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Offline jsheridan

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Re: White on black 50/50's ~ Preferred method?
« Reply #15 on: March 24, 2016, 08:57:27 PM »
How much does that bucket weigh.. All the blockers I've used had mass amounts of carbon in them and really added to the total ink weight
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Re: White on black 50/50's ~ Preferred method?
« Reply #16 on: March 24, 2016, 09:00:20 PM »
I would also highly suggest Permaset Super Cover white. We use GG for cotton but go straight to Super Cover for blends. There is a reason behind the pricing.
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Re: White on black 50/50's ~ Preferred method?
« Reply #17 on: March 24, 2016, 09:19:04 PM »
Quote from: ZooCity on March 24, 2016, 06:18:39 PM
Matsui 301 Stretch

I should try the green galaxy again but last time my guys tested it they gave it the thumbs down.  Not enough opacity, seemed like it was more filler than killer, something along those lines.

Yea, the GG has almost no evaporation and is Extremely consistent in terms of opacity over the life of the run.... but is definitely lower in opacity.  Also has more of a hand than I want.

I found the matsui 301 stretch white to be reallly damn close to rutlands HSA white.  But I HAVE to add the retarder and softener to it to get close to that quality.

Oh, and it still evaporates over time, making it increase its opacity just like Rutlands did.
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Re: White on black 50/50's ~ Preferred method?
« Reply #18 on: March 24, 2016, 10:03:59 PM »
Yeah, the Stretch White was the closest replacement out of everything I tested.  Nothing on the market that I've tried beats the Rutland though, RIP. 

Always max retarder here for us.  The Rutland actually required more of an additive cocktail than the Matsui does so that's an improvement.

The GG sounds good if they could make it more opaque, it's nice to be able to print HSA with only one underbase.   I like the idea of the ink staying consistent over the run v. opacity changes as it evaporates and the subsequent need to re-hydrate and therefore drop opacity and so on.

Speaking of all this, anyone hear word about the Rutland replacement?
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Re: White on black 50/50's ~ Preferred method?
« Reply #19 on: March 25, 2016, 08:06:48 AM »
Not sure when the customer needs this order, so I probably won't have time to order any of these alternative inks.  Going to try to push them to plastisol
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Re: White on black 50/50's ~ Preferred method?
« Reply #20 on: March 25, 2016, 08:33:53 AM »
BTW HSA top coat over plastisol=adhesion and washfastness. Fail
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Re: White on black 50/50's ~ Preferred method?
« Reply #21 on: March 25, 2016, 10:15:10 AM »
Why would you print hsa over a plastisol base?

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Re: White on black 50/50's ~ Preferred method?
« Reply #22 on: March 25, 2016, 10:45:55 AM »
Indeed
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Offline jvanick

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Re: White on black 50/50's ~ Preferred method?
« Reply #23 on: March 25, 2016, 10:50:16 AM »
HSA top white over a 80/20 discharge base could work and feel really nice tho...
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Re: White on black 50/50's ~ Preferred method?
« Reply #24 on: March 25, 2016, 01:11:22 PM »
I meant complete plastisol, no HSA at all.
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