. seriously considering having ours cut down as it seemed to be a lot less of a back breaker to move around all day long on a day with a bunch of set ups.
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Anyone remember the predecessor to the Tri Lock? It was........not fun.
Yep. Had it at Starter. Never worked. Weighed a ton.
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I know the one you're talking about Tony. The one I'm talking about was before that one even. Didn't that one have to be on perfectly flat floors? Used reflective tape? I remember looking at it....once.
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Yes to both. Nice sample machine