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« Last post by Frog on August 17, 2025, 08:10:17 PM »
Although it will take extra time which needs to be factored into pricing, steaming after the fact has been a long-time standard finishing touch, especially when end product is to used for re-sale.
Yeah I have just started doing this, but I am determined to find a way to eliminate this extra step. How do you do the steaming? Do you spray the edges of the marks with a mist from sprayer and run them through a conveyor dryer?
I assume pressing again wont work as the steam will not have anywhere to escape?
It definitely is an extra step. I am not running nearly the same operation now as I was before my gradual retirement process kicked in, but spray bottle mist and a trip down the dryer tunnel was used on some jobs. I also know that some shops use an actual hand held clothes steamer on a hanging piece as one would do at home to remove wrinkles.
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« Last post by spencer_L&KC on August 17, 2025, 07:09:52 PM »
I agree with 3 Deep/ Daryl!
Also understand your frustration with things not being what you expect.
In the current industry melt down, the horse that you are cussing, might
Just save your azz in the future. From someone who knows all the brand
From the inside to the out, Anatol is a brand I would consider. If you prefer
M&R, I would look at the M&R Global brand, that is built by a company called
DCC. Made in India, marketed by M&R as of now in the USA. I returned from India 2 weeks ago to give them (DCC) my honest opinion of their equipment As with Anatol
I like the fact that they are privately owned. Not a fan of companies in this industry.
I travel and operate with an open mind. My only stipulation, was that I have full acess
To the machines from the beginning to the end. I want to see anf feel the construction.
I was blown away! I dont have a dog in the fight, but if I did it would be with them.
As far as over cureing ink on flashes, it is called Intercoat adhesion failure. Call your ink co that you use and they will guide you. It is real.it is good, that you have a lot of smart
People on this board that are willing to help and guide you! Dont sweat the small stuff.
Good luck
Winston
904.3430848
Thank you for the reply! I actually love my Anatol Thunder manual press, well except for the powder coating flaking off without any abrasion against it. Also some of the micros knobs turn like butter and others are stiff. Been that way since it was delivered. Ive got friends who are printers and their Anatol manuals also have the smooth and stiff micros knobs. Guess thats just how it is. That jacket hold down though, seems like it should be pretty easy. When you say you were blown away, and if you had a dog in the fight, it would be with them, youre referring to Anatol?
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« Last post by spencer_L&KC on August 17, 2025, 06:57:57 PM »
You will definately get white dots if you over cure, especially when you print solid colors over a white base.
I also assume that the top colors won't adhere to the base as well if it is overcured.
Do you mean "over flash" and not "over cure"? The flash should not be hot enough to cure ink.
correct, overflashing can also cause ink adhesion problems between your base and top colors.
So thats what ive been told, but I have never experienced adhesion issues with bases and top colors. That is why I started this thread, after another user mentioned they believe that over flashing is a myth. I am sure I have "over flashed" a print or two over the years. I feel like the flash should not be hot enough to cure ink, so how can it cause adhesion issues? Wouldn't both layers get hot enough to adhere in the conveyor? And I am super curious if anyone can explain how flashing can cause those little white bumps through colors. How is that even possible if the conveyor dryer temp is far hotter than the flash, and it doesn't cause bumps. So how is it possible that flashing is causing those bumps? I want to get to the bottom of these issues. Can anyone explain how these phenomenons are happening?
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« Last post by spencer_L&KC on August 17, 2025, 06:46:24 PM »
Although it will take extra time which needs to be factored into pricing, steaming after the fact has been a long-time standard finishing touch, especially when end product is to used for re-sale.
Yeah I have just started doing this, but I am determined to find a way to eliminate this extra step. How do you do the steaming? Do you spray the edges of the marks with a mist from sprayer and run them through a conveyor dryer? I assume pressing again wont work as the steam will not have anywhere to escape?
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« Last post by spencer_L&KC on August 17, 2025, 06:43:01 PM »
you'll want thermal strips. they change color once certain temp is reached so you can tell exactly. Might want to put in several different areas on the heating element to check for hot and cold spots. Should be available at most screenprint supply stores. I think Stahl's has them and they are likely to be pretty accurate.
pierre
Yeah I have seen those. Guess Ill order some and give it a go. We used to have the oldest heat presses here before we got the MEM..
We used to struggle sometimes. Well it was a metal thermometer in there.
I used a temp gun finally and realized it was waaaayyy hotter than it should have been. So I adjusted and it helped so much.
I have not used temp strips, but im sure that will work also.
When you used a temp gun, how did you use it? Did you shoot the heat panel itself or shoot the substrate as soon as you opened the press? Thank you both for the replies.
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« Last post by Frog on August 15, 2025, 02:37:27 PM »
Although it will take extra time which needs to be factored into pricing, steaming after the fact has been a long-time standard finishing touch, especially when end product is to used for re-sale.
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« Last post by Admiral on August 15, 2025, 10:54:29 AM »
You will definately get white dots if you over cure, especially when you print solid colors over a white base.
I also assume that the top colors won't adhere to the base as well if it is overcured.
Do you mean "over flash" and not "over cure"? The flash should not be hot enough to cure ink.
correct, overflashing can also cause ink adhesion problems between your base and top colors.
It can also cause registration issues by garments shrinking / tack being rendered much less useful due to excess heat on the platen.
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« Last post by whitewater on August 15, 2025, 10:04:22 AM »
We used to have the oldest heat presses here before we got the MEM..
We used to struggle sometimes. Well it was a metal thermometer in there.
I used a temp gun finally and realized it was waaaayyy hotter than it should have been. So I adjusted and it helped so much.
I have not used temp strips, but im sure that will work also.
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« Last post by mk162 on August 15, 2025, 09:48:34 AM »
You will definately get white dots if you over cure, especially when you print solid colors over a white base.
I also assume that the top colors won't adhere to the base as well if it is overcured.
Do you mean "over flash" and not "over cure"? The flash should not be hot enough to cure ink.
correct, overflashing can also cause ink adhesion problems between your base and top colors.
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I agree with 3 Deep/ Daryl!
Also understand your frustration with things not being what you expect.
In the current industry melt down, the horse that you are cussing, might
Just save your azz in the future. From someone who knows all the brand
From the inside to the out, Anatol is a brand I would consider. If you prefer
M&R, I would look at the M&R Global brand, that is built by a company called
DCC. Made in India, marketed by M&R as of now in the USA. I returned from India 2 weeks ago to give them (DCC) my honest opinion of their equipment As with Anatol
I like the fact that they are privately owned. Not a fan of companies in this industry.
I travel and operate with an open mind. My only stipulation, was that I have full acess
To the machines from the beginning to the end. I want to see anf feel the construction.
I was blown away! I dont have a dog in the fight, but if I did it would be with them.
As far as over cureing ink on flashes, it is called Intercoat adhesion failure. Call your ink co that you use and they will guide you. It is real.it is good, that you have a lot of smart
People on this board that are willing to help and guide you! Dont sweat the small stuff.
Good luck
Winston
904.3430848
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