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General => General Discussion and ??? => Topic started by: mimosatexas on September 18, 2013, 01:00:01 PM
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http://dallas.craigslist.org/ftw/for/4074356210.html (http://dallas.craigslist.org/ftw/for/4074356210.html)
Saw this today and felt like sharing. I cannot believe how filthy that press is, and the shop in general. There is ink literally smeared on the wall!
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Tell them not to clean it before shipping and you'll get about five gallons of ink with the deal.
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that press has nothing on how my Javelin looked when I picked it up:
(http://www.oaknet.com/gallery/var/resizes/Screen-Printing/Workhorse-Javelin-Automatic-Press/IMG_2394.jpg?m=1371385411)
(http://www.oaknet.com/gallery/var/resizes/Screen-Printing/Workhorse-Javelin-Automatic-Press/IMG_2395.jpg?m=1371385412)
looks real nice now... (Of course, my press is a 91 and cost only $1000)...
-J
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I would pay a few grand for it in that condition without a thought, but not $28k+shipping. I can only imagine it would need work if they can't even do the occasional wipe down or lint removal. Makes me sad :(
Maybe I'll offer him 4 grand and hire a cleaning service to sweeten the deal for him.
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and that is why we do not use spray adhesive!
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seriously! I ditched the spray adhesive within a few months of starting. Tex-Tac is a miracle worker.
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My American came like that, a little worse in fact. Some of the adhesive is so hardened on it, it would take off the paint to remove it. So I am thinking about repainting it so that it doesn't look so terrible. Compared to jvanick, I overpaid ($1500)
Oh and WB spread on plus palette tape is the way to go for tack.
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Nice press, but holy f, that is disgusting...
Yeah, I'm proud that I've never owned a can of spray tack EVER!
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I use the WB pallet adhesive as much as I can... of course, on hoodies and other fleece garments, we have to use web spray adhesive...
platten tape and watered down textac works great.
btw.. I believe it was Rich Hoffman that recommended to someone to use WD40 to cut the old plastisol and adhesive... that worked great, and didn't take the paint off... (you can get it in gallon containers that aren't pressurized as well). Plus, it seems like it's easier to clean up the little mess we make now (the v-squeegees really fling the ink). Getting my first chopper upgrade kit next week, might not be long before I 'upgrade' the rest of the heads.
-J
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Well at least on that first press the control panel is clean, they need to take a air hose to that thing then wipe it down, just think if that was a car he was trying to sell LOL.
Darryl
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we use web spraytac and my press has never looked like that.
Tried the waterbase and it was a pain.
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slightly off topic, but what brand of platen tape are ya'll using? We got some a while ago and it refused to adhere to the melamine we use to line our home built platens, would curl right off. We just use a razor blade scraper every 1000 prints or so to refresh the glue. Takes maybe 5 minutes a platen, but pulling off a layer of tape would definitely be faster.
What didn't you like about the waterbased Croft? We have a little squirt bottle of it by the press, squirt a bit and spread it on with a paper towel, give it a quick flash and every 50 shirts take a moist paper towel and wipe back and forth a few times and literally all the lint comes off and it is good as new. Spray tac had major issues with flashing, holding up after 10-15 prints before needing reapplied, lint buildup like crazy, and it just gets everywhere. My gallon of textac has also lasted about a year now and its barely half empty.
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I'd have to check it out, but I am pretty sure it's actually application tape rather than tape made specifically for platens. Another difference is that my platens are rubber on aluminum. I think it's TransferRite ULTRA premask and application tape. At least that's what the 4" sample I have next to me says, if not, that should be the right brand.
I've heard of printers applying multiple layers of tape and adhesive so they can pull off a layer as soon as it loses tack, does anyone do this? I am having a hard time imagining how that would work and why it would be better than the wipe off with green cleaner method that I think mooseman had a video of.
When I first tried using wb tack, I couldn't figure out why it was so hard to pull the shirts off the platen. Then I started to dilute it…
It might be worth it to start a thread about tack methods in the general screenprinting subforum.
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slightly off topic, but what brand of platen tape are ya'll using? We got some a while ago and it refused to adhere to the melamine we use to line our home built platens, would curl right off. We just use a razor blade scraper every 1000 prints or so to refresh the glue. Takes maybe 5 minutes a platen, but pulling off a layer of tape would definitely be faster.
What didn't you like about the waterbased Croft? We have a little squirt bottle of it by the press, squirt a bit and spread it on with a paper towel, give it a quick flash and every 50 shirts take a moist paper towel and wipe back and forth a few times and literally all the lint comes off and it is good as new. Spray tac had major issues with flashing, holding up after 10-15 prints before needing reapplied, lint buildup like crazy, and it just gets everywhere. My gallon of textac has also lasted about a year now and its barely half empty.
Wow!! you can use a paper towel to spread tex tac, I use a squirt bottle also but if I tried to use a paper towel it would stick and tear up like crazy, I use a plastic ink card and then to get it back sticky I use a screen brush and a little water sprayer.
Darryl
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The suggestion of two layers of pallet tape is for easier removal of the top layer.
No glue is applied to the first layer.
Web tac for everything? Yikes! If we use it for registration and a thin garment test print
you can see the webs in the print. Fleece only and the occasional oddball fabric.
We card our waterbased glue out of a mustard bottle. I have several sprayers (and really like
them) but haven't gotten around to setting them up after moving.
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we used a pvc card (like a blank credit card) for a while as we purchase those by the thousand as ink cards, but it is quicker and cleaner to just use a paper towel. We thin our textac 2 parts water to 1 part tex tac and have never had issues with it sticking to the paper towel preflash. We use a paper towel to clean the lint off as well. We have a squirt bottle of tap water, generously mist the platen, and fold the paper towel twice, then with a good amount of pressure we run the towel up and down the platen in a zig zag that covers the whole surface one time and literally all the lint comes up and you see a clean white platen that is literally as good as new after another 5 second flash. We use a 32oz squirt bottle (mustard bottle would be accurate as well) that is clear that we get off amazon. We use the same bottle for things like fixer, printgen, and a few other things when mixing inks, and for our poster inks since we usually custom mix and do low runs with multiple applications during the run to keep everything nice and neat.
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The suggestion of two layers of pallet tape is for easier removal of the top layer.
No glue is applied to the first layer.
Oh, that's much less useful. I might try it anyhow, but it isn't that difficult to peel off the tape as it is.
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We switched to CCI`s Thick Bond, which is a real great glue. Perfect for all sorts of garments even sweats and polyester tops. Best adhesive ever. Using a scrub pad for application, two layers of tape. 3M are doing a nice application tape, unfortunately I can`t remember the name of it, but it`s kind of expensive too.
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We switched to CCI`s Thick Bond, which is a real great glue. Perfect for all sorts of garments even sweats and polyester tops. Best adhesive ever. Using a scrub pad for application, two layers of tape. 3M are doing a nice application tape, unfortunately I can`t remember the name of it, but it`s kind of expensive too.
we use waterbased and heat activated glue. for application we use a thing like on the photo. i do not know the english neme for that and do not find a translation :o
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volker's suggestion is where it's at. hot dog paint roller. put the roller in a freezer ziploc with a spritz of water after use.
Makes the most even application short of spraying.
For tape I've been really liking this R-Tape we have, but I have to get it from Ryonet which I hate. The stuff peels cleaner than anything we've ever used, almost no pickin'.
That sporty is gross but I'd take an AC/servo in any cosmetic condition...just not for 28k.
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A paint roller, tried it and didn`t like it.I found the scrub pad the best way so far to apply the adhesive. As for tex tac, I found it very hard to clean the pallet paper once it`s applied. Not nearly as easy as most other waterbased adhesives. Must be because tex tac is not a real waterbased adhesive as far as I know.
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Ordered once Newman pallet paper of Ryonet, that stuff sucks, at least on an auto.
Never had any problems with the guys at Ryonet, as a matter of fact they have always been very helpful getting me items they don`t stock so that we did not need to order from different dealers. But I can see how some people might not like them that much, their facebbook posts are a bit over the top at times.
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oh, no disrespect, they're ok mostly. just not my preferred for a variety of reasons.
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fyi, OneStop carries the same R-Tape pallet tape... that's where I get mine from...
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I think the R-tape is what I got, and it wouldn't stick at all...
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R-tape makes a ton of different application and premasking tapes, so it might be that you got one of their low tack tapes? Then again your platen material may be giving you issues as well.
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Just a heads up... Thats our buddy Jason Rodreguez selling that press ;)
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Just a heads up... Thats our buddy Jason Rodreguez selling that press ;)
Wow, just when you think that guy has quit trying to rip people off he's right back at it.
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Anyone looking for his current phone number,
(770)-771-8236
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Just a heads up... Thats our buddy Jason Rodreguez selling that press ;)
Wow, just when you think that guy has quit trying to rip people off he's right back at it.
Isn't that essential to ripping people off? ;)
I don't know that it's all that special. Few years back I saw a press that if you took the heads and platens off, you could mistake for a stuffed animal. Literally. Then I heard the famous (and oft repeated,) line: "We don't get paid for cleaning"
Kinda wanted to say "Sound reasoning. When are you going to quit showering?" ::)
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I thought Jason had hide out when the big guy laid low...oh the drama!!!!!
Darryl
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who's this jason character? I buy a lot of used equipment, would be good to know who NOT to deal with.
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brannon, what shop is selling that thing? you can pm me if you don't want to share it here.
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Mimo - go check out DS, I believe there is a thread going on brokers...this stated MF'r blew a deal on me and I never heard of him before but he sounds like a POS from the BS I went through....there's a handful of quality brokers, like Don Fenno and Bill Foust that I've dealt with and would again....
should start a thread here of brokers and companies we have all dealt with and our experiences.
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We tried the roller thing for awhile, but ended up with leaking baggies of glue and sticky hands.
It was the easiest and smoothest application method short of a gun though. Guns are awesome
and quick and fun, but unless your a crackshot you're back in the realm of overspray. Luckily it's heavy and
mostly hits the floor.
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the glue can dry out on a roller...it works fine. the only problem you might have is if the roller stops spinning.
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brannon, what shop is selling that thing? you can pm me if you don't want to share it here.
I’m not sure... Only reason I know is he sent me a bunch of pics of the press yesterday trying to get us to help him sell it. Needless to say, he got no response ;D
Good brokers dont need to hide behind other brokers ;)