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Offline tifferpoo

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So, I am definitely a "newbie", any help with these issues?
« on: November 04, 2011, 04:59:36 PM »
Yesterday I started making logos and websites for my new Screen Printing business. Hooray!!

I am a bartender, but I have been making t-shirts for a local band out of my garage and thought it was time to actually SELL something so my sister and I can support my nephew better, ha!
I have made 4 batches using 50/50 & full cotton and now I am devoted to full cotton.

My rig:

A manual 4 screen press with 1 work station and the opposite side is a stationary heating unit ( this was in storage for 15 years, I believe). The heating unit/curer no longer has a knob to indicate what temp it is set at. And I have an ironing board to stack shirts.
That is it!


A couple of issues:
1. My hydraulics aren't holding up the arm when screens are attached. So I am looking online for replacements.

2. When stacking shirts, some "ghost images" got absorbed by the other shirts.

3. My first batch shirts (the 50/50) had some issues. I found out that some washed out in the washer and dryer. I thought maybe it was too many swipes of the squeegee or that my heating times/temps are wrong.

Any ideas, guys and girls?
Any quick fixes to make this rig work better or more efficiently?

Thanks a million!


Offline Northland

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Re: So, I am definitely a "newbie", any help with these issues?
« Reply #1 on: November 04, 2011, 05:06:44 PM »
-- You can try  bungee cords to help hold up the screens (until you locate the lifters... I'm betting it's a BROWN press)
-- Let poly shirts cool completely before stacking. I'd steer clear of poly if you are using a Flash to cure shirts.
-- Test your cure by stretching the garment. You should be able to give it a good stretch without the ink cracking.

... best wishes to you.

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Re: So, I am definitely a "newbie", any help with these issues?
« Reply #2 on: November 04, 2011, 05:11:16 PM »
Howdy, welcome. Now, where to start... well, let's talk about curing the ink. It has to meet what the manufacturer specifies, most likely 300° to 325° for a minute or so. This can be difficult at best without a dryer, but a flash unit will do it, so I'm told, I've never not had a dryer. After you cure the ink, let it cool to room temperature, then stretch it somewhat left to right, if the ink cracks, it's not cured, and will come off in the wash, so it needs more heat. The thicker the deposit of ink, the more heat it needs to cure, and the thinner the deposit, the less heat. At any rate, if it's cracking when you test it, you need more heat. 50/50 and 100% cotton shouldn't make much difference, the ink needs enough heat to be fully cure all the way through. Did I mention curing the ink?

Steve

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Re: So, I am definitely a "newbie", any help with these issues?
« Reply #3 on: November 04, 2011, 05:13:42 PM »
Hello,

HA!  I see Sbrem is getting to this before I post.  LOL.  He will take care of you. We just had this discussion like last week.  Pretty common stuff.
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Re: So, I am definitely a "newbie", any help with these issues?
« Reply #4 on: November 04, 2011, 05:38:06 PM »
A few more notes, I have only done one color/ two sides yet.

I did just get a hand held flash blower thingy, in addition to the big block dryer/curer, but obviously do not know how to use the new handheld.
I learned everything from youtube, how would you teach a beginner best?

What was the easiest way to learn color separation and then lining them back up from screen to screen?

Can I go back and reheat the other shirts at this point or is it too far gone?
The ink i was given for the 50/50s is much thicker than for cotton, the cotton shirts did not wash out...

Oh, jeez... I am needy, haha- thank you again!

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Re: So, I am definitely a "newbie", any help with these issues?
« Reply #5 on: November 04, 2011, 06:11:22 PM »
Hi there.
Take the shocks of the press and take it to the closest Auto Zone od any Auto parts store. They should have something similar.
Videos, the biggest collection on Youtube is http://www.youtube.com/user/Ryonet  A lot of advertising, but also a lot of good stuff for newbs.
Flash blower thingy is not good, save money for a small conveyor (used can be found for around 1000).
As they said, pull the ink with thumbs about 1/2" apart, if it cracks it is not cured.
Let the shirts cool down a bit before you stack the, and have a healthy habit of using 100 % cotton instead of 50/50. No die migration and shirts do not get that hot.

Also, good luck and welcome

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Re: So, I am definitely a "newbie", any help with these issues?
« Reply #6 on: November 05, 2011, 10:55:44 AM »
Ditto what DK said about the auto parts store.  They have a pretty large selection.

Also about the dryer... may seem like a large investment but it's a good one.  I was doing the flash cure (block as you say) for final cure and quickly was getting frustrated.  Not to say my frustrations went away with the dryer but they are marginalized a bit.  You are able to concentrate on printing vs curing with a dryer.

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Re: So, I am definitely a "newbie", any help with these issues?
« Reply #7 on: November 05, 2011, 12:51:22 PM »
sorry to be off topic....but " Tifferpoo " ?

Sorry funny as hell!!!! ;D ;)

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Re: So, I am definitely a "newbie", any help with these issues?
« Reply #8 on: November 09, 2011, 07:13:32 PM »
So i took my gas springs to auto zone, it appears my springs are very short and they do not carry a replacement.

My originals are Suspa c16-06692, 6.6" extended, 4.6 compressed, 125 lbs

Does anyone know where to find some this small w/o paying $120 for the total set of four?

Until then, i tried to figure out where I would put bungee cords, i have no idea. Can anyone spell this out for me or post a picture of the setup?

Thanks~

Tifferpoo

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Re: So, I am definitely a "newbie", any help with these issues?
« Reply #9 on: November 09, 2011, 07:21:58 PM »
post pics of your press. Might help with others trying to give you ideas for jerry rigging to help with your issues.
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Re: So, I am definitely a "newbie", any help with these issues?
« Reply #10 on: November 09, 2011, 07:27:50 PM »
If it's an Atlas, you'll have to bite the bullet.

Otherwise, try: mcmastercarr.com