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« Last post by ebscreen on October 20, 2025, 11:44:52 AM »
Interesting that the announcement would come just a day or two after we started talking about it here. On the other hand, it does say version 2.0, so was there an earlier version before?
They've had it for awhile, maybe a year. I think there's another thread on it. I was miffed when I saw it advertised as I had thought about developing the same thing. But then I started really thinking about the way both machine vision works and the way that human press ops work and I can all but guarantee the override button will get taped down eventually. As an example the initial time spent "training" the machine on the first correct print is going to be far longer than walking it to the office. Double extra so should the run be different garments/colors. You might be better off having the cameras on press but the program running on the artists computer to alert them. Reality being the machine is going to flag all kinds of non-issues, so a human is still going to have to make judgement calls.
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« Last post by blue moon on October 18, 2025, 10:22:19 AM »
I think M&R has it - look them up, I saw a vid about this from them this morning.........10/17/2025
Yes, similar idea. Does not provide approval, just monitoring. Interesting that the announcement would come just a day or two after we started talking about it here. On the other hand, it does say version 2.0, so was there an earlier version before? Does anybody have any info on the pricing? Also, it looks like it would only work with M&R equipment…  pj
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« Last post by Ron Pierson on October 17, 2025, 06:35:47 PM »
I think M&R has it - look them up, I saw a vid about this from them this morning.........10/17/2025
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« Last post by blue moon on October 16, 2025, 05:54:59 PM »
Someone approached me about doing this to monitor DTF printers. We have several machines running all day and the system would allow for fewer operators. At the time, I was not interested. I don't still have the contact information for the person but if you can find him, they may be the perfect partner. Lots of overlap.
I think this system could be set up to work with dtg/dtf. There would have to be a bar code with every design and a place to retreive the masters from. Not very different from what i am thinking. Pierre
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« Last post by DonR on October 16, 2025, 03:57:13 PM »
Someone approached me about doing this to monitor DTF printers. We have several machines running all day and the system would allow for fewer operators. At the time, I was not interested. I don't still have the contact information for the person but if you can find him, they may be the perfect partner. Lots of overlap.
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« Last post by Admiral on October 16, 2025, 02:22:18 PM »
Not to be a debbie downer but I don't see this ever actually working well, and I also think it's kind of important to have human brains in the process.
My guess would be if they aren't using machine vision in the offset world already (which would be 1000 times easier to implement) than we won't ever see it in ours.
Like a lot of things.
I Googled this and there are a couple systems that popped up right away (Lithec Litho Flash - In Press Camera System, EyeC ProofRunner). So, they definitely are in that industry. I have done offset printing / plate making, etc. Lot less errors than in screen printing, so possibly not as cost effective! I can't remember "runs" of messed up printing for offset ever, and I did bindery and more as well. I agree it would be easier to implement!
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« Last post by Admiral on October 16, 2025, 02:13:55 PM »
I mean its free upgrade if you are already on Windows 10, so its not exactly a cash grab but it definitely is a disruption.
It took me like 5 trys to get Win 11 installed on my rig at the shop, which is a i9 with 128gb of ram and a 4080 and over 20tb of hard drive space and it just would not take for whatever reason. Finally got it to take Tuesday. Now other computers have went much easier but ya dumb over all.
I agree with EB on the ad's too, not a fan. Windows in general as you mentioned is getting worse and has for some time.
We upgraded all of ours but a few we cannot - they have barcoding software licenses and Windows 11 breaks them from working! That's a cash grab from the barcoding software companies though, not Windows....still sucks! I'm not dropping $2K again on such simple software...
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« Last post by zanegun08 on October 16, 2025, 01:42:49 PM »
The i9 is probably from around 2019, and i7 from before then. Sucks to throw out good monitors if they are still good for a software problem. However going from the i9 to the new M4 they will be much faster. If you want easy, just get new imacs, don't need to get the highest spec's mid level would be fine. Either the 8 core or 10 core and then maybe upgrade the RAM. However, if you want to be cheap, you could try it first and if doesn't work return it, but you could technically get a 10 core Mac Mini with M4 chip, and use something like this https://astropad.com/blog/step-by-step-guide-how-to-use-your-imac-as-a-monitor/ to use your old imac monitors as a monitor for the Mac Mini. The Mini with the M4 and upgraded RAM will be a huge upgrade from what is currently used, and only $600 per station. Or even the mini with non apple monitors, but I'm a sucker for Apple monitors even though they are expensive and not super color accurate, they look good and lost long. But again, if you want easy just get new iMacs. The M5 chips just came out in the Macbook Pros, so could also do those if you wanted them more mobile, but iMacs are easy, Mac Minis are cheaper but isn't an all in one package. What is the computers your IT people are suggesting? Good luck!
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« Last post by blue moon on October 16, 2025, 12:56:49 PM »
Not to be a debbie downer but I don't see this ever actually working well, and I also think it's kind of important to have human brains in the process.
My guess would be if they aren't using machine vision in the offset world already (which would be 1000 times easier to implement) than we won't ever see it in ours.
Like a lot of things.
^^^^ This.
Also keep in mind in general this industry is ULTRA slow to adopt anything. Think about how many are still on manual presses, still have flo bulb exposure and still wash screens in a kitchen sink. Its wild. More of those by far than modern shops.
This is not for everybody! There are two ppl already interested on some level. If we can get 3-4 to band together, we can make this work. As far as making it happen, we dont pay until we have results. AI and machine learning has come a long way in the last couple of years and based on what I know, it SHOULD be possible. Yes, the human brain will still be involved, they have to set up the press and will not be asking for approval unless its ready. This is a tool to back up a human rather than to take over. All our prints go to art for approval and almost all of them are good to go, but every now and then, something is not right. This tool would catch those issues with about 90% certainty. No tool is perfect, but it should help. Pierre
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« Last post by Homer on October 16, 2025, 12:54:05 PM »
what about a tablet on press or end of the dryer? or even a webcam. have a stand alone platen with camera overhead, I know colors shift on screen but might close? We use webcams here for a few things, mostly inappropriate though.... Or a pneumatic conveyor like the bank teller, roll the shirt up, stuff it in the tube and send it!..... AI sounds neat and inspector gadgety and all, but sometimes multiple eyes on cannot be replaced.
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