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General Discussion and ??? / Re: Are we at the Mercy of Greed?
« Last post by Admiral on October 16, 2025, 02:13:55 PM »
Quote from: GraphicDisorder on October 16, 2025, 12:15:09 PM
I mean its free upgrade if you are already on Windows 10, so its not exactly a cash grab but it definitely is a disruption.

It took me like 5 trys to get Win 11 installed on my rig at the shop, which is a i9 with 128gb of ram and a 4080 and over 20tb of hard drive space and it just would not take for whatever reason. Finally got it to take Tuesday. Now other computers have went much easier but ya dumb over all.

I agree with EB on the ad's too, not a fan. Windows in general as you mentioned is getting worse and has for some time.

We upgraded all of ours but a few we cannot - they have barcoding software licenses and Windows 11 breaks them from working! That's a cash grab from the barcoding software companies though, not Windows....still sucks! I'm not dropping $2K again on such simple software...
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Computers and Software - General / Re: Mac upgrades
« Last post by zanegun08 on October 16, 2025, 01:42:49 PM »
The i9 is probably from around 2019, and i7 from before then.

Sucks to throw out good monitors if they are still good for a software problem.  However going from the i9 to the new M4 they will be much faster.

If you want easy, just get new imacs, don't need to get the highest spec's mid level would be fine.  Either the 8 core or 10 core and then maybe upgrade the RAM.

However, if you want to be cheap, you could try it first and if doesn't work return it, but you could technically get a 10 core Mac Mini with M4 chip, and use something like this https://astropad.com/blog/step-by-step-guide-how-to-use-your-imac-as-a-monitor/ to use your old imac monitors as a monitor for the Mac Mini.  The Mini with the M4 and upgraded RAM will be a huge upgrade from what is currently used, and only $600 per station.  Or even the mini with non apple monitors, but I'm a sucker for Apple monitors even though they are expensive and not super color accurate, they look good and lost long.

But again, if you want easy just get new iMacs.

The M5 chips just came out in the Macbook Pros, so could also do those if you wanted them more mobile, but iMacs are easy, Mac Minis are cheaper but isn't an all in one package.

What is the computers your IT people are suggesting?

Good luck!
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General Discussion and ??? / Re: Looking for a partner to develop AI print approval nd monitoring software
« Last post by blue moon on October 16, 2025, 12:56:49 PM »
Quote from: GraphicDisorder on October 16, 2025, 12:20:05 PM
Quote from: ebscreen on October 16, 2025, 12:07:13 PM
Not to be a debbie downer but I don't see this ever actually working well, and I also think it's kind of important to have human brains in the process.
My guess would be if they aren't using machine vision in the offset world already (which would be 1000 times easier to implement) than we won't ever see it in ours.
Like a lot of things.

^^^^ This.

Also keep in mind in general this industry is ULTRA slow to adopt anything. Think about how many are still on manual presses, still have flo bulb exposure and still wash screens in a kitchen sink. Its wild. More of those by far than modern shops.
This is not for everybody! There are two ppl already interested on some level. If we can get 3-4 to band together, we can make this work.
As far as making it happen, we dont pay until we have results. AI and machine learning has come a long way in the last couple of years and based on what I know, it SHOULD be possible.
Yes, the human brain will still be involved, they have to set up the press and will not be asking for approval unless its ready. This is a tool to back up a human rather than to take over. All our prints go to art for approval and almost all of them are good to go, but every now and then, something is not right. This tool would catch those issues with about 90% certainty. No tool is perfect, but it should help.
Pierre
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General Discussion and ??? / Re: Looking for a partner to develop AI print approval nd monitoring software
« Last post by Homer on October 16, 2025, 12:54:05 PM »
what about a tablet on press or end of the dryer? or even a webcam. have a stand alone platen with camera overhead, I know colors shift on screen but might close? We use webcams here for a few things, mostly inappropriate though.... Or a pneumatic conveyor like the bank teller, roll the shirt up, stuff it in the tube and send it!..... AI sounds neat and inspector gadgety and all, but sometimes multiple eyes on cannot be replaced.
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Computers and Software - General / Re: Mac upgrades
« Last post by bimmridder on October 16, 2025, 12:21:13 PM »
What I was give...iMacs, 3.6 GHz 8-Core Intel Core i9 and 4.2 GHz Quad Core Intel Core i7. Graphics-Radeon Pro Vega 48 8 GB. Memory 64 GB 2667 MHz DDR4, SSD. All of which means nothing to me.
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General Discussion and ??? / Re: Looking for a partner to develop AI print approval nd monitoring software
« Last post by GraphicDisorder on October 16, 2025, 12:20:05 PM »
Quote from: ebscreen on October 16, 2025, 12:07:13 PM
Not to be a debbie downer but I don't see this ever actually working well, and I also think it's kind of important to have human brains in the process.
My guess would be if they aren't using machine vision in the offset world already (which would be 1000 times easier to implement) than we won't ever see it in ours.
Like a lot of things.

^^^^ This.

Also keep in mind in general this industry is ULTRA slow to adopt anything. Think about how many are still on manual presses, still have flo bulb exposure and still wash screens in a kitchen sink. Its wild. More of those by far than modern shops.



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General Discussion and ??? / Re: Are we at the Mercy of Greed?
« Last post by GraphicDisorder on October 16, 2025, 12:15:09 PM »
I mean its free upgrade if you are already on Windows 10, so its not exactly a cash grab but it definitely is a disruption.

It took me like 5 trys to get Win 11 installed on my rig at the shop, which is a i9 with 128gb of ram and a 4080 and over 20tb of hard drive space and it just would not take for whatever reason. Finally got it to take Tuesday. Now other computers have went much easier but ya dumb over all.

I agree with EB on the ad's too, not a fan. Windows in general as you mentioned is getting worse and has for some time.
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Equipment / Re: Dual Heat Press
« Last post by ebscreen on October 16, 2025, 12:09:16 PM »
No experience and I bet they work great but unless it's basically impossible to run an air line I would stick with pneumatic.
Hydraulic machines are going to have a lot more moving parts to wear out/diagnose.
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General Discussion and ??? / Re: Looking for a partner to develop AI print approval nd monitoring software
« Last post by ebscreen on October 16, 2025, 12:07:13 PM »
Not to be a debbie downer but I don't see this ever actually working well, and I also think it's kind of important to have human brains in the process.
My guess would be if they aren't using machine vision in the offset world already (which would be 1000 times easier to implement) than we won't ever see it in ours.
Like a lot of things.
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General Discussion and ??? / Re: Are we at the Mercy of Greed?
« Last post by ebscreen on October 16, 2025, 12:00:41 PM »
Both. It's understandable that they will want to sell more product, and don't want to support every old piece of hardware under the sun at each version.

What is not understandable though is that each new version is laughably worse than the previous, and now includes increasingly more paid advertising
in the OS itself. We bought touchscreen AIO's for the presses that came with 11 installed and after five minutes of not being able to access driver settings
I promptly ripped that pile of garbage out and installed 10 which in itself is a compromise. Windows peaked at 2000.

Use Linux wherever possible.
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