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screen printing => Equipment => Topic started by: Prosperi-Tees on October 12, 2013, 08:48:04 PM
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At least 7.5 hp 25-30 cfm.
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Also looking at "quieter" piston units like this:
http://www.aircompressorsdirect.com/BelAire-QP338VLE-Air-Compressor/p4801.html (http://www.aircompressorsdirect.com/BelAire-QP338VLE-Air-Compressor/p4801.html)
Any others?
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I'm actually looking for the same thing. I've been having some nice luck with Atlas Copco
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Shultz compressors. 15 hp Screw around 5k. 8)
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Quincy isn't bad... Available at the link you posted, but not cheap either.
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Craigslist ;D
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Shultz compressors. 15 hp Screw around 5k. 8)
Where?
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Craigslist ;D
Waiting on an email back from the one by me
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Shultz compressors. 15 hp Screw around 5k. 8)
Where?
I'll check when I get home. They have a warehouse near my house. I'll call you Tuesday.
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Shultz compressors. 15 hp Screw around 5k. 8)
Where?
I saw one on ebay... New, I think... Good price, I'm interested in hearing other's experience with them. Where you at Brian? You are our resident compressor expert. ;)
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You should look at vein types as well More efficient and you do not even need to mess with them for 50k hours. Yes i did say 50,000 hours. I picked mine up used for 3500 and it will run 2-3 all air machines wide open.
I will get you the local info Gerry. The place I got it from was great and all they do are industrial compressors. Mine is made by Mattei.
http://www.matteicomp.com/air-compressors/ (http://www.matteicomp.com/air-compressors/)
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Very cool, do they make any single phase units?.... Damn I need 3 phase in my shop, but cost is crazy to have it put in...
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They may. I have 3 phase so everything in the shop runs on it.
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$20000 - $30000 to put 3ph. in where I am. :( Getting a good, used, big auto was a challenge, but Workhorse Falcon E fit the bill. My compressor is taxed when running the auto multi-head over 40doz/hr. and running the pad printer at the same time. An additional fan on the electric motor stopped it from thermal shutdowns, but I know I'm running it too hard at peak production.
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Check out eaton compressors they have 10 hp single phase 45cfm for less than $8000. Rotaryscrew.
Shane
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Check out eaton compressors they have 10 hp single phase 45cfm for less than $8000. Rotaryscrew.
Shane
Anyone here own an Eaton?
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Check out eaton compressors they have 10 hp single phase 45cfm for less than $8000. Rotaryscrew.
Shane
Anyone here own an Eaton?
One of ours is a Eaton, not a screw though. The company is great! I have had nothing but awesome luck with them. When we used their compressor for our main one back in the day, something had gone wrong and after talking with them they figured it was the motor. They shipped me a new motor next day(we should probably be a 2 day ship) freight, shipping and motor free! After putting the new motor in it turned out to be something else that costed like $8 to have replaced locally. They didn't ask for the motor back or shipping $ or anything. They were just happy we were just back up and running.
If I didn't get such a killer deal on our new and main compressor off of Craigslist, I wouldn't of hesitated to get another Eaton.
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Is the compressor going to live inside the shop? might want to factor noise levels into the decision making process.
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I have an ingrosol rand unigy total air system. It is a total POS. I do not think it has ever worked more than 15 days in row. At this point it is a 10K paper weight. I don't know who is best but I will strongly suggest that you stay away from IR.
Matt
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yeah, I would recommend finding a good AC tech and piking their brain, also they might have something they can install for you at a reasonable price. I am about to upgrade the pump on ours, I am over replacing heads every year at about $800 a pop.
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MK162 what are you talking about? Rotary screw compressors. What pump are you talking about?
Shane
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I have a piston type pump, it's loud(but it's outside) the dang thing keeps blowing gaskets, so they came out with a new head, that helps, it lasts longer, but I am tired of having downtime because the AC is down.
It's a speedair compressor. I think they are owned by Campbell Hausfield, at least that is who makes the new head kit.
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I have a piston type pump, it's loud(but it's outside) the dang thing keeps blowing gaskets, so they came out with a new head, that helps, it lasts longer, but I am tired of having downtime because the AC is down.
It's a speedair compressor. I think they are owned by Campbell Hausfield, at least that is who makes the new head kit.
We have a speedair, bought new in 09 and no issues with it yet, what year is yours Brad? It keeps blowing head gaskets? I've always worried about our compressor because it's not one of the higher end brands and I expected to have plenty of issues with it by going the cheaper route but we've been lucky or they do make a decent compressor. Our old unit was a ingersoll, 10HP that didn't have any issues the 3 years we had it.
I've always wanted a rotary screw but the prices just turned me off. Since we've been running we've never had compressor issues with the piston drive units so I didn't put that much thought into the compressor purchase.
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ours is probably 15-20 years old, it's been rebuilt though, probably 8 years ago.
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We have a Campbell Hausfield bought in '97 all we have ever done with it was change the oil. Never even had to change the belt yet.
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we currently have a piston IR compressor. It's been good, but i think we've outgrown it. I'm actually looking into rotary screw compressors, hopefully making a purchase this week.
Right now my top contenders are Atlas Copco or a Kaeser
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We got a bangin' deal on a Chicago Pneumatic 7.5hp. Basically an atlas copco sub brand. Very simple rotary screw and chiller setup with 5yr warranty and service has been top notch so far. Having a guy to service the brand up north of us is a big help to, we're screwed if our comp goes down as no one in town even rents a big enough electric one. I'm feel confident and happy with the CP in this situation.
They have a less expensive (but louder) line which is what we scored and then a quiter line. Our sounds about as loud as a vacuum cleaner.
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We got a bangin' deal on a Chicago Pneumatic 7.5hp. Basically an atlas copco sub brand. Very simple rotary screw and chiller setup with 5yr warranty and service has been top notch so far. Having a guy to service the brand up north of us is a big help to, we're screwed if our comp goes down as no one in town even rents a big enough electric one. I'm feel confident and happy with the CP in this situation.
They have a less expensive (but louder) line which is what we scored and then a quiter line. Our sounds about as loud as a vacuum cleaner.
I looked at those and there 7.5hp screw only puts out 20cfm @100 psi. Seems kinda low.
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It is on the line if you are running a big all air press or multiple ones but keep in mind these units are rated for continuous run. I mulled getting a bigger one but it just seemed like overkill for us if the smaller unit can run continuously when needed.
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Thats true, If I recall correctly you got it from Compressor World, right?
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Was this it Zoo?
http://www.compressorworld.com/7-5-HP-Chicago-Pneumatic-Rotary-Screw-Air-Compres-p/cpn%207.5%20150%20208-fslash-230-fslash-460%20200l.htm (http://www.compressorworld.com/7-5-HP-Chicago-Pneumatic-Rotary-Screw-Air-Compres-p/cpn%207.5%20150%20208-fslash-230-fslash-460%20200l.htm)
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Close, we got the one with the chiller. Make an offer on there! I did and was shocked when a rep called to say they accepted it. That company apparently purchased a whole mess of these direct from Atlas Copco at a very good rate.
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Has anyone checked these guys out? http://www.boge.com/us/? (http://www.boge.com/us/?)
I am curious because a used one came up near me.
Matt
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Close, we got the one with the chiller. Make an offer on there! I did and was shocked when a rep called to say they accepted it. That company apparently purchased a whole mess of these direct from Atlas Copco at a very good rate.
Do you mind sharing what you offered?
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$3500 in my case.
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Check out eaton compressors they have 10 hp single phase 45cfm for less than $8000. Rotaryscrew.
Shane
Anyone here own an Eaton?
We have an Eaton rotary screw here. Had it for about 3 years now, run it everyday for minimum 10 hours and have not had any issues with it yet other then one of the factory drive belts started to come apart about a month after we got the machine. I replaced that belt as to me it looked like a faulty belt and from that day on we have had zero issues. I have heard some "stories" of unsatisfied eaton clients but our experience was really good and the compressor itself has worked great for us. We have a professional tech come service the compressor every other month or so which has probably helped us not run into issues with it. I would certainly purchase another compressor again from Eaton based on our current compressor.
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I just had a rep from Atlas Copco stop by. i think we are gonna go with one of their new Variable speed rotary screw compressors.
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I just had a rep from Atlas Copco stop by. i think we are gonna go with one of their new Variable speed rotary screw compressors.
The variable speed is what IR claims is my problem. The power is not consistent enough it the mother board keeps failing. That is a $4500.00 for mine. If I were you I would make sure to get a written warranty that covers parts, service and down time. We ended up spending another $1200.00 on a line conditioner from the utility and it did not help. Please check that there is proof of the variable speed performing for at least a couple years before you jump in to that.
Atlas may be okay but the variable speed ingrosol rand I have is a $10k paper weight.
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Was this it Zoo?
[url]http://www.compressorworld.com/7-5-HP-Chicago-Pneumatic-Rotary-Screw-Air-Compres-p/cpn%207.5%20150%20208-fslash-230-fslash-460%20200l.htm[/url] ([url]http://www.compressorworld.com/7-5-HP-Chicago-Pneumatic-Rotary-Screw-Air-Compres-p/cpn%207.5%20150%20208-fslash-230-fslash-460%20200l.htm[/url])
They will take $3000 shipped for this one but my concern if you look at the specs its 78db for the 7.5 rotary where Eaton's 7.5 piston is 73db and Belaire and Chichao Pneumatic 7.5 piston quiet series are 69db. I think with the compressor being in the shop decibel level is a major selling point for me.
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You keep focusing on Hp when it's cfm that counts, you could put a 20 hp motor in front of a 17 cfm pump but it will still only develop 17 cfm. What's the required cfm for the press? That CP screw compressor is only 20 cfm, seems a little small for an all air press.
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We have the 7.5 CP like Zoo and it has been great. It did keep up with a 6/8 Freedom and 8/10 Rhino both all air presses, though it did run almost to nonstop. Now with one AC/servo press and belt tracking on our Interchange it cycles on much much lesss
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I just had a rep from Atlas Copco stop by. i think we are gonna go with one of their new Variable speed rotary screw compressors.
we have an Atlas Copco GA-18 VSD here - its nearly too big for us (114 cfm @ 109 psi) the display shows that it gets about 30% load - any less and moisture would accumulate and cause problems.
weve had it about a year and a few months. we did get a rebate from the electricity supplier - i hope your Atlas rep mentioned the possibility.
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I just had a rep from Atlas Copco stop by. i think we are gonna go with one of their new Variable speed rotary screw compressors.
we have an Atlas Copco GA-18 VSD here - its nearly too big for us (114 cfm @ 109 psi) the display shows that it gets about 30% load - any less and moisture would accumulate and cause problems.
weve had it about a year and a few months. we did get a rebate from the electricity supplier - i hope your Atlas rep mentioned the possibility.
the one we are looking at I guess is new technology, that doesn't have that issue. It's Oil cooled.
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I just had a rep from Atlas Copco stop by. i think we are gonna go with one of their new Variable speed rotary screw compressors.
we have an Atlas Copco GA-18 VSD here - its nearly too big for us (114 cfm @ 109 psi) the display shows that it gets about 30% load - any less and moisture would accumulate and cause problems.
weve had it about a year and a few months. we did get a rebate from the electricity supplier - i hope your Atlas rep mentioned the possibility.
the one we are looking at I guess is new technology, that doesn't have that issue. It's Oil cooled.
which model?
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I believe it's the GA11 VSD
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They will take $3000 shipped for this one but my concern if you look at the specs its 78db for the 7.5 rotary where Eaton's 7.5 piston is 73db and Belaire and Chichao Pneumatic 7.5 piston quiet series are 69db. I think with the compressor being in the shop decibel level is a major selling point for me.
Remember that db ratings are exponential.. I believe that every 3db of sound level is a perceived doubling of sound to your ears. So a unit that's even only 6db quieter will be much quieter in your shop. going from 78db to 69db is a huge step.
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Is there a standard on that rating? Because distance is a huge factor and it's impossible to compare withou knowing that information.
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You keep focusing on Hp when it's cfm that counts, you could put a 20 hp motor in front of a 17 cfm pump but it will still only develop 17 cfm. What's the required cfm for the press? That CP screw compressor is only 20 cfm, seems a little small for an all air press.
Your correct. The rotary 7.5 puts out 20 cfm and the pistons I mentioned puts out 26. M&R says to run the machine all out it needs 32 cfm. I will never run all heads or very fast so I believe 26 would be ok.
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so my post never made it so this one will be shorter. I have Kaeser 7.5hp, around $8K for the whole set-up, compressor/tank/chiller. I can have a conversation next to the it while its running. Think of it as an investment. Good deals can be had I'm sure on used compressors, but I went new because I didn't want other peoples problems.
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Plan for the future. Trust me you will eventually being running all heads (or most of them) and probably fast too.
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so my post never made it so this one will be shorter. I have Kaeser 7.5hp, around $8K for the whole set-up, compressor/tank/chiller. I can have a conversation next to the it while its running. Think of it as an investment. Good deals can be had I'm sure on used compressors, but I went new because I didn't want other peoples problems.
This is true. I ran a Kaeser for years with same set up comp/tank/chiller. While you couldn't hear a pin drop you could have a conversation next to it. Great products by them
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Ted had a Quincy that was pretty quiet, maybe sounded like a scooter idling at worse, but softer.
Hey Brandon, did you get settled in yet?
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Im just researching anyway. I need to get flashes in here asap anyway. I can't even run the dang press yet. No white or light shirts on schedule.
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Ted had a Quincy that was pretty quiet, maybe sounded like a scooter idling at worse, but softer.
Hey Brandon, did you get settled in yet?
Working on it! Hope you are well. Will you be in New Orleans anytime soon? We should meet up if so
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Ted had a Quincy that was pretty quiet, maybe sounded like a scooter idling at worse, but softer.
Hey Brandon, did you get settled in yet?
Working on it! Hope you are well. Will you be in New Orleans anytime soon? We should meet up if so
Yes, I'm doing some show coming up... have to get the details from my mother-in-law... has to be soon though. Brahms Stoker Awards or something... the we have Writer's of New Orleans as well which is typically in December I think.
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Where do you guys set your kick on / kick off pressures at?
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Where do you guys set your kick on / kick off pressures at?
on at 105 PSI, off at 115 PSI -- if we arent running the Trident with air heads
on at 110 PSI, off at 125 PSI -- if we are running all 4 presses.
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I set my ON PSI to be 5-10psi higher than the 'highest' set regulator on all my equipment.
My compressor is a 175psi max unit.... my Javelin has it's regulator set at 120psi. my ON psi is 125, my OFF psi is at around 150... that way the press is always running at the 'same' PSI internally.